Leach Interview on Adam James / Firing

Donate To GopherHole



It's always a terrible sight to see a grown man calling out a kid. Good thing he took the high road on that one.
 



I have no problem calling out a "kid."
If said "kid" makes up a lie that costs me my job, I am going to come out with what I consider the truth too. Is he supposed to just say no comment and take his unjust firing?
 

He was a sophomore last year. He was probably 19, 20 at the oldest. At that age he's closer to a kid than anything else. Do you remember being 19?

The whole interview sounds like Leach whining about being fired. If you believe others on this board, the James incident wasn't even the reason Leach was fired. It was more of an excuse to fire him. The administration had grown tired of his antics and jumped on this opportunity to end terminate the relationship or so I have read.
 

cjcarter8 said:
He was a sophomore last year. He was probably 19, 20 at the oldest. At that age he's closer to a kid than anything else. Do you remember being 19?

The whole interview sounds like Leach whining about being fired. If you believe others on this board, the James incident wasn't even the reason Leach was fired. It was more of an excuse to fire him. The administration had grown tired of his antics and jumped on this opportunity to end terminate the relationship or so I have read.
Click to expand...

In the interview he actually whines about his father more than he whines about Adam James.

Adam James was a lazy player who didn't give effort in practice and felt he was entitled to something. They treated him in a way that they hoped would change his attitude. His father became meddlesome, and instead of helping his sons situation, he worsened it. IN the end the family came up with a story that cost Leach his job.


You may be correct that they were sick of his antics, but without this incident (that may or may not have been anything close to what was described when originally heard) they had absolutely no grounds to fire him. That is why Leach is going to most likely receive a settlement worth most of his contract from TTech when it is all said and done. That is why Leach will likely receive a settlement from ESPN before that case ever hits the courts.
 

Rosemountian said:
I have no problem calling out a "kid."
If said "kid" makes up a lie that costs me my job, I am going to come out with what I consider the truth too. Is he supposed to just say no comment and take his unjust firing?
Click to expand...

Has it been proven that James lied? If it has then I retract everything that I have said.
 



cjcarter8 said:
Has it been proven that James lied? If it has then I retract everything that I have said.
Click to expand...

Has it been proven that Mike Leach locked him in a shed? (Which is how ESPN reported it).
They don't have to prove James lied. They are not accusing James of anything. It was james who accused Leach of something. And other than his word (that runs contrary to the word of others) there is no proof of anything close to that.

"Innocent until proven guilty" applies to Leach in this situation, not James. James has not been accused of anything.

If James is entitled to come out with all the backing of ESPN with his version of the story that costs a grown man his job, then the person he is accusing certainly has the right to come out with his version of the truth. It would be hard to tell the story of what happened in Leach's eyes without talking about the player in question. But you can say he was badmouthing a kid if you want, you can say he was whining about a kid if you want. If James had not come out with his accusation, Leach would not have spoken a word about James to the media. The James family brought it upon themselves. If you are going to accuse someone of something that costs them their job, you better have an understanding that they will come out with their version of the truth. If James didn't understand that Leach would come out with his version of the truth, then he was/is an idiot.

From what I have heard Texas Tech fired Leach essentially for insubordination when he refused to apologize or try to help the situation following James' accusation. But if Leach's version of the story says there was nothing to apologize for, his version of what happened is definitely relevant.
 

Rosemountian said:
In the interview he actually whines about his father more than he whines about Adam James.

Adam James was a lazy player who didn't give effort in practice and felt he was entitled to something. They treated him in a way that they hoped would change his attitude. His father became meddlesome, and instead of helping his sons situation, he worsened it. IN the end the family came up with a story that cost Leach his job.


You may be correct that they were sick of his antics, but without this incident (that may or may not have been anything close to what was described when originally heard) they had absolutely no grounds to fire him. That is why Leach is going to most likely receive a settlement worth most of his contract from TTech when it is all said and done. That is why Leach will likely receive a settlement from ESPN before that case ever hits the courts.
Click to expand...

+10
 

You're right on one account.. That Tech was looking for a reason to can Leach. The James incident landed in their lap and they took advantage.

That being said, you need to watch Friday Night Lights the series. In season 3, I think, watch how the McCoy's interact with coach Taylor. In case you missed it, basically the McCoys are a family with a highly talented QB and an overbearing father. Throughout the season, even the his kid is only a freshman, the elder McCoy is on the HC's case about his son starting in place of the teams current QB. That is the exact crap that Leach had to deal with in James.
 

Formo said:
You're right on one account.. That Tech was looking for a reason to can Leach. The James incident landed in their lap and they took advantage.

That being said, you need to watch Friday Night Lights the series. In season 3, I think, watch how the McCoy's interact with coach Taylor. In case you missed it, basically the McCoys are a family with a highly talented QB and an overbearing father. Throughout the season, even the his kid is only a freshman, the elder McCoy is on the HC's case about his son starting in place of the teams current QB. That is the exact crap that Leach had to deal with in James.
Click to expand...

There are parents like this all over the country. If Leach had one regret in all of his tenure at Texas Tech, it probably wouldn't have been how he dealt with this whole situation, it probably would have been offering Adam James a scholarship.
 



cjcarter8 said:
Has it been proven that James lied? If it has then I retract everything that I have said.
Click to expand...

There was a report on the 'shed' that James was 'locked' in, yes. Basically, the 'shed' is actually a media room, with ice and vending machines. The 'shed / electric closet' also had a broken lock, which has been that way for YEARS. I've heard that some reports mentioned there were guards posted at the 'shed'. The guards? Were some of the training staff. To make sure he was ok. Also, Leach had NO CLUE where James was during this time. He just told the training staff to put him somewhere dark (as was prescribed by the kid's doc.)

The only evidence against Leach was the video James recorded on his cell phone.

I can only imagine what my HS coach would have done if I went to practice with shades on, prescribed by my doc or not. It would have been much worse for me than for James, that's for sure. My point? I'd say probably half of the nation's football coaches wouldn't have put up with James schtick. Leach was just the unlucky bastard that got those cards dealt to him.
 

I've never seen people so obsessed with a coach before. Seriously guys, there's a reason he doesn't seem to be considered for these jobs. I'd bet that Maturi and others know more about what went on at TT than any of us.
 

Rosemountian said:
There are parents like this all over the country. If Leach had one regret in all of his tenure at Texas Tech, it probably wouldn't have been how he dealt with this whole situation, it probably would have been offering Adam James a scholarship.
Click to expand...

True dat.
 

GophersInIowa said:
I've never seen people so obsessed with a coach before. Seriously guys, there's a reason he doesn't seem to be considered for these jobs. I'd bet that Maturi and others know more about what went on at TT than any of us.
Click to expand...

Of course there's a reason.

Most college admins are nutless wonders. I've already uncovered this.

The positives still outweigh the bad. Which has been many's rallying cry for the hiring of Leach.
 

GophersInIowa said:
I've never seen people so obsessed with a coach before. Seriously guys, there's a reason he doesn't seem to be considered for these jobs. I'd bet that Maturi and others know more about what went on at TT than any of us.
Click to expand...

When you have an administration that has a history of being idiots, you have local media telling you no one is interested, and you have a guy with a great on field resume saying he would love the job, it is only natural for the fans to talk about it.

I am of the personal opinion that they will make a great hire that makes people forget about Leach. But if they make a bad hire and Leach was available, they will look like fools.

You can whine about people talking about Leach, but what else are we supposed to do? The season is over, there is no coach, the administration leaks no information, the local media has no facts...so we speculate. Let us have our speculating fun and don't get so angry.
 

Rosemountian said:
Has it been proven that Mike Leach locked him in a shed? (Which is how ESPN reported it).
They don't have to prove James lied. They are not accusing James of anything. It was james who accused Leach of something. And other than his word (that runs contrary to the word of others) there is no proof of anything close to that.

"Innocent until proven guilty" applies to Leach in this situation, not James. James has not been accused of anything.
Click to expand...

My statement was in response to you saying that you would have no problem calling out a kid who lied to get you fired and not referring to the burden of proof in a legal situation. All I was saying, is that if James did in fact lie about the situation that would change my opinion. I thought maybe you had info to prove that he was lying.

If it did happen, and there appears to be evidence (James video and player reactions to firing) that it did occur, then he should have been fired.
 

Most of the time, players will ALWAYS side with their teammates over their coach if given the ultimatum. Why? It's not the coach out on the field blocking for your arse. It's not the coach throwing you the ball and could leave you to hang out to dry on a short slanting route.

I've seen a 'schism' (haha) happen in the locker room before first hand. And the mutiny always ended up with the players vs. the coach. And never once with the players vs. other players.

My point is I'm not surprised about current players backing James over Leach. Why would they back Leach? He obviously wasn't going to be their coach any more, so there was no reason for it.

What you have to look at is the reactions of Leach's former players (the ones NOT on the same TTech team as James).
 

cjcarter8 said:
My statement was in response to you saying that you would have no problem calling out a kid who lied to get you fired and not referring to the burden of proof in a legal situation. All I was saying, is that if James did in fact lie about the situation that would change my opinion. I thought maybe you had info to prove that he was lying.

If it did happen, and there appears to be evidence (James video and player reactions to firing) that it did occur, then he should have been fired.
Click to expand...

Leach obviously believes he was unjustly fired and is innocent. I have no problem with him coming out with his version of the truth (which is what I said) even if it means talking down about a "kid" who made an accusation that cost the man his job. You claimed that I said James was lying. I never said I knew James was lying. I basically said evidence pointed towards the fact that the truth that was reported on ESPN was not necessarily the truth of what happened.

Have you seen the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZqvajnhZDU&feature=relatedIf that isn't proof that he was locked in I don't know what is. I have heard more former players come out in support of Leach than against him. In fact, other than James, I didn't hear anyone come out against Leach in reaction to his firing.
 

Formo said:
You're right on one account.. That Tech was looking for a reason to can Leach. The James incident landed in their lap and they took advantage.

That being said, you need to watch Friday Night Lights the series. In season 3, I think, watch how the McCoy's interact with coach Taylor. In case you missed it, basically the McCoys are a family with a highly talented QB and an overbearing father. Throughout the season, even the his kid is only a freshman, the elder McCoy is on the HC's case about his son starting in place of the teams current QB. That is the exact crap that Leach had to deal with in James.
Click to expand...

I'm by no means condoning Craig James' actions. Parents all over the country think they have to step in because they feel their kid is getting screwed. It happens from the first time kids play a sport. It's absolutely ridiculous that parents act like that regarding their kids athletic endeavors. This isn't a new occurrence, every coach puts up with it. That doesn't make it alright to supposedly lock a kid in a shed.
 

cjcarter8 said:
I'm by no means condoning Craig James' actions. Parents all over the country think they have to step in because they feel their kid is getting screwed. It happens from the first time kids play a sport. It's absolutely ridiculous that parents act like that regarding their kids athletic endeavors. This isn't a new occurrence, every coach puts up with it. That doesn't make it alright to supposedly lock a kid in a shed.
Click to expand...

Do you have proof he locked the kid in the shed? James is the one making an accusation, yet there is no evidence that supports his accusation. Such as assistant coaches, teammates, anyone, anyone... There was never a lock involved, and all the while James was being monitored by the training staff. James claims he was forced to stand, in his own video there are chairs in the room.

This is exactly what I am talking about. James makes an accusation that ends up costing Leach his job, and Leach has every right to come out and give his version of the story in defense of himself. If in his own version of the story he calls James a liar or a player with a bad attitude, so be it.
 

Rosemountian said:
In the interview he actually whines about his father more than he whines about Adam James.

Adam James was a lazy player who didn't give effort in practice and felt he was entitled to something. They treated him in a way that they hoped would change his attitude. His father became meddlesome, and instead of helping his sons situation, he worsened it. IN the end the family came up with a story that cost Leach his job.


You may be correct that they were sick of his antics, but without this incident (that may or may not have been anything close to what was described when originally heard) they had absolutely no grounds to fire him. That is why Leach is going to most likely receive a settlement worth most of his contract from TTech when it is all said and done. That is why Leach will likely receive a settlement from ESPN before that case ever hits the courts.
Click to expand...

Thank you at least one other person gets it right
 

cjcarter8 said:
I'm by no means condoning Craig James' actions. Parents all over the country think they have to step in because they feel their kid is getting screwed. It happens from the first time kids play a sport. It's absolutely ridiculous that parents act like that regarding their kids athletic endeavors. This isn't a new occurrence, every coach puts up with it. That doesn't make it alright to supposedly lock a kid in a shed.
Click to expand...

No, but it certainly adds up. That's not the reason he 'locked the kid in a shed', though.

Like I said already, Leach is soo much less at fault than most care to opine about. I've already disproven the locked shed bit, and how Leach wasn't the guy who put the kid in the media room in the first place.
 

Rosemountian said:
Leach obviously believes he was unjustly fired and is innocent. I have no problem with him coming out with his version of the truth (which is what I said) even if it means talking down about a "kid" who made an accusation that cost the man his job. You claimed that I said James was lying. I never said I knew James was lying.

Have you seen the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZqvajnhZDU&feature=relatedIf that isn't proof that he was locked in I don't know what is. I have heard more former players come out in support of Leach than against him. In fact, other than James, I didn't hear anyone come out against Leach in reaction to his firing.
Click to expand...

This article discusses essentially what we are discussing here. This article has 2 players speaking up on James' side. It also has Wes Welker in support of Leach.

1. There's a forum for him to state his case. ESPN is not that forum. If he believes he was wrongly fired, file a lawsuit (which he obviously did), which in turn creates a forum for stating his case. Making those statements on ESPN make him look bitter and immature.

2. I have seen the video and it appears to me that would be acceptable evidence that he was locked in a room.

Rosemountian
Senior Member

Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,005
Default
I have no problem calling out a "kid."
If said "kid" makes up a lie that costs me my job, I am going to come out with what I consider the truth too. Is he supposed to just say no comment and take his unjust firing?

It doesn't appear that it was a lie that cost him his job.
 

cjcarter8 said:
This article discusses essentially what we are discussing here. This article has 2 players speaking up on James' side. It also has Wes Welker in support of Leach.

1. There's a forum for him to state his case. ESPN is not that forum. If he believes he was wrongly fired, file a lawsuit (which he obviously did), which in turn creates a forum for stating his case. Making those statements on ESPN make him look bitter and immature.

2. I have seen the video and it appears to me that would be acceptable evidence that he was locked in a room.

Rosemountian
Senior Member

Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,005
Default
I have no problem calling out a "kid."
If said "kid" makes up a lie that costs me my job, I am going to come out with what I consider the truth too. Is he supposed to just say no comment and take his unjust firing?

It doesn't appear that it was a lie that cost him his job.
Click to expand...

1) you forgot to post the article
2) You can say it makes him seem bitter and immature, but fact of the matter is, if he is quiet, the story ESPN reported is assumed as true (as shown by you). This is the exact reason why he is suing ESPN.
3) I hope you are never on a jury of any kind.
So a kid shows a video of him in a "dark room" and forced to stand, then turns on the light pans around the room, shows chairs in the room, and you consider it acceptable evidence that supports the claim that he was locked in a shed and forced to stand? WOW
All this at the same time when the training staff said that there was never any lock and he was being monitored by the training staff?
If you are ever on the jury, the person who is being accused is screwed royally.
4) Are you honestly arguing that the James incident wasn't what cost Leach his job? Leach has claimed that he never locked James in a shed. "Locking him in a shed" what is the root cause of why he lost his job, whether it was the direct cause or not. So he has every right to share his side of the story, ESPECIALLY if it contradicts the accusations against him, and even if it causes him to badmouth a "kid" on TV.
 


Rosemountian said:
1) you forgot to post the article
2) You can say it makes him seem bitter and immature, but fact of the matter is, if he is quiet, the story ESPN reported is assumed as true (as shown by you). This is the exact reason why he is suing ESPN.
3) I hope you are never on a jury of any kind.
So a kid shows a video of him in a "dark room" and forced to stand, then turns on the light pans around the room, shows chairs in the room, and you consider it acceptable evidence that supports the claim that he was locked in a shed and forced to stand? WOW
All this at the same time when the training staff said that there was never any lock and he was being monitored by the training staff?
If you are ever on the jury, the person who is being accused is screwed royally.
4) Are you honestly arguing that the James incident wasn't what cost Leach his job? Leach has claimed that he never locked James in a shed. "Locking him in a shed" what is the root cause of why he lost his job, whether it was the direct cause or not. So he has every right to share his side of the story, ESPECIALLY if it contradicts the accusations against him, and even if it causes him to badmouth a "kid" on TV.
Click to expand...

Click on the word article.

He can state his case without talking trash about James. How about he just reads the Doctors letter and leaves it at that.
 

Rosemountian said:
Leach obviously believes he was unjustly fired and is innocent. I have no problem with him coming out with his version of the truth (which is what I said) even if it means talking down about a "kid" who made an accusation that cost the man his job. You claimed that I said James was lying. I never said I knew James was lying. I basically said evidence pointed towards the fact that the truth that was reported on ESPN was not necessarily the truth of what happened.

Have you seen the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZqvajnhZDU&feature=relatedIf that isn't proof that he was locked in I don't know what is. I have heard more former players come out in support of Leach than against him. In fact, other than James, I didn't hear anyone come out against Leach in reaction to his firing.
Click to expand...

You are all over the place with your stance on this. So is it enough evidence or not make up your mind.

In my opinion, hiring Leach creates more issues than solutions.
 

You must log in or register to reply here.



Top Bottom