Minnesota Meltdown

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Becky Vadger said:
To see us lose like this after playing so well for much of the game has just ripped my heart out.
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Yeah, I've felt that exact same way many times over the past two seasons. Including tonight. These guys just can't seem to put it all together, but they give you plenty of reasons to hang on and keep faith that they can turn the corner. Seems like it's just not meant to be this year.
 

Will any of these guys learn from games like this? I don't see much to get excited about for the future. Maybe Dre Hollins and Coleman. Austin Hollins I can't figure out if we can ever count on him.
 

If we played like we did the first half tonight, we can win out.
 

JimmyJamesMD said:
All of Tubby's Gopher teams play scared down the stretch. I think Tubby gives players the fear of failure.
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+1
Let them play with some confidence. Make plays, shoot the open shot. You wait until late in the clock against Michigan State and theri defense only gets tougher, you likely won't score. We didn't.
 

Yep - MSU always can kick it up a notch. They have an end of game gear they access and no stall is going going to avoid this, and Tubby should know this by now. I thought Rodney, Ralph and EE did a good job on Green and Nix. Our defense was good, but you can't hope the game will end early.
 


Moonlight said:
Yep - MSU always can kick it up a notch. They have an end of game gear they access and no stall is going going to avoid this, and Tubby should know this by now. I thought Rodney, Ralph and EE did a good job on Green and Nix. Our defense was good, but you can't hope the game will end early.
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I have to say, much of their end-of-game gear is effort, poise, savvy and smarts. They know that a team like the Gophers is going to start to tighten up, and they smell blood in the water. They know there will be a bunch of dribbling, so they double and trap the ball handler and sneak up from behind him. They know there won't be any aggressive moves to the basket, so they play for the steal on perimeter passes. If the Gophers could have matched them on effort, poise, savvy and smarts down the stretch, we'd be talking about a different outcome.

At this point in the season, MSU is fine tuning and perfecting the knack of winning. The Gophs are still trying to learn the rudiments of the offense and defense.
 

On a more positive note, don't you think Tubby looks a bit more sophisticated in a bow tie?
 

JimmyJamesMD said:
I know this team is young, but its gotta be one of the dumbest division 1 teams I've ever scene.
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Some of the best irony is when someone calls someone else dumb/stupid/idiotic while failing to correctly spell the most elementary words, like "seen".
 

920/414 Gopher said:
I know Ralph had 4 fouls, but I expected to see him back in there at the 4 minute mark or so. What took him so long to get back into the game?
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That was my biggest beef with the coaching in this game. The players executed terribly in the last few minutes; but there was no excuse not to have Ralph on the floor as much as possible at the end of his one shining game all season long. Perhaps Tubby thought the game was going to OT??
 



JimmyJamesMD said:
Does Tubby have secondary options on set plays? The way players on this team force passes makes me question that.
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Who forces passes on this team? Welch does. But he's also the team's best overall scorer. You get the very bad with the good, and that was on full display at the end of the game, going from a clutch deuce to consecutive terrible turnovers.
 

CrocShots said:
I guess he coached to have the players pass around the perimeter, instead of drive to the hoop 1 on 1 like it was set up, I guess.
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Seeing as Tubby's teams everywhere haev been famous for pasing around the perimeter until the shot clock is about to expire, then forcing a one on one move, then you have to wonder if that IS what he coaches. At some point you have to ask WHY his teams can't execute an offense.
 

sonnygarcia said:
It's NOT Tubby's fault though! He had a great offense implemented the players just F'd it up! Extend him now!!
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Not giving tubby a pass because there were plenty of places he could have done better but I am sure he did not tell them to just lob up a 3 the first chance you get at the end of the game when there were 20 seconds left. I am also pretty sure he did not tell them to dribble into traps and double teams at the end of the game. Not saying he deserves an extension either.
 




Whathavewedone said:
Seeing as Tubby's teams everywhere haev been famous for pasing around the perimeter until the shot clock is about to expire, then forcing a one on one move, then you have to wonder if that IS what he coaches. At some point you have to ask WHY his teams can't execute an offense.
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Tubby tried to hard to shortening the game and sucked any tempo/confidence the team had going for the first 30 minutes of the game. The last four minutes they should have been looking for Ralph inside and not killing clock dribbling and passing 25 feet from the basket. Izzo knew once his players stop committing stupid fouls the Gophers wouldn't be able to score.
 

CentralGopher said:
Not giving tubby a pass because there were plenty of places he could have done better but I am sure he did not tell them to just lob up a 3 the first chance you get at the end of the game when there were 20 seconds left. I am also pretty sure he did not tell them to dribble into traps and double teams at the end of the game. Not saying he deserves an extension either.
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can't give Tubby a pass- part of coaching is putting your players in positions to succeed. I don't think having Andre Ingram help bring the ball up against the press is doing that. But then Julian Welch should realize him dribbling against pressure for 25 feet > Andre Ingram with no pressure for 15ft. Two brutal turnovers in two possessions for Ingram and then he took a nice charge. Two steps backwards, one step forwards.
 

The way I see it Tubby should not have Rodney in the game at crunch time when you need a basket(s). Rodney is afraid to shoot for fear of missing. This makes defense easy by allowing the opposition to concentrate five defenders on the remaining four players. It was obvious Izzo had that figured out last night. Don't know whether Rodney is afraid to shoot because he may miss or whether Tubby will chew his butt if he misses. I wasn't paying close attention, but I think MSU's 14-1 run began when Rodney re-entered the game. I too was dumbfounded that Ralph did not return to the game until the one minute mark.
 

Totally agree on Ingram. He is in there to be physical. He should be the last guy touching the ball unless he is getting an offensive rebound. Welch had a nice 8ass to 4 to game, unfortunately those to's came late when a quicker defender bothered him.

Anyone find it odd that tubby had Welch guard Appling, the quickest player for Michigan St? I would put Austin on him and put Welch on the stand still 3pt shooter Thorton, but what do I know?

Can we expect Mo to be a better player than Nix? Similar body types. Mo might have an edge with an outside shot?
 

Minnesconsin fan said:
can't give Tubby a pass- part of coaching is putting your players in positions to succeed. I don't think having Andre Ingram help bring the ball up against the press is doing that. But then Julian Welch should realize him dribbling against pressure for 25 feet > Andre Ingram with no pressure for 15ft. Two brutal turnovers in two possessions for Ingram and then he took a nice charge. Two steps backwards, one step forwards.
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Totally agree on that one. Just another example of the many stupid mistakes made by the gophers last night. They need to play smarter. Ingram should not have gotten the ball. Good coaching would have the other gaurds come back to help. A dumb mistake at a critical time.
 

They were playing to not lose. It is absolutely horrible to watch and I put the blame on Tubby. Up 6 with around 4:00 and we start playing a passive, time killing offense as to drain 30-25 off each possession is going to help. In reality it hyped up MSU defense and after to failure to have any type of shot - 2 TOs the lead was cut to 2 points. I saw Tubby holding his arms straight out as to calling a play designed to stall. Ralph Sampson had the best quote, saying when they had a lead like that they just wanted it to be over. This is completely asinine, and if this is the case, the culture Tubby is teaching is completely bogus. Not to mention he is a confidence killer. Now back to the game, and down two after a full timeout they draw up nothing??? Or am I wrong and their play was a welch drive and dish to a deep three by Hollins that was an airball? That was the only shot they had in the last 4 minutes. An airball. Also, when you are in the double bonus, I don't care if it's Justin Bieber driving to the hole, YOU GO TO THE BASKET! I'm so sick of this soft perimeter passing BS that does absolutely nothing. 10 fouls, get hacked, and knock down 2, simple as that. I almost started a Flip Saunders Clap Clap Clap clap clap clap, chant but I didn't.
 

MNGreatest said:
They were playing to not lose. It is absolutely horrible to watch and I put the blame on Tubby. Up 6 with around 4:00 and we start playing a passive, time killing offense as to drain 30-25 off each possession is going to help. In reality it hyped up MSU defense and after to failure to have any type of shot - 2 TOs the lead was cut to 2 points. I saw Tubby holding his arms straight out as to calling a play designed to stall. Ralph Sampson had the best quote, saying when they had a lead like that they just wanted it to be over. This is completely asinine, and if this is the case, the culture Tubby is teaching is completely bogus. Not to mention he is a confidence killer. Now back to the game, and down two after a full timeout they draw up nothing??? Or am I wrong and their play was a welch drive and dish to a deep three by Hollins that was an airball? That was the only shot they had in the last 4 minutes. An airball. Also, when you are in the double bonus, I don't care if it's Justin Bieber driving to the hole, YOU GO TO THE BASKET! I'm so sick of this soft perimeter passing BS that does absolutely nothing. 10 fouls, get hacked, and knock down 2, simple as that. I almost started a Flip Saunders Clap Clap Clap clap clap clap, chant but I didn't.
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with about 6:00 to go, Coleman was being guarded by Thorton.. i have no idea why we didnt run an iso for him.. he was 1-6 from the floor at the time, but he's a clutch FT shooter.. then after a time out around the 3:00 mark, it looked like we were finally looking for coleman.. but Izzo probably knew he had dodged one.. and had Thorton riding pine... so the mismatch was gone. a key stretch..
 


And the year before, 2010' up by 10 with just minutes to go against MS and then collapsed. No pattern evident of course, same coach but the coach is just a coincidence... Next year .......
 

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