LSU Madness

[A_Slab_of_Bacon]

So LSU fired Brian Kelly on Oct 26.

Then the governor of Louisiana got involved, and got the AD fired because he has some sort of personal gripe with him. A new AD took over, but what his role is has been unclear.

The saga was wild and now has gotten even wilder.

LSU has decided that it didn't "formally" fire Kelly on October 26 ... and they now want to fire him for cause.

 

[Eastside Forever]

So LSU fired Brian Kelly on Oct 26.

Then the governor of Louisiana got involved, and got the AD fired because he has some sort of personal gripe with him. A new AD took over, but what his role is has been unclear.

The saga was wild and now has gotten even wilder.

LSU has decided that it didn't "formally" fire Kelly on October 26 ... and they now want to fire him for cause.

Cause would mean no severance pay. All about $$$$$$$$. Litigation to follow.

 

[GreasyGopher]

Is the cause going to be that he was derelict in his duties because he didn’t show up to coach the team the last couple weeks?

If he wasn’t terminated on 10/26 and LSU hasn’t determined cause, can Kelly show up on Saturday and coach the team?

 

[A_Slab_of_Bacon]

Is the cause going to be that he was derelict in his duties because he didn’t show up to coach the team the last couple weeks?

If he wasn’t terminated on 10/26 and LSU hasn’t determined cause, can Kelly show up on Saturday and coach the team?

I like the idea of Kelly showing up "Wild card bitches!"

 

[GreasyGopher]

I like the idea of Kelly showing up "Wild card bitches!"

As long as it involves Stone Cold Steve Austin entrance music in some form or fashion, I’m on board with this idea!

 

[MNVCGUY]

What a clown show.

I mean I can understand trying to avoid paying someone 54 million not to coach your team but can't imagine this is going to make them look real appealing to future coaching candidates.

 

[GreasyGopher]

What a clown show.

I mean I can understand trying to avoid paying someone 54 million not to coach your team but can't imagine this is going to make them look real appealing to future coaching candidates.

I mean the job is likely going to pay $10+ mil while employed and 8-9 figures if fired…

And you’re almost certainly going to be fired if you don’t have them competing for a national championship.

People will accept a lot for that type of pay day. Also, the dysfunction probably isn’t unique to LSU.

 

[A_Slab_of_Bacon]

I mean the job is likely going to pay $10+ mil while employed and 8-9 figures if fired…

And you’re almost certainly going to be fired if you don’t have them competing for a national championship.

People will accept a lot for that type of pay day. Also, the dysfunction probably isn’t unique to LSU.

I think people will take the job.

I do think what value you place on your buyout might be something you discount ... and that could impact how competitive LSU is getting someone who is in demand. More so in a year where there are openings galore.

 

[fmlizard]

Always assume your employer will try something sleazy to save money, even when you are one of the rare few getting paid tens of millions to fail

 

[MNVCGUY]

I mean the job is likely going to pay $10+ mil while employed and 8-9 figures if fired…

And you’re almost certainly going to be fired if you don’t have them competing for a national championship.

People will accept a lot for that type of pay day. Also, the dysfunction probably isn’t unique to LSU.

Oh they will definitely be able to find someone to take the job....but the really high profile candidates with options might look elsewhere first.

 

[GreasyGopher]

Oh they will definitely be able to find someone to take the job....but the really high profile candidates with options might look elsewhere first.

I guess this begs the question if LSU will have the money to go after a really high profile candidate given that type of candidate will likely have a massive buyout.

 

[MNVCGUY]

I guess this begs the question if LSU will have the money to go after a really high profile candidate given that type of candidate will likely have a massive buyout.

They always seem to come up with the money somehow but the massive size of these coaching buyouts is definitely getting more and more attention. The amount of money being paid to people not to coach is ridiculous.

 

[Gophers1992]

You really have to be incompetent to make Brian Kelly look like the good guy in the story.

 

[forever a gopher]

You really have to be incompetent to make Brian "the killer" Kelly look like the good guy in the story.

FIFY

 

[GopherTheJugular]

I guess this begs the question if LSU will have the money to go after a really high profile candidate given that type of candidate will likely have a massive buyout.

I question the buyout concept, as it seems contradictory in one regard. If you're getting a top-tier coach and that coach feels like they can succeed, why do they insist on a $10+M "golden parachute" if they fail? Shouldn't the AD ask, "if you're worth your yearly salary and can do the job well, why do you need insurance for being fired over poor performance?"

Buyouts should be compensation for the school for losing a coach some other school wanted.

 

[Gophers1992]

I question the buyout concept, as it seems contradictory in one regard. If you're getting a top-tier coach and that coach feels like they can succeed, why do they insist on a $10+M "golden parachute" if they fail? Shouldn't the AD ask, "if you're worth your yearly salary and can do the job well, why do you need insurance for being fired over poor performance?"

Buyouts should be compensation for the school for losing a coach some other school wanted.

An AD is free to try to negotiate a zero buyout, they just risk losing a candidate to a school willing to offer that. No different than any other job search.

 

[GopherTheJugular]

You really have to be incompetent to make Brian Kelly look like the good guy in the story.

Why do you think he should be the bad guy? He went there, tried his best, won the SEC West his first year (while Saban was still there) and didn't have scandals.

What's bad about him?

 

[GopherTheJugular]

An AD is free to try to negotiate a zero buyout, they just risk losing a candidate to a school willing to offer that. No different than any other job search.

Oh I agree, it's just the irony of it.

It would be like if a woman said she would marry me, but then wanted me to sign a document stating how much of my property she will take if we get divorced. My reply would be, if you're considering divorce before we are even married, I'm better with someone else.

 

[Gophers1992]

Why do you think he should be the bad guy? He went there, tried his best, won the SEC West his first year (while Saban was still there) and didn't have scandals.

What's bad about him?

Why do you think he should be the bad guy? He went there, tried his best, won the SEC West his first year (while Saban was still there) and didn't have scandals.

What's bad about him?

From what we know so far in this story, I don't think he should be the bad guy. I'm just saying Kelly has a reputation of being an asshole, plus the ND incident where he may or may not have killed a kid, so it's hard to lose a PR battle with him, but LSU seems to be doing so. I'm not aware of anything scandalous that he did at LSU other than just being his general unlikable self.

 

[Gophers1992]

Oh I agree, it's just the irony of it.

It would be like if a woman said she would marry me, but then wanted me to sign a document stating how much of my property she will take if we get divorced. My reply would be, if you're considering divorce before we are even married, I'm better with someone else.

Not sure that's ironic, and prenups are very much a thing and should be far more common than they are.

 

[The Deliberate Stranger]

One of Trumps biggest brown nosers got involved and now it's a shit show! Turned the most attractive job on the market into a complete gong show. Who could have ever seen such a thing coming!

 

[A_Slab_of_Bacon]

From what we know so far in this story, I don't think he should be the bad guy. I'm just saying Kelly has a reputation of being an asshole, plus the ND incident where he may or may not have killed a kid, so it's hard to lose a PR battle with him, but LSU seems to be doing so. I'm not aware of anything scandalous that he did at LSU other than just being his general unlikable self.

And to be clear, everyone knew Kelly was an asshole when LSU hired him too. They were ok with it as long as he won football games.

Poor J Cutler ...

 

[The Deliberate Stranger]

And to be clear, everyone knew Kelly was an asshole when LSU hired him too. They were ok with it as long as he won football games.

Declan Sullivan would still be alive if they had practiced inside that faithful fay

 

[LeftofThaDial]

One of Trumps biggest brown nosers got involved and now it's a shit show! Turned the most attractive job on the market into a complete gong show. Who could have ever seen such a thing coming!

There is a long tradition in Louisiana of Governors being involved in LSU football, it’s a completely different animal down there.

 

[Gopher_In_NYC]

So LSU fired Brian Kelly on Oct 26.

Then the governor of Louisiana got involved, and got the AD fired because he has some sort of personal gripe with him. A new AD took over, but what his role is has been unclear.

The saga was wild and now has gotten even wilder.

LSU has decided that it didn't "formally" fire Kelly on October 26 ... and they now want to fire him for cause.

They like thier Gumbo Smokin' Hot

 

[GreasyGopher]

I question the buyout concept, as it seems contradictory in one regard. If you're getting a top-tier coach and that coach feels like they can succeed, why do they insist on a $10+M "golden parachute" if they fail? Shouldn't the AD ask, "if you're worth your yearly salary and can do the job well, why do you need insurance for being fired over poor performance?"

Buyouts should be compensation for the school for losing a coach some other school wanted.

LSU isn’t paying him a buyout, they game him a guaranteed contract.

Now, that they fired him without cause, they owe 90% of the remaining compensation.

 

[LeftofThaDial]

The sordid tale of LSU football, the Louisiana governor and a yearslong feud

Even for Louisiana, a place with a history of jarring political acts and unusual public behavior, Gov. Jeff Landry’s unfurling this week has been a bizarre jolt. But the state's politics have long been uncomfortably intertwined with LSU football.

sports.yahoo.com

Article i read a few weeks ago about LSU/Governers

 

[The Deliberate Stranger]

There is a long tradition in Louisiana of Governors being involved in LSU football, it’s a completely different animal down there.

They sure do, from demanding to call plays and assaulting referees. They done do take da foozball seriously down in those parts. They may be 49th in obesity and literacy but the one thing Louisiana got going for it is they're not Mississippi

 

[GopherTheJugular]

Not sure that's ironic, and prenups are very much a thing and should be far more common than they are.

The example I was giving was the opposite of a pre-nup. A pre-nup would list what I get to keep. My example was the future wife wanting a document promising things she GETS if we get divorced. That would be messed up.

 

[2nd Degree Gopher]

I question the buyout concept, as it seems contradictory in one regard. If you're getting a top-tier coach and that coach feels like they can succeed, why do they insist on a $10+M "golden parachute" if they fail? Shouldn't the AD ask, "if you're worth your yearly salary and can do the job well, why do you need insurance for being fired over poor performance?"

Not trying to be cute, but the answer simply is because they can. When a big knocker like LSU is looking for a splashy hire, the pool of names that will satisfy the masses is really pretty small. Would Kelly have turned down the job without the "golden parachute" provision in the contract? Who knows, but the AD wasn't willing to risk losing him to find out.