More idiocy out of Maturi's office

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Whether you think Joel is doing a good job or bad job running our athletic department...or agree with his decisions regarding player suspensions (I personally agreed with the way he handled Trevor and RW last year) or the hiring of Coach Kill...it is hard not to be dismayed at the way the guy can make even good decisions a PR catastrophe.

Maturi's biggest problem and main reason why I want the guy gone is the stupid crap that pours out of his mouth and is leaked out of his office...oh yeah, and the millions wasted by extending Mason and Monson and then firing them less than a year later.
 

It's rather amazing how a guy managing million dollar employees can botch things this bad and still have a job.
 

It's rather amazing how a guy managing million dollar employees can botch things this bad and still have a job.

Then answer is simple. Joel is doing his job the way Bruininks wants him to do it. Who doubts that Maturi and Bruininks communicate at least once a week about important Athletics Department issues? I assume most posters in GopherHole have bosses. How often do you make important decisions that could have a negative impact on your business without first discussing them with your manager? Maturi does not run the U. He is an employee with several layers of managers above him. When he makes a decision that has the attention of the media it is alway a decision that has the approval of his superiors. That is the way the real world works.
 

In this situation, PR-wise, Maturi could have initially done some quick, initial research into the situation, figure out that it was a minor (albiet stupid) issue, tell everyone to relax, and then (God forbid) actually defend his player (i.e. give him the benefit of the doubt).

He could have easily said he doesn't expect anything negative to happen (suspension-wise) even if later facts uncover something more insidious behind the arrest (at which point he would be justified in punishing Trevor somehow).

Instead he puts everyone on the edge of their chairs with his press release that the U is aware of the situation (no details given) and is going to investigate further. Bad PR.
 

Then answer is simple. Joel is doing his job the way Bruininks wants him to do it. Who doubts that Maturi and Bruininks communicate at least once a week about important Athletics Department issues? I assume most posters in GopherHole have bosses. How often do you make important decisions that could have a negative impact on your business without first discussing them with your manager? Maturi does not run the U. He is an employee with several layers of managers above him. When he makes a decision that has the attention of the media it is alway a decision that has the approval of his superiors. That is the way the real world works.

I don't doubt that Maturi deals with far more political BS then we realize. But so does every AD at a major university. To excuse everything he does with 'well he has a boss, it's not his fault' is a total cop-out. The bottom-line is the aspects of his job he is good at are severely out-weighed by those he does poorly and the imbalance has gotten worse over time.
 


In this situation, PR-wise, Maturi could have initially done some quick, initial research into the situation, figure out that it was a minor (albeit stupid) issue, tell everyone to relax, and then (God forbid) actually defend his player (i.e. give him the benefit of the doubt).

He could have easily said he doesn't expect anything negative to happen (suspension-wise) even if later facts uncover something more insidious behind the arrest (at which point he would be justified in punishing Trevor somehow).

Instead he puts everyone on the edge of their chairs with his press release that the U is aware of the situation (no details given) and is going to investigate further. Bad PR.

I agree with this. At most schools, you can assume the AD will defend the program and player and punish them if/when the facts warrant. Here, anytime something bad happens, we have to immediately assume the worst. The thought that the Athletic Department's first instinct will be to have the kid's back is almost laughable.
 

In this situation, PR-wise, Maturi could have initially done some quick, initial research into the situation, figure out that it was a minor (albeit stupid) issue, tell everyone to relax, and then (God forbid) actually defend his player (i.e. give him the benefit of the doubt).

He could have easily said he doesn't expect anything negative to happen (suspension-wise) even if later facts uncover something more insidious behind the arrest (at which point he would be justified in punishing Trevor somehow).

Instead he puts everyone on the edge of their chairs with his press release that the U is aware of the situation (no details given) and is going to investigate further. Bad PR.


And yet another asinine comment.
 


per howeda7...The thought that the Athletic Department's first instinct will be to have the kid's back is almost laughable.

I agree 100%. It seems Joel never takes the athelets side of the issue.

per UpnorthGo4.....How often do you make important decisions that could have a negative impact on your business without first discussing them with your manager?...When he makes a decision that has the attention of the media it is alway a decision that has the approval of his superiors.

There in may lay the real problem. We have an AD that can't make any decisions without looking over his shoulder. I do think this is how Joel sees his role. "What does my boss want me to do?" A strong AD would not and should not have to ask that question. A good and strong AD would do what is right and live with the consequences. I have no doubt because of Joel’s past SCREW UPS he is on a very short leash and really does have to ask his manager every time he makes a decision regarding the revenue sports.
 




I am on record as saying Joel is over matched in every facet of his job. What will it take for him to resign?

I loved the football game last night when Gene Chisick (coach of Auburn and excuse the spelling) praised his Administration and his AD for creating a winning environment at Auburn , He credited the AD and the players for the victory. Tubby Smith is having moderate success in spite of Joel Maturi and the weak Presidents office. Tubby's name is the only thing keeping this program alive.
 

And yet another asinine comment.

How is that asinine? Do you understand PR at all? This whole situation was handled rather disastrously from a PR standpoint. They could use a good communications person over at Bierman.
 

"Instead he puts everyone on the edge of their chairs with his press release that the U is aware of the situation (no details given) and is going to investigate further. Bad PR."

I guess I don't understand what's bad about 'we're aware of the situation and are investigating further.'

What would you have preferred?
 



"Instead he puts everyone on the edge of their chairs with his press release that the U is aware of the situation (no details given) and is going to investigate further. Bad PR."

I guess I don't understand what's bad about 'we're aware of the situation and are investigating further.'

What would you have preferred?

I'm with Air Force Dude on this one.

Maybe I missed the direct quotes from Maturi where he kept changing his mind, etc. Or maybe they don't exist and the characterization of Maturi's actions is from unnamed, biased sources......please correct me if direct evidence exists.
 

No need for that first press release to go out. We know they know what's going on, why put out some non-committal press release that sounds more ominous than anything? Stokes tensions. You might call the sources biased and unknown, but what if they were right? What if there was some internal back and forth about whether to suspend him or not.
 

No need for that first press release to go out.

You'd rather they didn't acknowledge the situation at all??

We know they know what's going on, why put out some non-committal press release that sounds more ominous than anything? Stokes tensions.

Once you knew about the situation, if you were inclined to have tensions, you'd have them, non-committal press release or not, wouldn't you?

You might call the sources biased and unknown, but what if they were right? What if there was some internal back and forth about whether to suspend him or not.

What if they were wrong?

Give me some direct, on-the-record, corroborated evidence, then I'll believe it.
 

Give me some direct, on-the-record, corroborated evidence, then I'll believe it.

That's not the way it works. Sorry I don't have the on-the-record, corroborated evidence you demand in order to substantiate the fact that the Athletic department handled this poorly. Pretty bull-headed way of arguing a point.
 

God, where to start with some of the idiocy?

Mbakwe is arrested well into the evening. Doogie is all over himself breathlessly posting "Troubling news acomin" so people will watch whatever channel he's shilling for at 10:00. The charge is violating a restraining order; and this is a guy who has already faced an assault charge in Florida that didn't end exactly in a clear-cut way. The feeding frenzy and panic has already started in the media and here. What in the hell is Maturi supposed to do at that moment? "No comment" when a reporter calls would really solve the problem. Or, "Trevor is a Gopher so I know for sure that he could possibly do no wrong and we continue to be proud of him"? Yep, nothing could go wrong with that. I don't know all of the legal issues with a restraining order, but I'm pretty sure a judge looks it over and it's issued because there's some possibility of violence. But Maturi is supposed to ignore that and support Trevor because he's a Gopher? And also a hell of basketball player. I doubt the outrage would be 10% here if we were talking about Dawson.

Then GL comes on and gives the story she got from what I assume is Trevor's present girlfriend. It seems like the account was accurate but it was also self-serving. Maturi can't just simply act on that. He's got to find out the complete story. That involves talking to police, attorneys, probably someone in Florida, coaches, a dean or two, etc. Might not be as simple as, "Oh, well, she's got to be crazy. Why can't that damn Maturi stop dithering?"

Then yesterday GopherLady comes out with, "There's a suspension acomin," and people go ape*&^!#*&^!#*&^!#*&^!# again before they know all of the facts and even though it's nothing more than an internet rumor despite what Nadine says. Maturi has said nothing more and people are actually stupid enough to get mad at him for keeping them "on the edge of their seats" and causing "tension" in their lives. Sort of like a fat guy who loves doughnuts bitching about the baker who makes them.

Then Nadine does something pretty untypical of her because it's unfair by suggesting Maturi changed his mind because of the pressure. Not one bit of evidence to back that up except for trust in some source. People fall all over themselves again because that for sure proves again how incompetent Maturi is.

I'm more of a Maturi apologist than I ever intend to be but the knee-jerk reaction to him around here borders on ridiculous. I'll bet over half of the people constantly criticizing him live in places where movie posters are the main touch of class, but they're convinced they know everything. Fact is, we don't know everything. I backed Maturi all the way then for how he handled Trevor's case in Florida. Now we find out there was a restraining order back here? Nothing leaked, he took the heat here, but it makes people running their mouths back then look even more immature.

I love how it's all Maturi's fault in some people's eyes. What about Tubby's judgement or Tubby's rolling the dice with White and Mbakwe? Don't you think after Florida, Trevor heard several, "Okay, that's resolved but you've got to be careful from now on," lectures? The he violates a restraining order? Stupid, no matter what the intentions. Then, yesterday, do you suppose he heard, "We're not suspending you, but you have to realize you have to be more careful because of your history," speech? Then he's dumb enough to start in again the same day? Maturi might be more inclined to be pissed instead of worrying about supporting Gopher athletes whose actions don't merit much support.
 

In this incident, the press release wasn't the problem...it was the highly placed leak to the press that Gopher Lady reported which had the AD considering suspension because he was getting a lot of heat.

Maturi has no control over his people...that's why they brought someone in to manage the football hire...because he knew his office was full of leaks.

A bigger issue for me is I can't remember a single time that he has issued a press release in which he supported a player who made a mistake. Yes, the AD's job is to pass down punishment at times...but it is also to support our student athletes at all times...where are those press releases.

Go back to the Auburn Coach quote...he was talking about how the AD never waivered on their support of Newwton. They investigated and worked with the NCAA...but the coach and player knew that the AD was fighting for them...the school Pres was fighting for them...not against.

Like I said in my original post on this thread...I thought RW and Trevor were handled appropriately last year regarding thier suspensions...I thought the way it was all communicated and fed to the press, students and student athletes was horrible and showed every athlete in our system that their well being is a far second to the image of the U.
 

Trust and expectations

To me it is fairly simple.

A lot of us don't particularly trust Joel Maturi. His past performance shows he is often susceptible to media pressure. And he has a history of dithering.

An example, if you feel you need one, from the semi-distant past and early in his tenure, is the year before Glen Mason was fired, when the team went into the Music City Bowl not knowing if Maso or if any of the coaches would be back (that was the game against Virginia). There are quite a few other examples I think. How much of the "dithering" issue is his fault vs. the leaks in his office/staff is of course open to question, but Joel really does not come across as decisive. And he has quite a few problems within his staff, which seemed to necessitate the extreme secrecy in the latest football coach hiring process. Even that (imho quite well done) came across as indecisive and dithering (the plane trip to San Diego.....)

So our expectations of him are colored. In many ways, the tenure of an athletic director in these last two decades is somewhat short because they have so much to deal with, burn so many bridges, and develop so many enemies over the course of time. You don't get a lot of credit when your university's teams are winning, but you sure get blamed when the teams do badly or the players screw up. In the days I grew up (the '60's) it seemed you had longer-tenured and more powerful ahtletic directors. Think Paul Giel. These days they are much more like athletic program and budgetary managers.

That being said, Joel often comes across as his own worst enemy. Agonizing over decisions is all very well. In private. But he is a walking public relations nightmare when he goes through his Hamlet scenarios. And the act has had several years now to wear very very thin. Both with the Twin Cities media and especially with us as the Gopher fan base. All in all imho he has done okay, on balance, especially given the missions Bruininks gave him to accomplish (i'm thinking budgetary here). But I very very much wish to see him go into retirement....

Obviously,a s stated on this Board quite eloquently, the best thing to have done in Trevor's case would have been a short, terse statement that the -U- was loooking into the player's situation and would have a statement later, perhaps in a day or so, once investigation was completed....

Instead we had the usual media circus, mistrust, and fodder for all the drama kings and queens......

Meh:mad:
 

A bigger issue for me is I can't remember a single time that he has issued a press release in which he supported a player who made a mistake. Yes, the AD's job is to pass down punishment at times...but it is also to support our student athletes at all times...where are those press releases.

Go back to the Auburn Coach quote...he was talking about how the AD never waivered on their support of Newwton. They investigated and worked with the NCAA...but the coach and player knew that the AD was fighting for them...the school Pres was fighting for them...not against.

The A.D.'s actions should reflect well on the University and on the athletic program, as should the actions of the athletes. The coach should recruit individuals who not only can play but who also reflect the values of the what the University stand for. While there is a presumption of innocence, how can one fairly comment without knowing facts? The press statements were reasonable.

As for Cam Newton, I watched the national championship game when Stanford played. Newton went from school to school getting uncounted thousands of dollars and ended up at a school that sold its reputation for a good football season. Newton, like Trevor are praised because of physical skills and we then go on to endow them with character and rationalize their conduct blaming everyone around them.

Trevor is on track to be the next successful NBA self indulging, narscistic twittering roundballer who will get an occasional appearance on ESPN's Top Ten plays of the week. When things are going his way, he gives every indication of being an engaging appealing individual. Character, as they say, starts when no one is watching. We shall see.
 

Thank you Mulligan. Without any doubt in my mind, that is the most spot-on post I've ever seen on GopherHole.
 

The A.D.'s actions should reflect well on the University and on the athletic program, as should the actions of the athletes. The coach should recruit individuals who not only can play but who also reflect the values of the what the University stand for. While there is a presumption of innocence, how can one fairly comment without knowing facts? The press statements were reasonable.

As for Cam Newton, I watched the national championship game when Stanford played. Newton went from school to school getting uncounted thousands of dollars and ended up at a school that sold its reputation for a good football season. Newton, like Trevor are praised because of physical skills and we then go on to endow them with character and rationalize their conduct blaming everyone around them.

Trevor is on track to be the next successful NBA self indulging, narscistic twittering roundballer who will get an occasional appearance on ESPN's Top Ten plays of the week. When things are going his way, he gives every indication of being an engaging appealing individual. Character, as they say, starts when no one is watching. We shall see.

+1
 

To me it is fairly simple.

A lot of us don't particularly trust Joel Maturi. His past performance shows he is often susceptible to media pressure. And he has a history of dithering.

An example, if you feel you need one, from the semi-distant past and early in his tenure, is the year before Glen Mason was fired, when the team went into the Music City Bowl not knowing if Maso or if any of the coaches would be back (that was the game against Virginia). There are quite a few other examples I think. How much of the "dithering" issue is his fault vs. the leaks in his office/staff is of course open to question, but Joel really does not come across as decisive. And he has quite a few problems within his staff, which seemed to necessitate the extreme secrecy in the latest football coach hiring process. Even that (imho quite well done) came across as indecisive and dithering (the plane trip to San Diego.....)

So our expectations of him are colored. In many ways, the tenure of an athletic director in these last two decades is somewhat short because they have so much to deal with, burn so many bridges, and develop so many enemies over the course of time. You don't get a lot of credit when your university's teams are winning, but you sure get blamed when the teams do badly or the players screw up. In the days I grew up (the '60's) it seemed you had longer-tenured and more powerful ahtletic directors. Think Paul Giel. These days they are much more like athletic program and budgetary managers.

That being said, Joel often comes across as his own worst enemy. Agonizing over decisions is all very well. In private. But he is a walking public relations nightmare when he goes through his Hamlet scenarios. And the act has had several years now to wear very very thin. Both with the Twin Cities media and especially with us as the Gopher fan base. All in all imho he has done okay, on balance, especially given the missions Bruininks gave him to accomplish (i'm thinking budgetary here). But I very very much wish to see him go into retirement....

Obviously,a s stated on this Board quite eloquently, the best thing to have done in Trevor's case would have been a short, terse statement that the -U- was loooking into the player's situation and would have a statement later, perhaps in a day or so, once investigation was completed....

Instead we had the usual media circus, mistrust, and fodder for all the drama kings and queens......

Meh:mad:

This. Was there over-reaction in this case by many people here, myself included? Yes. But there is a reason people immediately assume the worst. And Nadine may not be the most unbiased source on this story, but that doesn't mean her source was lying about Maturi's 'leaning' and 'feeling pressure.'
 

God, where to start with some of the idiocy?

Mbakwe is arrested well into the evening. Doogie is all over himself breathlessly posting "Troubling news acomin" so people will watch whatever channel he's shilling for at 10:00. The charge is violating a restraining order; and this is a guy who has already faced an assault charge in Florida that didn't end exactly in a clear-cut way. The feeding frenzy and panic has already started in the media and here. What in the hell is Maturi supposed to do at that moment? "No comment" when a reporter calls would really solve the problem. Or, "Trevor is a Gopher so I know for sure that he could possibly do no wrong and we continue to be proud of him"? Yep, nothing could go wrong with that. I don't know all of the legal issues with a restraining order, but I'm pretty sure a judge looks it over and it's issued because there's some possibility of violence. But Maturi is supposed to ignore that and support Trevor because he's a Gopher? And also a hell of basketball player. I doubt the outrage would be 10% here if we were talking about Dawson.

Then GL comes on and gives the story she got from what I assume is Trevor's present girlfriend. It seems like the account was accurate but it was also self-serving. Maturi can't just simply act on that. He's got to find out the complete story. That involves talking to police, attorneys, probably someone in Florida, coaches, a dean or two, etc. Might not be as simple as, "Oh, well, she's got to be crazy. Why can't that damn Maturi stop dithering?"

Then yesterday GopherLady comes out with, "There's a suspension acomin," and people go ape*&^!#*&^!#*&^!#*&^!# again before they know all of the facts and even though it's nothing more than an internet rumor despite what Nadine says. Maturi has said nothing more and people are actually stupid enough to get mad at him for keeping them "on the edge of their seats" and causing "tension" in their lives. Sort of like a fat guy who loves doughnuts bitching about the baker who makes them.

Then Nadine does something pretty untypical of her because it's unfair by suggesting Maturi changed his mind because of the pressure. Not one bit of evidence to back that up except for trust in some source. People fall all over themselves again because that for sure proves again how incompetent Maturi is.

I'm more of a Maturi apologist than I ever intend to be but the knee-jerk reaction to him around here borders on ridiculous. I'll bet over half of the people constantly criticizing him live in places where movie posters are the main touch of class, but they're convinced they know everything. Fact is, we don't know everything. I backed Maturi all the way then for how he handled Trevor's case in Florida. Now we find out there was a restraining order back here? Nothing leaked, he took the heat here, but it makes people running their mouths back then look even more immature.

I love how it's all Maturi's fault in some people's eyes. What about Tubby's judgement or Tubby's rolling the dice with White and Mbakwe? Don't you think after Florida, Trevor heard several, "Okay, that's resolved but you've got to be careful from now on," lectures? The he violates a restraining order? Stupid, no matter what the intentions. Then, yesterday, do you suppose he heard, "We're not suspending you, but you have to realize you have to be more careful because of your history," speech? Then he's dumb enough to start in again the same day? Maturi might be more inclined to be pissed instead of worrying about supporting Gopher athletes whose actions don't merit much support.


Summarized nicely.
(And, now the anti-AD crowd will again explain how you are wrong and it's just that the AD is an idiot . . .)
 

Thank you Mulligan, I couldn't agree more.

That's not the way it works. Sorry I don't have the on-the-record, corroborated evidence you demand in order to substantiate the fact that the Athletic department handled this poorly. Pretty bull-headed way of arguing a point.

Ya mean "facts" right? It's bull-headed to ask for facts? You are basing your opinion of the way Maturi handled this from a bunch of media circus rumors and an unnamed, biased source.

In this incident, the press release wasn't the problem...it was the highly placed leak to the press that Gopher Lady reported which had the AD considering suspension because he was getting a lot of heat.

The "leak" to GL was via TM's girlfriend, via TM. "Highly placed?" Give me a break.

Obviously,a s stated on this Board quite eloquently, the best thing to have done in Trevor's case would have been a short, terse statement that the -U- was loooking into the player's situation and would have a statement later, perhaps in a day or so, once investigation was completed....

Please show me evidence that this isn't exactly what Maturi did.
 

God, where to start with some of the idiocy?

Mbakwe is arrested well into the evening. Doogie is all over himself breathlessly posting "Troubling news acomin" so people will watch whatever channel he's shilling for at 10:00. The charge is violating a restraining order; and this is a guy who has already faced an assault charge in Florida that didn't end exactly in a clear-cut way. The feeding frenzy and panic has already started in the media and here. What in the hell is Maturi supposed to do at that moment? "No comment" when a reporter calls would really solve the problem. Or, "Trevor is a Gopher so I know for sure that he could possibly do no wrong and we continue to be proud of him"? Yep, nothing could go wrong with that. I don't know all of the legal issues with a restraining order, but I'm pretty sure a judge looks it over and it's issued because there's some possibility of violence. But Maturi is supposed to ignore that and support Trevor because he's a Gopher? And also a hell of basketball player. I doubt the outrage would be 10% here if we were talking about Dawson.

Then GL comes on and gives the story she got from what I assume is Trevor's present girlfriend. It seems like the account was accurate but it was also self-serving. Maturi can't just simply act on that. He's got to find out the complete story. That involves talking to police, attorneys, probably someone in Florida, coaches, a dean or two, etc. Might not be as simple as, "Oh, well, she's got to be crazy. Why can't that damn Maturi stop dithering?"

Then yesterday GopherLady comes out with, "There's a suspension acomin," and people go ape*&^!#*&^!#*&^!#*&^!# again before they know all of the facts and even though it's nothing more than an internet rumor despite what Nadine says. Maturi has said nothing more and people are actually stupid enough to get mad at him for keeping them "on the edge of their seats" and causing "tension" in their lives. Sort of like a fat guy who loves doughnuts bitching about the baker who makes them.

Then Nadine does something pretty untypical of her because it's unfair by suggesting Maturi changed his mind because of the pressure. Not one bit of evidence to back that up except for trust in some source. People fall all over themselves again because that for sure proves again how incompetent Maturi is.

I'm more of a Maturi apologist than I ever intend to be but the knee-jerk reaction to him around here borders on ridiculous. I'll bet over half of the people constantly criticizing him live in places where movie posters are the main touch of class, but they're convinced they know everything. Fact is, we don't know everything. I backed Maturi all the way then for how he handled Trevor's case in Florida. Now we find out there was a restraining order back here? Nothing leaked, he took the heat here, but it makes people running their mouths back then look even more immature.

I love how it's all Maturi's fault in some people's eyes. What about Tubby's judgement or Tubby's rolling the dice with White and Mbakwe? Don't you think after Florida, Trevor heard several, "Okay, that's resolved but you've got to be careful from now on," lectures? The he violates a restraining order? Stupid, no matter what the intentions. Then, yesterday, do you suppose he heard, "We're not suspending you, but you have to realize you have to be more careful because of your history," speech? Then he's dumb enough to start in again the same day? Maturi might be more inclined to be pissed instead of worrying about supporting Gopher athletes whose actions don't merit much support.

+ a lot
 

What are you basing that assumption on? Nadine also didn't exactly say there was definitely a suspension coming.

Then GL comes on and gives the story she got from what I assume is Trevor's present girlfriend.

Then yesterday GopherLady comes out with, "There's a suspension acomin," and people go ape*&^!#*&^!#*&^!#*&^!# again before they know all of the facts and even though it's nothing more than an internet rumor despite what Nadine says.

Then Nadine does something pretty untypical of her because it's unfair by suggesting Maturi changed his mind because of the pressure. Not one bit of evidence to back that up except for trust in some source. People fall all over themselves again because that for sure proves again how incompetent Maturi is.
 

Why? He's making assumptions about her source and makes it sound as if she said it was definitely decided that Trevor was going to be suspended. She basically said that her source said Maturi was leaning toward suspending Trevor. Maybe he was. We don't know. Also, what exactly was self-serving about whatever the source said? Didn't the source just basically say that Trevor heard his ex was going through a rough time and he sent her a nice facebook message. The facebook message was eventually released and that seems fairly accurate. What exactly was self-serving?

Thank you Mulligan. Without any doubt in my mind, that is the most spot-on post I've ever seen on GopherHole.
 

What are you basing that assumption on? Nadine also didn't exactly say there was definitely a suspension coming.

"Breaking News - It looks like Trevor Mbakwe will be suspended"

What did you think when you read that?
 




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