Long Q&A per STrib: Lou Nanne Q&A: There's no reason U of M can't compete

Here's the other thing about Minnesota.

More than probably any other Big Ten school, a lot of students live off-campus (and I don't mean just not in the dorms, but rather around the metro area) and commute. Those students aren't involved in campus life as someone in a smaller city like Iowa City or Lincoln would be where the college is the center of everything. The U also has a large number of international students who aren't going to be involved in traditional campus activity.

For those students, college is like a job - somewhere you go during the day to do your work, and then you leave it behind at the end of the day. If you view your college like that, you're not going to be likely to donate significantly to the school after graduation, either to athletics (which you didn't care about) or even the school as a whole. There isn't that deep seated identity with your school that exists at somewhere like Michigan, PSU, Notre Dame, or many SEC schools. At places like that, tens of thousands of alumni come back EVERY WEEKEND in the fall for football games. Some from thousands of miles away. That will never, ever happen here.

Combine that with the view among many high school kids that Gopher sports are not "Cool." That was the view when I was in high school 20 years ago (nobody wore Minnesota stuff - it was always USC, Duke, UNC, Florida State etc.) and from talking to people, that hasn't changed. If people don't grow up loving a program, it won't be ingrained in them to care enough to donate should they become wealthy.

We're no longer a commuter school. I can say that with confidence. We also have a smaller international population (by %) than, Purdue, Illinois, MSU, Indiana, Iowa so we can't use that as an excuse either.
 

They already have. Not just universities. Pretty much everything (except for political PAC...those seem to be swimming in money)

Inflation adjusted dollars fell off sharply around 2008 but are making a strong rebound as of late. University giving is the epitome of disposable expenses, it was to be expected but I don't predict the fall off will continue.
 

Sounds like the Gophers may have found their Pat Richter. Too old to be AD but man he has great energy and a "why not us" attitude.
 

Seems as though several GHers disagree with Lou on this.

The University of Michigan has to compete with the same professional sports teams that we Gophers have to -- Michigan certainly doesn't have any trouble with it.
 

The University of Michigan has to compete with the same professional sports teams that we Gophers have to -- Michigan certainly doesn't have any trouble with it.

Why do you think that is?

I work with a lot of Michigan natives/fans. Those people bleed blue and gold from the day they're born (unless they're Spartan fans, but I know VERY few). Even if they attend other schools, they're loyalty from birth is to the Wolverines. Being a Michigan fan is considered cool.

Virtually none of these things apply to Minnesota.
 


The University of Michigan has to compete with the same professional sports teams that we Gophers have to -- Michigan certainly doesn't have any trouble with it.

It is 45 miles from Ann Arbor to Detroit. It is not the same.
 

It is 45 miles from Ann Arbor to Detroit. It is not the same.

I spent a good deal of time in the area. It's basically a suburb of Detroit and a lot closer to where many people from "Detroit" live and work than downtown Detroit. With the amount of people that left the city the population center has shifted dramatically westward towards Ann Arbor.

Also what does Ann Arbors location really have to do with it? The small college town isn't the reason that stadium fills up. It's because the greater region and many outside of it are huge Michigan fans.

It's a big, national brand with a storied history of success. That's why they're able to fill it up and 'compete' with the pro sports teams. We're just making lame excuses for our Gophers.
 

It is 45 miles from Ann Arbor to Detroit. It is not the same.

Ann Arbor is in the suburbs of Detroit. The vast majority of Detroit sports fans live in the suburbs or exurbs of Detroit and not the city itself. It's pretty much the same thing -- Michigan has just been more successful.
 

Why do you think that is?

I work with a lot of Michigan natives/fans. Those people bleed blue and gold from the day they're born (unless they're Spartan fans, but I know VERY few). Even if they attend other schools, they're loyalty from birth is to the Wolverines. Being a Michigan fan is considered cool.

Virtually none of these things apply to Minnesota.

That's my point. Michigan has done a good job of creating an extremely loyal fan base. Minnesota has not, despite having similar competition from pro sports.
 



That's my point. Michigan has done a good job of creating an extremely loyal fan base. Minnesota has not, despite having similar competition from pro sports.

That is very true but being 45 miles away is not the same as being in the same city.
 

Ann Arbor is in the suburbs of Detroit. The vast majority of Detroit sports fans live in the suburbs or exurbs of Detroit and not the city itself. It's pretty much the same thing -- Michigan has just been more successful.

What would be the mileage point at where it is different than being in the same city?
 


44 miles.

45 miles from Minneapolis would be North Branch, Belle Plaine, New Prague or Winstead. That seems significant to me. I think if the U was where St Cloud is that would be helpful. They could have their own identity separate of pro sports.
 




This Minnesota v. Michigan debate is missing the very obvious elephant in the room: population. Michigan has more people, more jobs, more tax base, more GDP, more everything. The state has the money and the population to support all these teams.

Michigan was so successful in football for so long because it had a high population base to draw recruits. It is the 9th most populous state, and it used to be even bigger. Michigan football has declined along with the decline of the rust belt as a whole.

If you're a winner, you're likely to get big attendance and big money. The Big House wouldn't have 100,000 paid in attendance or that many seats if the team wasn't a historical winner. People were born loving Big Blue because Big Blue won. People give money to Big Blue because they love Big Blue because Big Blue won. Big Blue won because it was a big state surrounded by medium-small population states. Why do you think Ohio St. was Michigan's big rival? It's because Ohio has the population to produce recruits that can compete with Michigan. They're the big fish in the small pond.

I thought this was obvious, but I guess not.
 


This Minnesota v. Michigan debate is missing the very obvious elephant in the room: population. Michigan has more people, more jobs, more tax base, more GDP, more everything. The state has the money and the population to support all these teams.

Michigan was so successful in football for so long because it had a high population base to draw recruits. It is the 9th most populous state, and it used to be even bigger. Michigan football has declined along with the decline of the rust belt as a whole.

If you're a winner, you're likely to get big attendance and big money. The Big House wouldn't have 100,000 paid in attendance or that many seats if the team wasn't a historical winner. People were born loving Big Blue because Big Blue won. People give money to Big Blue because they love Big Blue because Big Blue won. Big Blue won because it was a big state surrounded by medium-small population states. Why do you think Ohio St. was Michigan's big rival? It's because Ohio has the population to produce recruits that can compete with Michigan. They're the big fish in the small pond.

I thought this was obvious, but I guess not.

Michigan also has two D1 football programs. I thought this was obvious, but I guess not.
 


Michigan also has two D1 football programs. I thought this was obvious, but I guess not.

Michigan actually has 5 D1 football programs. I thought this was obvious, but I guess not.
 


In the past, have Target/Daytons, 3M, Honeywell, Wells Fargo, US Bank, General Mills, and Cargill been contributors? You think with this small list of big employers, we could get the ball rolling. These companies are great for the local economy, AND they benefit from having a great University in their back yard.

Honeywell merged with Alliant Tech and moved to New Jersey back in 2000. Wells Fargo moved into their old corporate head quarters along 35W.
 

Lou is now on twitter as of today.
 

Michigan actually has 5 D1 football programs. I thought this was obvious, but I guess not.

Haha. You're right, but only two that are competitive or draw fans from across the state. Nobody is a Western Michigan fan unless he's gone to Western.
 




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