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WindyCityGopher said:
To any Michigan fan who discovers that Whittingham has the stench of Urban Meyer on him, even after just 2 years, he’s an acolyte. I’m not sure you understand the deep hatred Michigan fans have for Meyer and everything he’s touched.
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I misunderstood the meaning of your post, thanks for clarifying.
 

Damn. He’ll probably be competent to great unless he’s just used up. I remember watching the 2009 Sugar bowl when the little Mountain West team dominated Alabama. Looks like they beat Michigan in Ann Arbor that same season during RichRod’s debut.

Fitwise people will probably mention a Mormon going to Ann Arbor but Univ of Utah isn’t BYU. It’s (SLC and the U) more of a moderate oasis. I doubt it’s an issue other transplanting from beautiful SLC to southeastern Michigan, or family objects to it…People will probably mention age. Maybe, but maybe he’s reinvigorated by the prospect of national titles being within reach. There is young 66 and old 66…

Don’t know, but they could have done a lot worse.
 

Pompous Elitist said:
Damn. He’ll probably be competent to great unless he’s just used up. I remember watching the 2009 Sugar bowl when the little Mountain West team dominated Alabama. Looks like they beat Michigan in Ann Arbor that same season during RichRod’s debut.

Fitwise people will probably mention a Mormon going to Ann Arbor but Univ of Utah isn’t BYU. It’s (SLC and the U) more of a moderate oasis. I doubt it’s an issue other transplanting from beautiful SLC to southeastern Michigan, or family objects to it…People will probably mention age. Maybe, but maybe he’s reinvigorated by the prospect of national titles being within reach. There is young 66 and old 66…

Don’t know, but they could have done a lot worse.
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Would be interesting to know, but just because it's public doesn't mean a majority of the players, specifically the Pacific Islanders, aren't Mormon or came from Mormon families. He himself is one.

How well will he be able to relate to and recruit kids from Ohio, Mid-Atlantic, and the Southeast, where Michigan needs to draw significant talent from? I don't see why a guy who has been in Utah for 40 years would be able to transition perfectly flawlessly to a completely different part of the country. It's bizarre and quite a reach, to me.
 



all I know is he has a much better resume than every resume I have heard outside of deboer

His resume blows dillingham out of the water




What I will say is it really shows how college football has shifted.
A blue blood would never make a 4-6 year hire in 2019. Everyone would try for the 10+ year hire.

College football coaching has become more like the nfl. Schools are going to be more willing to hire a guy for a shorter vision.
Having a super long contract at some point won’t even play with recruits. They can transfer unlimited times.

So if you go someplace and the coach quits after 3 years, doesn’t matter…they can leave too if they choose.
 

GopherGrit said:
Would be interesting to know, but just because it's public doesn't mean a majority of the players, specifically the Pacific Islanders, aren't Mormon or came from Mormon families. He himself is one.

How well will he be able to relate to and recruit kids from Ohio, Mid-Atlantic, and the Southeast, where Michigan needs to draw significant talent from? I don't see why a guy who has been in Utah for 40 years would be able to transition perfectly flawlessly to a completely different part of the country. It's bizarre and quite a reach, to me.
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$?

It’s just business (sometimes?). Regardless of that I don’t think recruiting will be an issue and if he pulls in the great Polynesian players out there…probably a good thing.

Incidentally it was fun seeing Manti Te’o reemerge and on the Vikes pregame panel. A Mormon Samoan Hawaiian going to a catholic school in Indiana probably wasn’t on your bingo card either but he did alright (other than Lennay Kekua).
 

Pompous Elitist said:
$?

It’s just business (sometimes?). Regardless of that I don’t think recruiting will be an issue and if he pulls in the great Polynesian players out there…probably a good thing.

Incidentally it was fun seeing Manti Te’o reemerge and on the Vikes pregame panel. A Mormon Samoan Hawaiian going to a catholic school in Indiana probably wasn’t on your bingo card either but he did alright (other than Lennay Kekua).
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This post would hold a lot more water if it hadn't taken over 40 years (literally, his first coaching gig was BYU in 1985) for him to coach outside the state of Utah or southern Idaho (same thing).

To me this is very much a thing of "hey coach Witt ... I know you were going to retire and step aside so that Utah lifer coach in waiting Morgan Scalley could take over ..... but how about you come take our money instead, so we can save some kind of face here? If it doesn't work out, no harm no foul."

That's my wild guess
 




WindyCityGopher said:
As I suggested, Whittingham and Meyer are "very tight." I'm sure that admission will sit well with Michigan fans.

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I can't imagine more than the hot take fans would be upset.

I think Urban would have been happy to take Michigan's money too had things worked out differently, won them a championship.
 






A_Slab_of_Bacon said:
I can't imagine more than the hot take fans would be upset.

I think Urban would have been happy to take Michigan's money too had things worked out differently, won them a championship.
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No, it’s bigger than that. I know lots of hardcore Michigan fans, and to a person they despise Meyer because he owned them when he was at OSU. Close friends like Whittingham as a coach, but they honestly hate that there’s any connection to Meyer at all.
 

GopherGrit said:
Would be interesting to know, but just because it's public doesn't mean a majority of the players, specifically the Pacific Islanders, aren't Mormon or came from Mormon families. He himself is one.

How well will he be able to relate to and recruit kids from Ohio, Mid-Atlantic, and the Southeast, where Michigan needs to draw significant talent from? I don't see why a guy who has been in Utah for 40 years would be able to transition perfectly flawlessly to a completely different part of the country. It's bizarre and quite a reach, to me.
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Maybe. I don't see it as much of a problem. There may be less swearing on the sidelines and during practice though. My wife is a BYU alum. She informs me that she knew Kyle's brother, Fred at "the Y." We'll see if its a reach. I must confess, Whittingham doesn't look right in maize and blue, yet.
 

denguegopher said:
Maybe. I don't see it as much of a problem. There may be less swearing on the sidelines and during practice though. My wife is a BYU alum. She informs me that she knew Kyle's brother, Fred at "the Y." We'll see if its a reach. I must confess, Whittingham doesn't look right in maize and blue, yet.
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These days, perhaps it is even less of a problem. Kids might only care about how many zeros are beyond the proposal, when the coach comes to visit.

And it's not like the head coach is actually going to be coaching your position group. Or in the case of Whittingham, I believe, even calling the plays on the defense or offense.


Honestly (and this is largely my bias/slant towards the NFL, where several head coaches are also playcallers), I don't know if I get the point of a head coach who doesn't also call the plays on one side of the ball. Like, what do you do all day? Put out fires? Chase donors? (In Moore's case, chase skirts)
 

GopherGrit said:
These days, perhaps it is even less of a problem. Kids might only care about how many zeros are beyond the proposal, when the coach comes to visit.

And it's not like the head coach is actually going to be coaching your position group. Or in the case of Whittingham, I believe, even calling the plays on the defense or offense.


Honestly (and this is largely my bias/slant towards the NFL, where several head coaches are also playcallers), I don't know if I get the point of a head coach who doesn't also call the plays on one side of the ball. Like, what do you do all day? Put out fires? Chase donors? (In Moore's case, chase skirts)
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The last time a college football coach won a national title as a play caller was 2014
 

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The last time a college football coach won a national title as a play caller was 2014
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I would think the NFL coaching structure makes more sense. That's just me

EDIT: talking about head coaches who call plays
 
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GopherGrit said:
I would think the NFL coaching structure makes more sense. That's just me

EDIT: talking about head coaches who call plays
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Keep in mind college coaches have a lot of responsibilities that in the NFL would fall on the GM's shoulders, so maybe the majority don't have the bandwidth for play calling
 


GopherPete said:
Keep in mind college coaches have a lot of responsibilities that in the NFL would fall on the GM's shoulders, so maybe the majority don't have the bandwidth for play calling
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That's a fair point, but at least in some sense I think many of the P4 programs at least do have a GM?

Here's the GM for Gopher football:

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Gerrit Chernoff - Assistant Athletic Director / General Manager - Football Support Staff - University of Minnesota Athletics

Gerrit Chernoff was named general manager of the Minnesota football staff in January 2017. He was promoted to Assistant Athletic Director / General Manager i...
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GopherGrit said:
That's a fair point, but at least in some sense I think many of the P4 programs at least do have a GM?

Here's the GM for Gopher football:

gophersports.com

Gerrit Chernoff - Assistant Athletic Director / General Manager - Football Support Staff - University of Minnesota Athletics

Gerrit Chernoff was named general manager of the Minnesota football staff in January 2017. He was promoted to Assistant Athletic Director / General Manager i...
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Many do now, yes. But most of those GM's are what used to be Director of Player Personnel and the HC still oversees the roster. I have been meaning to start a thread about this because I'm curious what others have seen elsewhere and expect in the future... Will we see more GMs in CFB that have final say on the roster?
 

Scottsdale Gopher said:
Many do now, yes. But most of those GM's are what used to be Director of Player Personnel and the HC still oversees the roster. I have been meaning to start a thread about this because I'm curious what others have seen elsewhere and expect in the future... Will we see more GMs in CFB that have final say on the roster?
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Honest question:

does it often happen in the NFL where the head coach (and coordinators, position coach, etc.) say one thing on a player, but then the GM said "sorry coach, you're wrong!! I have the final say, and I say we're not doing that" ?
 

GopherGrit said:
Honest question:

does it often happen in the NFL where the head coach (and coordinators, position coach, etc.) say one thing on a player, but then the GM said "sorry coach, you're wrong!! I have the final say, and I say we're not doing that" ?
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My buddy works in an NFL FO. It's a collaborative process for sure, but there are situations where a final decision has to be made, specifically with the draft, that can create friction between FO and coaches.

I would love to know if Chernoff is the first point of contact for player agents or if all of that funnels to PJ. NFL head coaches don't have those conversations at all, but we know PJ is central to that process currently.
 

Scottsdale Gopher said:
My buddy works in an NFL FO. It's a collaborative process for sure, but there are situations where a final decision has to be made, specifically with the draft, that can create friction between FO and coaches.

I would love to know if Chernoff is the first point of contact for player agents or if all of that funnels to PJ. NFL head coaches don't have those conversations at all, but we know PJ is central to that process currently.
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Ask Matt Millen’ opinion, do opposite

Honestly have long thought it’s well-nigh insane any GM background be damned can possibly overrule an experienced coaching staff on player recruitment, team build and draft except when it comes to $$ rubber meeting road.
 

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