PhiloVance
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Maybe the preseason poll predictions were not that far off.
They weren’t. I thought they could out perform their preseason predictions going into the year. Then the team lost its best player the third quarter of the season.Maybe the preseason poll predictions were not that far off.
When fleck was hired the team was being protested on their way to practice and was a national embarrassment, the coaching search had nothing to do with on the field.Seriously - going into the season, there was a lot of hope/expectations that this team could at least approach 2019 - or maybe even top it in terms of rivalry games and a Division title.
Now, it appears that none of those goals will be achieved. Yes, they have a chance to beat WI - but that will require the team AND COACHES to have their best game of the year. Are they capable of that? I have my doubts.
If I had to bet my own money, I would say the Gophers beat Indiana, lose to WI and finish 7-5.
Go back to the start of the season - would anyone have said that 7-5 would not be a disappointment?
Yes, Mo got hurt - but the running game was the least of this team's issues.
Bottom line for me: when Fleck was hired, all we heard was that the team's level of success under Mason, Kill and Claeys wasn't good enough. 7 or 8 wins and making it to a mid-level bowl game wasn't good enough. and now, look where this team is going to finish.
Well if it is the chance for win #7, I would hope they have the sense to pull out all the stops in trying to win.For us to beat Wisconsin… they will have to roll over and try not to score. The Gopher coaches will play for a close game, remain conservative on play calling when they could break the game open (even if WI is shiiitin the bed) and then the Gophers will F up the close game because they’ll be beat by a coach w some kahunnas when it’s on the line.
We can hope, and what you describe would be ideal. I think that we could do pretty well with someone who was either a superior runner or a superior passer, and at least adequate in their non-superior skill. Still waiting for that person to emerge.My dream is to have the Gophers recruit a QB that can run and throw. A mobile QB can fix a lot of issues with plays that breakdown.
Happy belated! Thanks for your even-tempered posts and long fanhood!Got this from Mrs. Billd this evening...
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It's a very nice collection of articles and Gophers content for the team from 1881-1981. In very good condition with some great stuff. It may have been in hardcopy but this was a bound, magazine-style publication. It was published by the UM Athletic Department with the proceeds to the Williams Fund.
She was saving it for Christmas but decided it would make a better birthday gift today. She was right.
Certainly lifted my spirits. Anyone else recognize it from the day?
Totally agree that 7 wins isn't what I expected, nor is it up to general expectations. I pretty much guarantee Fleck would say the same. At this point, everyone has choices:Seriously - going into the season, there was a lot of hope/expectations that this team could at least approach 2019 - or maybe even top it in terms of rivalry games and a Division title.
Now, it appears that none of those goals will be achieved. Yes, they have a chance to beat WI - but that will require the team AND COACHES to have their best game of the year. Are they capable of that? I have my doubts.
If I had to bet my own money, I would say the Gophers beat Indiana, lose to WI and finish 7-5.
Go back to the start of the season - would anyone have said that 7-5 would not be a disappointment?
Yes, Mo got hurt - but the running game was the least of this team's issues.
Bottom line for me: when Fleck was hired, all we heard was that the team's level of success under Mason, Kill and Claeys wasn't good enough. 7 or 8 wins and making it to a mid-level bowl game wasn't good enough. and now, look where this team is going to finish.
What are you talking about? I never said that at all; not even close. What I am saying (and have always said btw) is that Minnesota fans (and the media) don't want to hear platitudes or catchy phrases when the teams they watch consistently fail to live up to those platitudes and catch phrases. That's all.Woah, are you saying what happens in the media means nothing? Then why does it upset you so much?
You don’t think catchy platitudes mean anything but they really annoy you. Got itWhat are you talking about? I never said that at all; not even close. What I am saying (and have always said btw) is that Minnesota fans (and the media) don't want to hear platitudes or catchy phrases when the teams they watch consistently fail to live up to those platitudes and catch phrases. That's all.
As to the rest of it, I'm not even sure what you're talking about.
It isn't about me, I just have an opinion. So I'll spell it out one more time and see if you get it this time: Minnesota fans and media don't want to hear it (in case you haven't noticed). If he wants to say those things to his team, fine. But don't trot it out to the fanbase because they've heard spin like this from Gopher football for decades. At this point, they don't care because it comes off as phony. That's my position and has been all along.You don’t think catchy platitudes mean anything but they really annoy you. Got it
They don’t care but the team should adjust their behavior to it because people don’t care. Got it.It isn't about me, I just have an opinion. So I'll spell it out one more time and see if you get it this time: Minnesota fans and media don't want to hear it (in case you haven't noticed). If he wants to say those things to his team, fine. But don't trot it out to the fanbase because they've heard spin like this from Gopher football for decades. At this point, they don't care because it comes off as phony. That's my position and has been all along.
I get it that all coaches spin things to the media and fans, but Minnesotans won't sign off. And trying to convince them otherwise after losing more than 90 percent of their games to rivals won't cut it.
Apparently, the point is too subtle for you to grasp. Got it.They don’t care but the team should adjust their behavior to it because people don’t care. Got it.
No. I get it.Apparently, the point is too subtle for you to grasp. Got it.
Let's not dismiss Indiana.Congrats to getting to 1,999 messages...
Hopefully this sentiment passes but understand if it doesn't.
Right now I'm living off PSU and Auburn...but certainly a W this year against Bucky no matter how ugly would go very far.
Personally, I think it's a Minnesota thing more than anything. Minnesota sports fans have been fed spin for decades without substance. And at times like these, Fleck just looks like more of the same. I love that he talks to his team that way. Gives them belief and I think for the most part, they buy in.No. I get it.
I just think people bothered by coaches phrases are really sad people.
You are spot on. The catch phrases don’t mean anything. Yet somehow dozens of people seem really annoyed by them
And my point is… Who cares if fans and media don’t buy in. It literally doesn’t matter, you said it yourselfPersonally, I think it's a Minnesota thing more than anything. Minnesota sports fans have been fed spin for decades without substance. And at times like these, Fleck just looks like more of the same. I love that he talks to his team that way. Gives them belief and I think for the most part, they buy in.
Fans and media? Not so much.
Trust me, if the fans and media don't buy in, there will be problems. Not so much the media, but if the fans start abandoning the ship, there will be big problems.And my point is… Who cares if fans and media don’t buy in. It literally doesn’t matter, you said it yourself
Thanks for the reminder.Let's not dismiss Indiana.
Trust me, if the fans and media don't buy in, there will be problems. Not so much the media, but if the fans start abandoning the ship, there will be big problems.
Agreed. That we now expect to beat everyone but IA and WI is a plus. ISounds like some of you have not been around long. I watched 3 seasons in a row with one BIG win.....at the dump. It has gotten much better since then.
Exactly. Win and folks will come. Bottom line. But slogans won't sell the public without wins to back it up.Winning is what brings fans in. The slogans have nothing to do with it negatively or positively.
Yeah. So why are you whining about slogans all the time?Exactly. Win and folks will come. Bottom line. But slogans won't sell the public without wins to back it up.
Jesus, you just don't get it. Sigh.Yeah. So why are you whining about slogans all the time?
Jesus, you’re still going to be upset by a coach using a slogan.Jesus, you just don't get it. Sigh.