Minnesota High School Football Section Championship Matchups

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When Dave Nelson comes back...

jk - they had success in the past 10-15 years. They just lost the consistency.

What are the 5 best HS football coaching jobs in Minnesota? My thoughts (in no particular order)

Lakeville South
Lakeville North
St. Michael Albertville
Wayzata
Eden Prairie
I would agree with those 3

I would put many others on top of Lakeville north and south.
Including prior lake, Farmington, shakopee, Minnetonka, chaska, Chanhassen, St Thomas academy, etc

Schools that have one high school in district are better jobs politically than districts with multiple high schools
Schools that can win state titles at 5a are better jobs than okay schools who play the 6a gauntlet.
 

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When Dave Nelson comes back...

jk - they had success in the past 10-15 years. They just lost the consistency.

What are the 5 best HS football coaching jobs in Minnesota? My thoughts (in no particular order)

Lakeville South
Lakeville North
St. Michael Albertville
Wayzata
Eden Prairie
I would put Maple Grove in and drop Lakeville North. They are down talent and encompass older parts of town.
 


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EP not very good this year.
Nor is anyone else in 6a IMO

Not a team in the state that would’ve been top 8 in 2019 or 2020
There can be huge swings in talent at the High School level. One class can carry a team for one year.
 

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So far on Friday-
9-Man: Fertile-Beltrami beats Hills-Beaver Creek 30-22.
Fertile-Beltrami will play LeRoy-Ostrander in the Prep Bowl

2A: West Central Area beat Maple River 8-7. Margin of victory was a safety in the 3rd qtr. WCA was driving and threw an interception. Maple River started drive after the INT on their own 3 yd-line, and got tackled in the end zone for a safety.
WCA-Ashby will face Chatfield in the Prep Bowl.
Go Knights!
 


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What are the 5 best HS football coaching jobs in Minnesota? My thoughts (in no particular order)

Lakeville South
Lakeville North
St. Michael Albertville
Wayzata
Eden Prairie
What makes them those, out of curiosity, in your opinion?

There's obviously pay.

But you can't recruit and you can't pay players. You have to play with what you've got. So I assume you feel these have the most talent in the biggest/best feeder programs?

And what else could there be?
 






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You don't actually think that LN only draws students from downtown Lakeville .... right?
No, but the talent shift to newer parts of town is now at South. The best programs are desireable communities that can get young families to recycle homes and stay through High School.
 

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Larger communities due to their population tend to have programs starting in the 4th grade for many sports. So it's not surprising that either existing large communities (Wayzata, EP, Minnetonka, Maple Grove, Blaine) or communities in a growth area like an STMA or Prior Lake or Lakeville South or Farmington, to use different examples, will either be a decent coaching opportunity now or one in the future, particularly in football.
 

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No, but the talent shift to newer parts of town is now at South. The best programs are desireable communities that can get young families to recycle homes and stay through High School.
A lot of the homes in the LS attendance area, I would bet are as high as anywhere in the metro in terms of "first family in the home".

Unless you're saying that kids that would normally go to North, are transferring to South. That is possible.
 

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A lot of the homes in the LS attendance area, I would bet are as high as anywhere in the metro in terms of "first family in the home".

Unless you're saying that kids that would normally go to North, are transferring to South. That is possible.
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a) that district is absurdly large. Lakeville "South" is two streets down from that main central lake.

Really should split off at least the lower half of that district into it's own district.

b) I guess I don't see how this backs up your point, or what your point ultimately is?
 

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a) that district is absurdly large. Lakeville "South" is two streets down from that main central lake.

Really should split off at least the lower half of that district into it's own district.

b) I guess I don't see how this backs up your point, or what your point ultimately is?
Most new big homes are going to go in the Red. Until the move lines which becomes very political, South will grow at a faster pace and have more numbers to pull from.
 

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Until the move lines which becomes very political
Shouldn't be. There's zero difference between the cultures of the two schools.

95% white, upper class exurban and 95% white, upper class exurban. It really is merely a convenience thing, for some households.

Since clearly you can see that the "South" attendance area goes up farther north than the "North" area does.
 

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Shouldn't be. There's zero difference between the cultures of the two schools.

95% white, upper class exurban and 95% white, upper class exurban. It really is merely a convenience thing, for some households.

Since clearly you can see that the "South" attendance area goes up farther north than the "North" area does.
It more about people who buy houses based on the High School and then make friends and teams based on that, only to have it switched on them. My thoughts had nothing to do with money or skin color.
 

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Shouldn't be. There's zero difference between the cultures of the two schools.

95% white, upper class exurban and 95% white, upper class exurban. It really is merely a convenience thing, for some households.

Since clearly you can see that the "South" attendance area goes up farther north than the "North" area does.
Most of that area to the south is empty relatively speaking. It's fields and farmland. One of my good friends lives in Elko, and I had no idea that was still in the Lakeville district.
 

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a) that district is absurdly large. Lakeville "South" is two streets down from that main central lake.

Really should split off at least the lower half of that district into it's own district.

b) I guess I don't see how this backs up your point, or what your point ultimately is?
When was the last time a school district actually split? They're government entities - that doesn't really happen. Consolidation, yes. Division, no.
 

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It more about people who buy houses based on the High School and then make friends and teams based on that, only to have it switched on them. My thoughts had nothing to do with money or skin color.
I'm sure when these things change, they always grandfather in kids already in the school. Maybe not so if you're still in elementary/middle ... but then your friends in those schools should be going to the same?
 


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Huh?

I claimed no such thing

Nope
Your words.

All that is SLP district, I believe. Wild guess they open enroll to Centennial (and they'll take most anyone as they wanted to grow to the size of the Anoka district schools, and get away from being cast down with the inner ring schools). Don't want to go down to "ghetto" SLP.
 

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Your words.

All that is SLP district, I believe. Wild guess they open enroll to Centennial (and they'll take most anyone as they wanted to grow to the size of the Anoka district schools, and get away from being cast down with the inner ring schools). Don't want to go down to "ghetto" SLP.
Per usual, you leave out context. I was not talking about "all of Blaine in the SLP district", as you wrongly said above. Was talking about a very specific piece.
 


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East Ridge 2009
Chanhassen 2009
Lakeville South 2005
Rogers and Zimmerman 2003
Maple Grove 1996
Champlin Park 1992
Those weren't the districts actually splitting into new, separate districts.

Maybe there should be a state law, though: one high school = one district, with all associated admin and feeder & alternative schools.
 

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Larger communities due to their population tend to have programs starting in the 4th grade for many sports. So it's not surprising that either existing large communities (Wayzata, EP, Minnetonka, Maple Grove, Blaine) or communities in a growth area like an STMA or Prior Lake or Lakeville South or Farmington, to use different examples, will either be a decent coaching opportunity now or one in the future, particularly in football.
Wayzata starts some sports earlier than that. But tackle football starts in 4th.

The LMAA is the association for youth tackle football for Wayzata, Minnetonka, Edina, Maple Grove, Hopkins and St. Louis Park. But of those, only Wayzata (5 teams), Minnetonka (6 teams), Edina (3 or 4 teams), and Maple Grove (3 or 4 teams) participate in 4th grade.

I'd heard before that Minnetonka and maybe Edina start tackle in 3rd grade, but I couldn't find any evidence of that on their association websites. Hopkins plays something called flex football in a house league at that age - they wear these weird soft helmets or something. Not sure about St. Louis Park - that's a pretty small district.
 

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East Ridge 2009
Chanhassen 2009
Lakeville South 2005
Rogers and Zimmerman 2003
Maple Grove 1996
Champlin Park 1992
No, that's not what I meant. That's adding a school to an existing district. The governing body - the entity that has the power to tax, the school district, is the same. He said "Really should split off at least the lower half of that district into it's own district." That isn't something that ever happens.
 

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There is just no reason in the slightest for a young person to play padded tackle football before 9th grade. If you have the physical tools, you can still get to varsity.

The key thing is not to send your kid to a psycho overcrowded school hell bent on championships that forces kids to practice year round and specialize from 2nd grade onward.
 

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Per usual, you leave out context. I was not talking about "all of Blaine in the SLP district", as you wrongly said above. Was talking about a very specific piece.
Either way, you're stereotyping people based on some sort of personal bias. You just won't admit it.
 

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That isn't something that ever happens.
Nothing prevents it.

Guessing there have been more than zero new school districts created in the state since 19xx that weren't from combining smaller districts. Could easily be wrong.
 




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