Mike Leach and Mark Richt, please no

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Bringing up the Florida celebration incident might be a good anti Richt post.
 

glovedgopher said:
Bringing up the Florida celebration incident might be a good anti Richt post.
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That should give the U about 1/2 a seconds pause. Seriously, if Richt would ever be willing to come here the U just needs to make it happen. I don't think it is remotely likely, but if we're talking what if's then this one is a no brainer.
 

Richt would be fine with me; Carl Pelini and Bo Pelini are brothers - Bo is the coach, once interested in Minnesota; Carl is his brother, the D coordinator.
 

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GoAUpher said:
Since your problem with Richt is about the defensive performance of his teams, I compiled a list of the team’s defensive rankings for every season he’s been there. Here’s what I found (first ranking is D-1, ranking in parenthesis is SEC rank, links for each year point to stat rankings on the NCAA site):

2001: 8-4
Rush D: 15 (2)
Pass D: 96 (9)
Total D: 49 (6)
Scoring D: 17 (3)
2002: 13-1
Rush D: 19 (3)
Pass D: 31 (9)
Total D: 15 (4)
Scoring D: 4 (1)
2003: 11-3
Rush D: 13 (3)
Pass D: 6 (1)
Total D: 4 (2)
Scoring D: 3 (2)
2004: 10-2
Rush D: 15 (3)
Pass D: 16 (5)
Total D: 8 (4)
Scoring D: 9 (3)
2005: 10-3
Rush D: 52 (8)
Pass D: 7 (2)
Total D: 18 (5)
Scoring D: 8 (4)
2006: 9-4
Rush D: 27 (3)
Pass D: 5 (2)
Total D: 8 (3)
Scoring D: 20 (4)
2007: 11-3
Rush D: 16 (3)
Pass D: 36 (8)
Total D: 14 (3)
Scoring D: 18 (3)
2008: 10-3
Rush D: 27 (6)
Pass D: 32 (8)
Total D: 22 (5)
Scoring D: 59 (10)
2009: 8-5
Rush D: 36 (3)
Pass D: 51 (8)
Total D: 38 (7)
Scoring D: 64 (10)
2010: 1-3 (as of 9/25/10)
Rush D: 30 (5)
Pass D: 59 (7)
Total D: 32 (5)
Scoring D: 46 (5)

What do I see? Rankings that Gopher fans would kill to see attached to their team's defense. Even in the down seasons the Georgia D is ranked in the upper half of Division 1.

Honestly JPII, I'm not seeing anything that should scare the U. I don't think we'd have a shot at him, but if Georgia lets him go the U should be right there making an offer. There is pressure for Georgia to let him go because he doesn't win the SEC on an annual basis. There is also the fact that he hasn't won a national title yet in the same 9 year span Alabama has won 1, LSU 2, and (most importantly of all since they are a hated rival) Florida has won 2 titles.

The U should thank their lucky stars if they managed to land a coach like Richt.
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Richt had it going there pretty well for 5 years. When I watch his teams the last few years they are undisciplined and play poor defense. The chasm between a winning minnesota program and a losing one is huge. Is a guy like Richt up to this kind of challenge after coming from one of the top programs in football? My point is you really have to have a fire in your belly if you are going to come in here and turn this ship around....I'm just not sure Richt would be up for it. This ain't Georgia y'all...blue chippers aren't knocking down the door to come visit here. If you are going to win here you have to win with less, by out-coaching, out disciplining, and just out working the other programs. See Al Golden. See Pat Fitzgerald. These are the types I think we need to go after.
 

JPIIGopher said:
The Mike Leach offense wouldn't work in the Big Ten in my opinion. You win in the Bigten with defense and running the football.
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Joe Tiller (87-62, 53-43 in 12 seasons plus a trip to Pasadena) disagrees with you. To be fair, most of Tiller's success was early on at Purdue but he proved that non-traditional powers can be successful with a non-power scheme.

FWIW, Penn State and OSU run quite a bit of spread or have spread tendencies in their offense and both do pretty well...

Power football can work (Wisconsin, Iowa) but the speed game is successful in the Big 10 as well.

Regarding Leach, I think very highly of his offensive mind...it's very unorthodox and it's a good system...I don't know if he would play nice with the M Club and with the U leadership, which makes him not the best choice for the U. He's like Bobby Knight minus the national championships...
 


The point about Tiller's success being early-on is somewhat instructive. He was one of the first teams nationally to go to the "basketball on grass" mentality and a scheme can work for a few years until the rest of the league catches up. Plus, he had Brees and Orton who were both big-time QBs during his "up" years. Tiller's teams levelled out a bit in terms of being nationally-recognized after his Rose Bowl trip (except for the 9-4 in 2003). I just think the opposition (nationally against the spread and not just against Purdue) seemed to figure out how to use their athletic advantage on defense to stop the spread.

No flies on Tiller though. Great coach. Seemed to be a fun and decent guy.
 

glovedgopher said:
Bringing up the Florida celebration incident might be a good anti Richt post.
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Question: Am I the only one, other than Georgia fans, that thought this was great?

I still remember a comment from somebody in the media: "What upset Urban Meyer about the celebration more than anything was that he hadn't thought of doing it first."
 

JPIIGopher said:
Richt had it going there pretty well for 5 years. When I watch his teams the last few years they are undisciplined and play poor defense. The chasm between a winning minnesota program and a losing one is huge. Is a guy like Richt up to this kind of challenge after coming from one of the top programs in football? My point is you really have to have a fire in your belly if you are going to come in here and turn this ship around....I'm just not sure Richt would be up for it. This ain't Georgia y'all...blue chippers aren't knocking down the door to come visit here. If you are going to win here you have to win with less, by out-coaching, out disciplining, and just out working the other programs. See Al Golden. See Pat Fitzgerald. These are the types I think we need to go after.
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I don't disagree that hiring someone who will out coach, out discipline, and out work others would be a good hire. I was simply pointing out that his D's numbers aren't worthy of being worried about. I have to be honest, I don't see a lot of Georgia games during the year despite all the college FB I watch so I can't comment on the on field discipline stuff.

I don't think anyone can know if he'd be up to the challenge of building things here as Georgia was his first HC job. Personally, I would agree that we might be best with a coach who can do less with more than someone who needs more blue chippers. That said, on paper Richt is a home run hire (assuming he doesn't want super crazy money...the U should not overpay).

To me this is all an intellectual exercise and I don't see how we'd be able to afford him. But you gotta entertain yourself somehow.
 

GoAUpher said:
But you gotta entertain yourself somehow.
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You've got that right. LOL.

I read an article from the Atlanta paper yesterday that took potshots at Richt for some player behavior issues (arrests). I don't lay that at Richt's feet, like I don't lay Maresh's imbecility at Brewster's.
 



Bronko Mendenhall of BYU

Overall record 50 -18 (now that's coaching)
Current record 1-3
Bowl Record 3-2
Offensive Ranking Total Pts

2006 - 6 (36.7)
2007 - middle of the pack (31.2)
2008 - 19 (35.5)
2009 - 31 (34.8)


Defensive ranking

2006 - 16th
2007 - 13th (18.8 pts/gm)
2008 - 34th (21.2)
2009 - 35th (21.7)

He has had these rankings with teams of lesser talent than the U. Granted, the competition may not be the same, but he appears to have the right mix of potential and ability. His strength is defense as he has been a DC and secondary coach. I wouldn't laugh at his offense. Much more highly ranked than the Goph's. Plus he recruited last years #1 hs qb.

He is another high energy, rah rah guy. But, it looks like he has good team management skills. Given better budget and facilities at the U, I think he is a very good fit.
 

He has recruiting ties in Florida & Georgia? What makes anyone think those players will pass up an SEC Team to come play in cold ass Minnesota? I think this is a bad idea...I'd feel safer with a Coach that has done a lot without a lot to work with because that's exactly what they'd be getting into once they initially get here...

I'm not against Richt but I'm pretty sure he'd bolt for a better job after a couple seasons...
 

thailleagle said:
I'm not against Richt but I'm pretty sure he'd bolt for a better job after a couple seasons...
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If that is your biggest issue with Mark Richt, then he seems like the guy to me.

BTW that is quite preventable with a nice big buy out, granted it would also lock the U into one as well, but considering the circumstances it would be worth it.
 

mnboiler said:
If that is your biggest issue with Mark Richt, then he seems like the guy to me.

BTW that is quite preventable with a nice big buy out, granted it would also lock the U into one as well, but considering the circumstances it would be worth it.
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Yep, this is how I feel too. We shouldn't pass on a coach because he might leave after BEING SUCCESSFUL. That's like passing on the hot girl at the bar because she might dump you for a richer dude later.
 



GoAUpher said:
Yep, this is how I feel too. We shouldn't pass on a coach because he might leave after BEING SUCCESSFUL. That's like passing on the hot girl at the bar because she might dump you for a richer dude later.
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Agree 100%. I guarantee you that Brewster would have left as well if he could have gotten a better offer but he didn't.
 

The hope is that the coach who bolts makes the program good enough to where the next guy comes in and wants to stay because the program is elevated higher. You can't afford to pass on a good coach because you think he is going to bolt for a better offer. It is a lot better than hiring another guy who can't get it done.
 

Oneoldgopher said:
Overall record 50 -18 (now that's coaching)
Current record 1-3
Bowl Record 3-2
Offensive Ranking Total Pts

2006 - 6 (36.7)
2007 - middle of the pack (31.2)
2008 - 19 (35.5)
2009 - 31 (34.8)


Defensive ranking

2006 - 16th
2007 - 13th (18.8 pts/gm)
2008 - 34th (21.2)
2009 - 35th (21.7)

He has had these rankings with teams of lesser talent than the U. Granted, the competition may not be the same, but he appears to have the right mix of potential and ability. His strength is defense as he has been a DC and secondary coach. I wouldn't laugh at his offense. Much more highly ranked than the Goph's. Plus he recruited last years #1 hs qb.

He is another high energy, rah rah guy. But, it looks like he has good team management skills. Given better budget and facilities at the U, I think he is a very good fit.
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Plus his name is already Bronco, maybe we could get him to change the spelling?

Richt would be great. Next coach should be a successful guy, and the U should prove it is serious by paying accordingly.
 

Oneoldgopher said:
Overall record 50 -18 (now that's coaching)
Current record 1-3
Bowl Record 3-2
Offensive Ranking Total Pts

2006 - 6 (36.7)
2007 - middle of the pack (31.2)
2008 - 19 (35.5)
2009 - 31 (34.8)


Defensive ranking

2006 - 16th
2007 - 13th (18.8 pts/gm)
2008 - 34th (21.2)
2009 - 35th (21.7)

He has had these rankings with teams of lesser talent than the U. Granted, the competition may not be the same, but he appears to have the right mix of potential and ability. His strength is defense as he has been a DC and secondary coach. I wouldn't laugh at his offense. Much more highly ranked than the Goph's. Plus he recruited last years #1 hs qb.

He is another high energy, rah rah guy. But, it looks like he has good team management skills. Given better budget and facilities at the U, I think he is a very good fit.
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He is a Mormon and is at the Mecca for him at BYU so don't see him leaving there.
 

When evaluating whether a washed up SEC coach (Richt), might be the answer for us, perhaps we should watch how Tommy Tuberville does at Texas Tech. So far it looks like it's woking out for TT. Tommy Tuberville had a similar record to Richt
 

I wouldn't describe Richt as washed-up. He's just in a place with extremely high expectations. He's hit a bump in the road and that's often enough to get a guy in a high-profile program on "booster probation." We have to remember that Ohio South, college football and NASCAR are religious denominations.
 

However you describe it, Tommy Tubberville and Mark Richt are similar coaches with similar records, if Tuberville works out at TT, Richt should work out here.
 

I love how averaging 10 wins a year in the f-ing SEC is now "washed up". :rolleyes:
 

honestly guys. *&^!#*&^!#*&^!#*&^!# the running game. really. its always been touted as the big ten or black and blue division style in the NFL. no one in the country pounds the rock that much anymore they find a good QB and they gobble up yards like its nothing. we're seeing how far good running games are getting teams in the NFL (lions 0-3, vikes 1-2) while passing teams are at the top (Bears undeserved 3-0, packers 2-1). good football revolves around good qb play. running backs are a dime a dozen, and if you have no oline anyway you could have walter payton back there and he couldnt do anything
 

gopherphan said:
honestly guys. *&^!#*&^!#*&^!#*&^!# the running game. really. its always been touted as the big ten or black and blue division style in the NFL. no one in the country pounds the rock that much anymore they find a good QB and they gobble up yards like its nothing. we're seeing how far good running games are getting teams in the NFL (lions 0-3, vikes 1-2) while passing teams are at the top (Bears undeserved 3-0, packers 2-1). good football revolves around good qb play. running backs are a dime a dozen, and if you have no oline anyway you could have walter payton back there and he couldnt do anything
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Alabama says hi. Greg McElroy is not exactly blowing the door off anyone with his ability but he is a solid player who has a great running game around him along with a great defense. Their QB play is not why they are winning.
 

nsmike said:
However you describe it, Tommy Tubberville and Mark Richt are similar coaches with similar records, if Tuberville works out at TT, Richt should work out here.
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Agreed.
 

This post is ridiculous and could have been typed as reasons we didn't want Tubby Smith to be the next basketball coach in 2007 almost word for word. If we can get Mark Richt to take the job we should be thrilled to be so lucky, not nit-picking why he's available.
 

howeda7 said:
This post is ridiculous and could have been typed as reasons we didn't want Tubby Smith to be the next basketball coach in 2007 almost word for word. If we can get Mark Richt to take the job we should be thrilled to be so lucky, not nit-picking why he's available.
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QFT
 

nsmike said:
However you describe it, Tommy Tubberville and Mark Richt are similar coaches with similar records, if Tuberville works out at TT, Richt should work out here.
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Because Texas Tech and Minnesota are twins separated at birth? The schools are nothing alike! Their recruiting bases are nothing alike! Their academics and cities are nothing alike!

I'm not saying this mindset is entirely without value, but IMHO there are too many other factors in play for anyone to assume that TT is a great model for how MR would do at the U.
 

Mark Richt

Mark Richt's overall record at Georgia is 91 - 30. If he is available I believe every attempt possible should be made to lure him here. If he is too expensive, then so be it. If he is replaced, Georgia may go after one of the other coaches who have been mentioned --- such as --- Al Golden, Greg Schiano, or Jim Harbaugh.

Perhaps other Big Programs will be in pursuit of a Mark Richt as well if he is let go. If that the case, he may be too expensive to land here.
 

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