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Mike Leach has an incredible coaching record. His offensive scheme is remarkable and efficient. If you read the NY Times article, you'd think he was the kind of football intellectual genius we would want. The Pirate scheme is enticing. Falsely accused of belittling a players injury?

If we were making a movie about a football coach, I'd be all for this guy being the subject.

Hasn't anyone wondered why he hasn't been hired elsewhere if he's such a genius? If he's the 2nd coming of football then why isn't he working? Why haven't the TT fans demanded his return?
Has anyone really looked at the possible dark side of Mr. Leach?

This guy could be big trouble for the U...really big trouble.

And for all you Leach pushers...where's his defense? I thought a lot of you wanted a defensive coach. He doesn't have a defense.

Reusse pushes him now, but he'll be the first one asking "Why did the U hire this arrogant redneck?"
 

Been wondering this very thing myself today. There must be a reason he is almost begging us to hire him.
 

Your post is just plain uninformed:
-He's not working because he is taking the standard year off after being fired
-Large is a large vocal contingent of TT fans that are still up in arms (hit up any TT message board)
-I don't think he's a redneck
-Craig James
 

Suppose nobody else wants to hire him and we end up hiring him. If I was him I might be a little pissed off at all those other schools that didn't want to hire me and do my best to run the score up on them ever time I play them. Might not be all bad to hire him but I still think there is a reason besides "the standard year off" nobody else has hired him and he is begging us to bring him here.
 

GRGOPHER said:
Mike Leach has an incredible coaching record. His offensive scheme is remarkable and efficient. If you read the NY Times article, you'd think he was the kind of football intellectual genius we would want. The Pirate scheme is enticing. Falsely accused of belittling a players injury?

If we were making a movie about a football coach, I'd be all for this guy being the subject.

Hasn't anyone wondered why he hasn't been hired elsewhere if he's such a genius? If he's the 2nd coming of football then why isn't he working? Why haven't the TT fans demanded his return?
Has anyone really looked at the possible dark side of Mr. Leach?

This guy could be big trouble for the U...really big trouble.

And for all you Leach pushers...where's his defense? I thought a lot of you wanted a defensive coach. He doesn't have a defense.

Reusse pushes him now, but he'll be the first one asking "Why did the U hire this arrogant redneck?"
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(1)Well, he has only been out of coaching for 1 season and his name has come up at pretty much every single opening (Minnesota, Colorado, Miami). It's not like he has been out of work very long.
(2) Many TT fans do still want him back. They know it is an impossibility, so they still support TT, but yeah, a huge portion of their fanbase DO want Leach back.
(3) You're right, he hasn't had a ton of defense, but he wins. Does it matter if you win 35-20 or 20-10?
(4) Lastly, I think Leach is a lot of things but a redneck? Seriously? He's from California and he has a JD. He is a lot of things, a redneck isn't one of them.
 


So when he does get hired somewhere wut will people say?
 

I will give you alot of credit GRGopher

You have the nerve to come in here and say that *wink*. Grab your shield.
 

I agree! We need less Leach more Trestman!
 

Snake Oil salesmen past and present...

Leach is way less of a risk than Moss was and nobody wanted him either. Leach is the only available guy that can make the Gophers relavent again. The only guy in the last 40 plus years that put any life into the Gophers was Holtz.

Leach is very Holtz like.

We all knew Holtz was selling snake oil but we happliy bought it because it really did make us feel better. Brewster tried to sell his brand of snake oil but it reaked and few bought it and those that did got sick over time.

Leach may be a snake oil salesman too but his brand is very similar to Holtz's. It's called WINNING.
And man do we ever need a dose of that around here.

40 years is just too long.
 



GRGOPHER said:
Mike Leach has an incredible coaching record. His offensive scheme is remarkable and efficient. If you read the NY Times article, you'd think he was the kind of football intellectual genius we would want. The Pirate scheme is enticing. Falsely accused of belittling a players injury?

If we were making a movie about a football coach, I'd be all for this guy being the subject.

Hasn't anyone wondered why he hasn't been hired elsewhere if he's such a genius? If he's the 2nd coming of football then why isn't he working? Why haven't the TT fans demanded his return?
Has anyone really looked at the possible dark side of Mr. Leach?

This guy could be big trouble for the U...really big trouble.

And for all you Leach pushers...where's his defense? I thought a lot of you wanted a defensive coach. He doesn't have a defense.

Reusse pushes him now, but he'll be the first one asking "Why did the U hire this arrogant redneck?"
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What is this big trouble you speak of? Give into the Dark Side. Don't you know Darth Vader is the real hero.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
and his name has come up at pretty much every single opening (Minnesota, Colorado, Miami).
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Brought up (in Miami's case by Donald Trump) but he isn't being considered by any of those 3.
 

According to this NY Times story (From 2005) they stated that Leach was not popular among other coaches and has always been perceived as an odd duck. In a close-knit fraternity--like college coaches seem to be, perception probably breeds its own reality--just like everywhere else. There probably is more behind the scenes to Leach than what we know. But I have to wonder if the issues are based on facts or perceptions?

Look how fast perceptions spread here? It's not to much a stretch to believe that they would spread in a similar fashion in a coaching community. Although I doubt coaches take a break from watching game film to track a certain booster's flight plans. But maybe they do...
 




RodentInHawkHell said:
According to this NY Times story (From 2005) they stated that Leach was not popular among other coaches and has always been perceived as an odd duck. In a close-knit fraternity--like college coaches seem to be, perception probably breeds its own reality--just like everywhere else. There probably is more behind the scenes to Leach than what we know. But I have to wonder if the issues are based on facts or perceptions?

Look how fast perceptions spread here? It's not to much a stretch to believe that they would spread in a similar fashion in a coaching community. Although I doubt coaches take a break from watching game film to track a certain booster's flight plans. But maybe they do...
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Didn't all the other composers hate Mozart?
 


Maximus said:
Brought up (in Miami's case by Donald Trump) but he isn't being considered by any of those 3.
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You're right and I actually don't think he was really even considered here. My point was that the guy who started the thread said something about "well, if he is such a good coach, why isn't he being hired elsewhere?".

My point is that 1 year ago today, the guy was the Head Coach at Texas Tech and in his first offseason where it would be possible to hire the guy, his name is being brought up in every opening. He hasn't been out of coaching for a full season yet.
 

Texas Tech will coach somewhere. And he will win.
He will be back into coaching by the 2012 season.
 

Compared to Minnesota's defense, his Texas Tech defenses were amazing. And that was with TT having to play the wide open offenses of Texas Oklahoma and Okie State every year.
 


I posted these reservations of mine on a separate board, but thought they were applicable to the discussion here:

"It is obvious that Leach has a strong grass roots campaign going right now that is putting direct/indirect pressure on Maturi. Putting aside the personal and legal issues which are much easier to do for us as a fanbase v. making the call as an AD or President of the University, I still think there are some valid questions that make me question Leach's apparent slam-dunk hire status:

1. Scheme- this has been raised in a different thread but I believe there are both short-term and long-term questions if Leach brings his offense North. The long-term issues have been discussed in separate threads, but while there some advantages to having a unique scheme for the BT, there are also some disadvantages to having a heavy throw first scheme with the unknowns of the weather conditions, and the added pressure to the D.

But I'm selfishly more worried about how his scheme would affect (waste) a player with Gray's talent unless he adjusts it in the short-term. I think there is a decent chance in the next 2 years for a coach to look like a savior if there isn't a major overhaul in the schemes.

2. Recruiting- Not sure how valid it is, but have heard the complaints that Leach is not an aggressive recruiter and this would worry me as I don't think he would get the 2nd tier, top-100, Texas athletes as easily to come up North by default. It looks like his best recruiting class was in 2006 (with Crabtree) when TT finished 5th in the conference rankings. Even after winning years, his 2007 and 2008 classes both ended up 10th in the Big 12. I just don't think Leach would be able to overcome bottom half recruiting classes in the Big 10 and compete for the conference top.

It seems like the biggest argument for him is that he just wins baby. This is true based upon his record at TT. However, if you take into account the Mason effect to the non-conference scheduling (it's pretty bad other than TCU one year), and combine that with the fact that other than Texas and Oklahoma, most of the years the rest of the Big 12 opponents are rather meh opponents, I'm not so sure his record is over-inflating his value. Nebraska during most of those years was certainly not the Nebraska of 09. I just don't think that the conference was as tough on the bottom half as the Big 10 and so it was not necessarily that tough to go 5-3 in the conference and look solid with your weak non-conference schedule.

I'm sure there are many with more knowledge of his background and situation and I'd like to be more convinced on him (even if a moot point), but thought that this board and general public were kind of taking for granted what type of hire he would be."
 

Since none of you know anything more than I do about football, and since this is a "board", let me suggest:
1. He will not get hired this year by any BCS school. Not Miami, Not Indiana, not.... You heard it right here. The man is toxic in the view of the people who make decisions (I'm not saying he is, toxic, but he's viewed that way by people who make these decisions....well maybe Miami might take a chance on him).
2. Posters act as if he's the only one who can win here. As Leach said in the Phil's blog...(paraphrasing) "you can do it here like they did at Iowa and Wisconsin...you just need the right coach"). There are other coaches who are more likely to build a sustainable winning program here. Leach does not have a corner on this.
3. Minnesota is too politically correct to ever go this route....just not going to happen.
4. Is the AIR RAID the best fit for the personnel we have and are likely to get. No the PISTOL offense is.
5. Defense is what matters. Someone said, so what if we win 35-20 vs 20-10. The opposite can be true as well. Do you feel better losing 40-37? It's still a loss.
6. The guy is not too smart...he files a lawsuit against ESPN in the middle of the time teams are looking for coaches. While I know he's trying to clear his name so he can get hired, did he not have a clue that he would need to do this (arrogant or stupid?).
7. Yeah he's sat out a year but I have not seen a vacancy yet that was created to hire him (or even mentioned him as their very first choice...except on this board).

Having said all this, I would be for hiring Leach if you could get him to accept a contract that had a strong clause that he could be fired at the AD's whim w/o a buyout during the 1st 4 years and he will never go for that.
 


Debbie Downer!

1. Grad rate of players 79%
2. 6th best grad rate in the NCAA
3. 79-43 record at TT
4. 10 Bowl games
5. Try this on for size. Scored 70 points against Nebraska
6. And maybe you forgot. Down 31 points at halftime against the Gophers and came back to win
7. Dress code: Likes a sport coat with silver tab jeans, western belt buckle, black leather cowboy boats. So is that what qualifies him as a "redneck" ?
:confused:
 

fencejumpers said:
I posted these reservations of mine on a separate board, but thought they were applicable to the discussion here:

"It is obvious that Leach has a strong grass roots campaign going right now that is putting direct/indirect pressure on Maturi. Putting aside the personal and legal issues which are much easier to do for us as a fanbase v. making the call as an AD or President of the University, I still think there are some valid questions that make me question Leach's apparent slam-dunk hire status:

1. Scheme- this has been raised in a different thread but I believe there are both short-term and long-term questions if Leach brings his offense North. The long-term issues have been discussed in separate threads, but while there some advantages to having a unique scheme for the BT, there are also some disadvantages to having a heavy throw first scheme with the unknowns of the weather conditions, and the added pressure to the D.

But I'm selfishly more worried about how his scheme would affect (waste) a player with Gray's talent unless he adjusts it in the short-term. I think there is a decent chance in the next 2 years for a coach to look like a savior if there isn't a major overhaul in the schemes.

2. Recruiting- Not sure how valid it is, but have heard the complaints that Leach is not an aggressive recruiter and this would worry me as I don't think he would get the 2nd tier, top-100, Texas athletes as easily to come up North by default. It looks like his best recruiting class was in 2006 (with Crabtree) when TT finished 5th in the conference rankings. Even after winning years, his 2007 and 2008 classes both ended up 10th in the Big 12. I just don't think Leach would be able to overcome bottom half recruiting classes in the Big 10 and compete for the conference top.

It seems like the biggest argument for him is that he just wins baby. This is true based upon his record at TT. However, if you take into account the Mason effect to the non-conference scheduling (it's pretty bad other than TCU one year), and combine that with the fact that other than Texas and Oklahoma, most of the years the rest of the Big 12 opponents are rather meh opponents, I'm not so sure his record is over-inflating his value. Nebraska during most of those years was certainly not the Nebraska of 09. I just don't think that the conference was as tough on the bottom half as the Big 10 and so it was not necessarily that tough to go 5-3 in the conference and look solid with your weak non-conference schedule.

I'm sure there are many with more knowledge of his background and situation and I'd like to be more convinced on him (even if a moot point), but thought that this board and general public were kind of taking for granted what type of hire he would be."
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I get the recruiting angle but he wins. Do you me a favor and check out his record against top 25 teams/bowl games and than compare him to Mason. I'm done with the whole weather thing.
 

Weather is the most overplayed thing in all of football.
The New England Patriots went 16-0 in one of the most pass heavy high scoring offenses of all time....in BOSTON.

The people who buy into the you can't throw the ball in the north angle are the same people who buy into the you can't run the ball out of the spread argument.
 

goldengophers said:
Your post is just plain uninformed:
-He's not working because he is taking the standard year off after being fired
-Large is a large vocal contingent of TT fans that are still up in arms (hit up any TT message board)
-I don't think he's a redneck
-Craig James
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I just "hit up" a TT message board (at scout.com) and they seem kind of mixed. They're talking about his lawsuits and call his fans "Leachers". They're only talking about him because of the Donald Trump thing, right now.

One guy wrote:

I've said it before- Leach and TTech were made for each other. We are both a little different. We both screwed up.

And probably,, neither of us will do as well apart as we would have together
 

Rosemountian said:
I stopped reading here.
I imagine there are many on this board who have forgotten more football than you have ever learned.
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So what's your point? That you have an imagination?

I'm not sure why you're so testy about a constructive discussion of Mike Leach. Are you related to him?

Geez...
 

glovedgopher said:
I get the recruiting angle but he wins. Do you me a favor and check out his record against top 25 teams/bowl games and than compare him to Mason. I'm done with the whole weather thing.
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I can't believe I did the work to answer your questions . . . did you know the answers? I calculated his record against top 25 teams to be a whopping 13-30? Is that what you wanted to show me? His bowl record was 5-4.

I'm not saying Leach is a bad coach by any means. My question is whether his "slam-dunk, can't believe we're not offering him" status is over-inflated simply because of his win-loss record. I think you missed my point or reference re: Mason. I'm not saying he is the same coach, but my point was that his win-loss record is inflated by TT's pretty lame non-conference opponents, just like it wasn't entirely fair to compare Brewster's overall record to Mason's due to the level of non-conference opponents.

If my questions on Leach's recruiting are legit, do you think it will be easier or harder for him to obtain the same level of players at Minnesota. If not at the same level as he was getting in Texas, isn't it a fair question to wonder whether his offensive schemes will get the Gopher to the level we want?
 

GRGOPHER said:
So what's your point? That you have an imagination?

I'm not sure why you're so testy about a constructive discussion of Mike Leach. Are you related to him?

Geez...
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Was your post about Mike Leach?
Maybe i will go back and read it
 

fencejumpers said:
I can't believe I did the work to answer your questions . . . did you know the answers? I calculated his record against top 25 teams to be a whopping 13-30? Is that what you wanted to show me? His bowl record was 5-4.

I'm not saying Leach is a bad coach by any means. My question is whether his "slam-dunk, can't believe we're not offering him" status is over-inflated simply because of his win-loss record. I think you missed my point or reference re: Mason. I'm not saying he is the same coach, but my point was that his win-loss record is inflated by TT's pretty lame non-conference opponents, just like it wasn't entirely fair to compare Brewster's overall record to Mason's due to the level of non-conference opponents.

If my questions on Leach's recruiting are legit, do you think it will be easier or harder for him to obtain the same level of players at Minnesota. If not at the same level as he was getting in Texas, isn't it a fair question to wonder whether his offensive schemes will get the Gopher to the level we want?
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Texas Tech

* 10 consecutive winning seasons
* 8 consecutive seasons with at least 8 wins
* 4 seasons with at least 9 wins
* 1 season with 11 wins
* 9 consecutive bowl appearances
* 5 bowl wins (most by any individual coach in the history of the program)
* 4 seasons completed with team ranked in the Top 25
* 19–11 record against in-state conference rivals Baylor, Texas, and Texas A&M
* 53–11 record at Jones AT&T Stadium, home of the Texas Tech Red Raider football team
* 2008 AP Big 12 Coach of the Year
* 2008 Big 12 Coach of the Year
Little better than Glen. Look at his conf record please and compare to Mase.
 

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