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Tom Dienhart
Rivals.com College Football Senior Writer

With the coaching carousel about to heat up, Glen Mason would like to hop on and get a job.

"But I am kind of a realist," he said. "When I got let go after 2006, people told me I did a great job at Minnesota and would get another chance to coach. You think someone would offer up a chance to coach, and more often than not it doesn't happen.

"I wasn't overly optimistic after 2006. And now I am more of a realist and I don't think it's going to happen."

Glen Mason was fired despite a 64-57 record and seven bowl bids at Minnesota.
Minnesota's decision to fire Mason after the Gophers blew a 38-7 lead in the 2006 Insight Bowl and lost 44-41 in overtime to Texas Tech led to the hiring of Tim Brewster. Brewster was fired in October after going 15-30 overall and 6-21 in the Big Ten.

"I think I was a 'surprise fire,' " Mason said. "We won our last three Big Ten games to get bowl-eligible [that year] and then lose to a good Texas Tech team. Then, they hire Tim Brewster. And three and a half years later, he's out. You can't keep making those type of decisions and accomplish what you want to accomplish."

Mason, 60, a former Ohio State player and assistant, was one of the most successful coaches in Minnesota history. From 1997-2006, he forged a 64-57 record and went to seven bowls. He led the Golden Gophers to 10 wins in 2003, notched victories at Penn State, Ohio State and Michigan and beat Arkansas, Oregon and Alabama in bowls. But school officials thought the program had gone stale and needed a new vision as it made a push toward the opening of an on-campus stadium.

Before taking the Minnesota job, Mason had success at Kent State and Kansas.

"A coaches' won-loss record can be misleading because it's harder to win at some places than others," said Mason, who is 123-121-1 in 21 seasons as a coach. "I won at three places that were perennial losers. When I left, they were consistent winners. And I did it the right way. I didn't break any rules and I had the respect of my colleagues."

Since leaving, Mason has worked for a financial company in the Twin Cities and as an analyst for the Big Ten Network. But he'd like to get back on the sideline.

"I have had a couple of inquires," Mason said. "But I have a pretty good thing going now. All of my kids live in Minnesota, so I wasn't just willing to go anywhere. After 21 years as a head coach, I'm not willing to go just any place to be a head coach."

Who does Mason think Minnesota should hire?

"There are a couple ways to look at it," he said. "I used to tell our coaches that there are two different kind of coaches: fundamentalists and schemers. I said we are going to be fundamentalists. We are going to coach football and take the best players we can get and improve them. It didn't matter how well we recruited at Minnesota, we weren't going to out-recruit Ohio State, Michigan or Penn State. They have a lot of built-in advantages. But we could recruit ... good, hard-nosed, hard-working kids who may have been a step slow or an inch short ... and we were going to develop them. That's what we did.

"That's what I believe Minnesota needs. You need someone who can go out and sell the school and get the best talent you can. But then you better have a guy who can really develop them."

Minnesota often is viewed as a difficult job. Indeed, the school has the longest Rose Bowl drought of any Big Ten school, last playing in Pasadena after the 1961 season. Getting to the Rose Bowl will be more difficult starting in 2011 with Nebraska joining the Big Ten.

"It's a lot better now because they have a stadium, which I never had," Mason said. "I always thought the biggest drawback we had was we played in the [Metro]dome. It wasn't on campus, it wasn't a collegiate atmosphere, we didn't control it. We had to compete for time with the Twins and Vikings.

"When we brought kids in for recruiting, it seldom was set up as a football field. It was set up for tractor pulls, snowmobile contests, they had a mum festival every year. We had to take prospects in there in that atmosphere. It was horrible. ... As far as I am concerned, it's a lot better situation now than when I was there."

Can Minnesota ever win the Big Ten title?

"Sure," Mason said. "I came close. We were positioned a couple times and we only have ourselves to blame. You just had to hang in there and believe. They need to make a thoughtful and educated decision on what needs to take place. Find that individual, and have everyone hang in there and go for it."
 

Good article. Mason is very honest and candid and I really can't disagree with him on anything he said. When I think of Glen Mason I remember all the good things that he did here. He had a lot of big wins when he was here and we were one victory over Michigan from going to the Rose Bowl. He definitely was a lot better than Brewster and that isn't even debatable there.

He made a lot of enemies and did some things that I didn't agree with. Every once in a while he would make the most boneheaded coaching mistake that would make me scream at the TV in disbelief. I do not know if I have ever seen any coach lose more games in the most gut-wrenching way possible. I don't know if I have ever seen anyone blow more huge leads ever. Still while Mason would blow a huge lead -- at least he HAD a huge lead at some point. Brewster's teams were usually not even in the game. Mason at least had a very potent offense that was fun to watch while Brewster's ever changing offense each year was just painful.

Glen Mason could have done better if he had just tried to recruit harder and tried to build bridges with the Minnesota high school coaches. I think if you took Mason's best qualities and Brewster's good qualities and combined them together, you would have a very good football coach!!
 

That's a great interview! I love how candid Mason was - and agree with him on many different levels. We do need to recruit the best we can, but we need a guy that can bring out the best in the players, and really develop them....and get a supporting staff that can do the same.

I'm actually shocked Mason hasn't had many other offers, he did take our program from the bottom of the barrel, and made us middle of the pack. Plus, after the absolute failure Tim Brewster has been - you'd think Mason would look even more impressive.
 

Nice article. I'm kind of getting tired of hearing Mason "recall" his time at the U so fondly. He was a decent coach, but seriously, can he be realistic for one minute? Every interview he states all the good things he did, and makes it sound like he took this school to the highest level possible. Glen, you loaded up with 4 cupcake Non-Conference teams, and then hoped 2-3 BigTen teams fell asleep at the wheel every year. We were going nowhere. If you stopped mailing it in, creating excuses and kept pushing this program forward, YOU'D STILL BE HERE! That's why no one asks for your coaching services, they want someone who is motivated to WIN, not just coach.
 

Nice article. I'm kind of getting tired of hearing Mason "recall" his time at the U so fondly. He was a decent coach, but seriously, can he be realistic for one minute? Every interview he states all the good things he did, and makes it sound like he took this school to the highest level possible. Glen, you loaded up with 4 cupcake Non-Conference teams, and then hoped 2-3 BigTen teams fell asleep at the wheel every year. We were going nowhere. If you stopped mailing it in, creating excuses and kept pushing this program forward, YOU'D STILL BE HERE! That's why no one asks for your coaching services, they want someone who is motivated to WIN, not just coach.

Well, you have to be fair to Glen Mason, too. He did beat up on the cupcakes (which is certainly better than LOSING to them!!) but he did have his fair share of pretty big wins, too. He beat Penn St. 4 times in a row and I think if Brewster would have coached for 50 years, he probably wouldn't be able to beat them 4 times in his entire tenure! Mason also beat every team in the Big Ten at least once, and beating very good programs like Alabama, Oregon and Arkansas in the bowl games was certainly something I will always remember! And man oh man was that offense fun to watch. I do not think we will EVER have a running attack like that again that could run the ball on literally everyone. Now can we just get a good defense already!!

If Mason would have really taken this job more seriously though, he would still be here and we probably would be right where Wisconsin and Iowa are. That would mean recruiting as hard as Tim Brewster did, not interviewing for every job that came along and trying to get along with the high school coaches. He didn't want to do any of that though and that's why he is up in the booth right now.
 


Talking about Mason's recruiting misses the larger picture. It wasn't great overall, but his player development really made up for it. Even Timmy Master Recruiter couldn't recruit for sh1t here, WITH a brand new stadium to sell. Mason sent quite a number of relatively unheralded guys to the NFL, and had the rest competing toe to toe with superior (sometimes vastly superior) Big Ten teams. He is right that you can't out-recruit Ohio State & Michigan here. It's just impossible. In that sense, his roster strategy was very sound.

Mason's #1 glaring flaw in my mind was his patented late-game "fetal position" strategy. Which needs no further explanation. This cost us a number of heartbreaking games including the one that ultimately got him fired. Such a shame. I would love to see what he could do in the new stadium that he helped build. Even Capt. Light Years managed 7 wins one year. I wonder if Mason would have won the Big Ten?
 

The odds of any coach hired by this search process being led by this ad...

hiring a coach who will ever do better than Mason is not good...

My hope is the the new coach will not come in talking about National Championships or even Big Ten Titles. The new guy needs to be just as quiet as Tubby Smith was. The new coach will need to talk about competing in the Big Ten. The new coach will need to assure us that he and his staff will be coaches first and will put a fundimentally sound program together.

The new goal will need to be to first start winning some trophy games. It will need to be to start qualifying for and then winning some bowl games.

The new coach need not attempt to baffel us with his b.s. about winning the Big Ten Championship Game. He needs to speak softly. And then he needs to start getting some Big Ten wins. Any kind of win will help. Just forget the talk. We need a coach who will make this program competetive in Big Ten play.

IF the new coach can achieve making this program competetive in Big Ten play, then anything is possible.

However, I will assume that many on this board will be "underwhelmed" by the new coach. Many of you will act all pi#$y about the choice. That will probably be a good thing. You will be saying: "...show me with wins..." And, that is the way it should be...the way it needs to be.

It is going to take a while for the new coach to rival the 5 win Big Ten season I fear. 5 Big Ten wins and 3 or 4 non-conference wins would make for a pretty darn good season. Will the new coach ever get to a 10 win season during the first 8 years of coaching here? Maybe...but, probably not.

What many of you people just don't realize is the fact that Mason was probably the best that most of you are going to see in the next 25 years of watching Gopher Football.

Stoll was the best of the non-Bierman, non-Warmath types. After we fired Stoll, we went through about twenty seasons before Mason. Stoll had the BRICKHOUSE, and he followed Murray who had won a Big Ten Championship not that many years before Stoll took over. By the time Mason got here, the program's home had been the dome for about 16 seasons and it had been 30 years since Gopher Football had won a conference championship.

IF we are good, supportive, patient and honest Fans, it is probably going to take us close to a quarter of a century until we see a ten win season again. And, now, we have our own beautiful on campus stadium that will FORCE the administration to be just a little supportive to the new football coach. Why so long? Because it is a LOT harder to win Big Ten Football games than most of the people around here want it to be.

We will not have one of the top five football coaches in the nation. Sorry, it just is not in the cards. 2 to 2.5 million doesn't buy much these days. Even 3 million is getting to be a pretty common and ordinary "big time" football coaching salary.

You people are about to find out how tough it is to get a 10 win season.

And, to those of you who knock a winable ooc schedule...just remember this: Nebraska is going to be coming around every year, along with wisky, iowa, Illinois, NU, Michigan and MSU. Mabye we'll be lucky enough to draw OSU every now and then...or PSU. Throw in an ooc game that we are mismatched in and how many wins do you expect can realistically be achieved within the first four years of the new coache's tenure? 5 or 6 with 3 ooc wins and 3 Big Ten wins?

With the 4 seasons of brewball behind us, if the past tells us anything, it may be another 10 to 15 seasons before we see another one of those 10 win seasons.

It is NOT as easy to win a ton of Big Ten games as some of you seem to think. It never has been and it never will be. Who ever the new coach is, that coach had best be able to build a staff that can coach the players up. Because OSU is still OSU, Michigan will someday be back to being Michigan. PSU some years will be very tough. Some seasons wisky, iowa, MSU and Illinois will be pretty darn good. NU scraps, coaches up, plays smart and really competes very often. And Nebraska will consistantly be an excellent program. Their administration understands what "Big Red" means to Nebraska. It got tougher in the Big Ten.

I think it is time to be humble. I think it is time to hope that we get a coach who can coach players up. I think it is time to realize that making bowl games more often than not, winning some of them, having trophys in our trophy cases on a competetive basis and winning border battle games is really what being a sound Big Ten Program is all about. And, IF the program is competetive, there will be a chance for a Big Ten championship once in a while, once in a great while. And, if we are lucky enough to win a championship, it will be something to be treasured.

The key to everything is coaching players up and being competetive. Some on this board don't realize that yet. But, IF you have the staying power to stick around for the next 25 years, you just may see a coach who can make our program about as competetive as we were during the Mason years.

Some of you just seem to think it should all be so "easy..." It is NOT easy. It never has been. It never will be. But, winning a trophy game IS a big deal. IF you stick around for the next quarter of a century, you are about to learn that you have to appreciate every single Big Ten win that the program can get.

So, hang on to your hats when the new coache's name is announced. Some will like the hire. Many will not like the hire. Some will want to control all thought and printed word concerning the new coach. Some will want to allow no criticism. Some will want to trash the talk. Some will want to talk the trash.

We have the stadium. Now, we have to go about finding ways to win Big Ten Football Games. Every win will help. Every loss will hurt. The Loon always pointed that out. Many people don't like to think in terms of a single win here and a single win there being a good thing. However, the ONLY way a Big Ten Program ever gets better is by appreciating and maximizing every single Big Ten win.

Hang on to your hats! A new, bumpy ride is about to begin when the new coache's name is announced. At least this time, the ending of a coache's coaching career made complete sense. brewball had to expire. It is also very unlikely that the new coach will have less Big Ten wins after four years than the most recently fired coach had. brewball wasn't conducive to winning Big Ten Football Games. We will have a new prexy...Prexy K. We will eventually have a new ad.

But, it will be a long time until we have a 10 win season...that's ok if we can begin to compete in Big Ten play again...and win a border battle once in a while...Maybe walking in this wilderness will be better if we take GOOD CARE of our TCF BANK STADIUM home.
 

2 of Brewster's 4 years were typical Mason years. Mason had a horrendous big ten winning percentage and a horrendours record against rivals over a decade of coaching. It certainly is no surprise that his name has never come up for another job. During his tenure, only Minnesota and Indiana failed to finish 3rd or higher in the Big Ten.
 




My hope is the the new coach will not come in talking about National Championships or even Big Ten Titles.

I quit reading your essay after the first few paragraphs, so sorry if I missed your point. But if we bring in a coach for nearly $3 million a year, he BETTER be talking about Big Ten Titles. I never got people who ripped Brew for that...if winning the Big Ten isn't the goal, Glen Mason should still be here. If you're saying "we expect you to win the Big Ten, but you better not talk about it until you do", what does that accomplish? You're pissed he got your hopes up? Or that it gave some numb nuts a chance to laugh at the program?
 

Talking about Mason's recruiting misses the larger picture. It wasn't great overall, but his player development really made up for it. Even Timmy Master Recruiter couldn't recruit for sh1t here, WITH a brand new stadium to sell. Mason sent quite a number of relatively unheralded guys to the NFL, and had the rest competing toe to toe with superior (sometimes vastly superior) Big Ten teams. He is right that you can't out-recruit Ohio State & Michigan here. It's just impossible. In that sense, his roster strategy was very sound.

Mason's #1 glaring flaw in my mind was his patented late-game "fetal position" strategy. Which needs no further explanation. This cost us a number of heartbreaking games including the one that ultimately got him fired. Such a shame. I would love to see what he could do in the new stadium that he helped build. Even Capt. Light Years managed 7 wins one year. I wonder if Mason would have won the Big Ten?

Interesting.

I agree with the other poster who said half of Brewsters coaching years were typical Mason years. Brew had two appearances in the Insight Bowl... Where was Mason's last game?
 

Talk is so cheap...don't talk about something...

DO something. brewster's talk did not match his actions.

You people really do have a lot to learn. We are now almost four years post-Mason. The first replacement took us right back to the bottom. The new coach has a lot of ground to make up to get back to those Mason levels. brewster had 1 1/2 zero for Big Ten play seasons in his 3 1/2 seasons here. He had 6 Big Ten wins in 3 1/2 seasons. He won ZERO trophy games. He lost to South Dakota and North Dakota State. He never beat iowa or wisky.

So, just who do you think is going to take this job? If that person is smart, he will be quiet the way Tubby was quiet when he came here and he will quietly get to work, bring in a great staff and start coaching this program back to some semblence of respectability. He will have the new stadium. That will help some. But, how long will it be until he matches the demands of you people?

I have read that prexy b says he doesn't want to go much past the 2 to 2 1/2 million dollar mark in paying a new coach. When pressed, he sometimes mentions 3 million. Well, here is the deal, even Ferentz will be earning 3 3/4 million a season per terms of his new contract. Will less than 3 million attract a well established coach? prexy b was very content to go into a new stadium with a coach with NO coaching experience. We have seen how well that deal that prexy b got himself into turned out. With that huge investment, the administration went with a totally inexperienced and untested coach. And, when testing time came around, prexy b's guy brewster flunked the test. Shame on you prexy b.

Any new coach here is going to have to do one hell of a great coaching job just to reach the levels Mason had achieved WITHOUT the new stadium in place...

It is always kind of funny to watch what happens to you people who talk so big once a new coach comes to the U. The way you go from comparing the new hire to the greatest thing since football was invented to total hatred within the course of a couple of years is pretty predictable and pretty typical of what the past half centruy has been like. Then, the defensivness starts in the booster clubs and the tailgate lots. Then the total abandonment of support for that coach. When brewster came here, it was obvious from day one that he would be all talk and no action. By the end of his first season he was 1-11 and 0-8 in Big Ten play. It was all over right there and then. But, that was then and this is now.

I truely hope that the new coach is quietly confident, comes into town, gets to work and has the good, common sense to realize that he needs to utilize the talent that is available to him and that he needs to win as many games as possible in year one. We will grade him out by keeping track of his Big Ten wins vs his Big Ten losses. Actually, the Big Ten Conference will do that for us with the standings they release each week of the Big Ten Football Season starting in 2011.

Just remember that "talk is cheap..." The proof will lie in the Big Ten standings.

This program will not hire a magician who will instantly take this program to the top of the conference standings. The program will need to become competetive on the playing field and in the Big Ten standings. Stability from the coaching staff needs to be established and fully achieved. Hopefully, a decent AD can be hired to help support this new coach. Hopefully the new prexy will understand that the success of his new football coach will also depend upon the level of support that the University of Minnesota can provide it's primary revenue producing program...it's football program.

And, even then, a ten win season is probably a long time away. A lot of fans will learn a lot of lessons during then next ten to twenty seasons. We are four seasons post Mason, and so far, it has not been a fun ride. Every Big Ten win will help the new coach. Every Big Ten loss will hurt the new coach. Big Ten wins are NOT easy to come by. They are NOT as easy as some people want to think.
 




The new coach has a lot of ground to make up to get back to those Mason levels.

Pretty sure that can be done in a couple years. Brewster did it two out of four years. Hindsight is 20/20. I wish we would have seen what Mason could have done with the new stadium. We don't have that on the table now. I hope the next coach can get us back to at least Mason's level. The new conference will help as we only have to be better than five teams now instead of 10 to have a special season.
 

And, half of brewster's years here were ZERO win Big Ten seasons. He NEVER won a Big Ten game in the month of November. 37.5% of the Big Ten season is played in the month of November. WHY was brewster fired mid-Big Ten season after only 3 1/2 years? And, in October? And, after brewster was gone, the program finally won a Big Ten game in November. That was a very valuable and precious Big Ten win.

You will have a long time to learn some hard lessons, I think....and lesson number one will be that every single Big Ten win is to be valued, treasured and respected. Being in a division of a conference with iowa, Michigan, Nebraska, MSU and NU and playing wisky every year will indeed be a challenge. And, eventually, the Big Ten schedule will probably be increased to nine games from eight. On the surface, it may appear that it will be easier to "sneak" a trip to the Conference Title game, but, how easy will it be to finish ahead of Michigan, iowa and Nebraska? Some years NU can be mighty tough too. So far, historically for the past half a century, we have not done as well as four of those teams. Hopefully, Minnesota can start competing again with Michigan and beating them once in a while. Heck, hopefully, Minnsesota can start competing again with iowa and beating them once in a while.

I'd be humble and hoping for a coach who can coach his players up, put them in an offensive system that can maintain itself with linemen from Minnesota/the Dakotas/wisky and can give the Gophers an identity...a trademark and an image. You know, kind of like the offense that Mason developed.

And, for crying out loud, when a Minnesota kid plays with as much heart and gets himself into the Big Ten record books, support that kid...do NOT trash him. How can anyone expect Minnesota athletes to come to the U when Minnesota kids are treated the way many have treated our qb????????
 

Originally Posted by imthewalrus: "The new coach has a lot of ground to make up to get back to those Mason levels."

It should take the new coach about one season for him to figure out how to beat up on non-conference cupcakes, post a 6-6 overall record, and earn a trip to a third rate bowl game. That is all it takes to make some Gopher fans happy. The new coach will probably get it done next season because Brewster has left him with much better returning players than Mason left Brewster.
 


And, for crying out loud, when a Minnesota kid plays with as much heart and gets himself into the Big Ten record books, support that kid...do NOT trash him. How can anyone expect Minnesota athletes to come to the U when Minnesota kids are treated the way many have treated our qb????????

Won't get me to disagree on that one. I think Weber would be at a whole different level of talk if he had played four years in Mason's system. Couple that with the new stadium and it might be us playing for the Rose bowl this weekend.

Can't wait for Saturday and send these poor seniors out on a high note and thank them for putting up with the Brewster situation.
 


Its a sad state of affairs when some people gloat over the Mason years. Mason did all he could at MN in his ten years. Mason can toot his own horn all he wasnts but he never won big and often; anywhere. He got us to low tier bowl games by winning 3 BT games and beating up on smurfs. It worked. That is if you are satisfied with mediocrity. Its a travesty that the 2009 and 2003 squads did not win the BT with all that talent and experience. After ten years it was time for a switch.

Mason would have soiled his pants if he would have had Gutey's NC schedule facing the likes of Oklahoma, Nebraska, Colorado, a 9-3 Washington State and decent Pitt & Iowa State squads sprinkled in with Cal, and Utah. On the converse Gutey would have got us to a couple of more bowl games with Mason's schedule.

So where are we? We have an administration that tells us they are fully committed to make Minnesota football relevant. We have a new stadium and a competitive salary to offer for a coach that will make that happen. We fired a coach into his fourth year who got us to two bowl games sandwiched by two horrible years. Yet Brewster fielded an extremely young team with just 4 Seniors (Weber, Alford, Burris, Ellestad) left over from a very weak and depleted 2006 Mason class and just 5/6 from the remains of the 2007 class. Weak.

I will be shocked if we can attract a big name to Minnesota. Candidates will be wary of an Administration that fired a coach midway into his fourth season after two consecutive bowl seasons. That will raise eyebrows and question why it is so difficult to win at Minnesota and how much time will the new coach get. And what will the new President and future AD expect? If I were a successful HC looking at Minnesota, I would be very leary.

Wren is correct that this will be a huge challenge.
 

I will be shocked if we can attract a big name to Minnesota. Candidates will be wary of an Administration that fired a coach midway into his fourth season after two consecutive bowl seasons. That will raise eyebrows and question why it is so difficult to win at Minnesota and how much time will the new coach get. And what will the new President and future AD expect? If I were a successful HC looking at Minnesota, I would be very leary.

Wren is correct that this will be a huge challenge.

I will be shocked if Hoke, Calhoun, or Sumlin is not the coach. I also think that most of these guys have no problem with the U firing a coach who had no experience coaching. They are probably more wary of the U hiring Brewster in the first place.
 

What many of you people just don't realize is the fact that Mason was probably the best that most of you are going to see in the next 25 years of watching Gopher Football.

You people are about to find out how tough it is to get a 10 win season.

I always love it when someone plays the condescending "you people" card on a message board. The old "you people" sure builds a consensus, doesn't it? Oh, and count me among those stupid people that believe Mason is NOT the best coach we will see for 25 years.
 


I hesitate to weigh in. As disappointed as I was in Brewster, I am equally disappointed in Mason. I had extremely high hopes for Mason when he got the job, but (as is present in the article if you read between the lines) he had this attitude that "we're never going to out-recruit Ohio State, Penn State, and Michigan, so just be happy." I was always impressed with Mason's ability to recruit to his system, but outside of running back, his depth was terrible.

MaxyJr, with all due respect because you're a great poster, please don't Bogart what you're smoking and pass it along. Unless there would have been a huge influx of talent, the Gophers wouldn't have been competing for the Rose Bowl this coming weekend.

As for the "coaching up," I think we've seen Davis improve the offensive line play this season, especially as it relates to Wills. Unfortunately, our defensive teaching capabilities still remain negligible.

I agree with Gold Rush that if you combined Brewster's energy and salesmanship with Mason's stronger points, you'd have a heckuva coach. Mason was a PR disaster, but Brewster's W/L turned into a larger PR disaster.

Mason did what he did. It wasn't bad. We can do better. Will we? Remains to be seen.
 




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