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It's a Pig Man! said:
I agree, comments like this just make B1G fans seem pompous.
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No, when the Big Ten is far superior to the Big 12 in terms of financial value, fan interest and league stability, and better academic-wise as well, it's fair to say the Big Ten is a superior conference to the Big XII. If it wasn't superior, Nebraska never would've switched.
 

dpodoll68 said:
OK. In this hypothetical scenario of yours, the leading team keeps declining the free throws in order to keep the clock moving (as I can't imagine any other reason why anyone would want to turn down free points). So the trailing team empties their bench over the last 60 seconds (or whatever) and orders their players to foul immediately in order to stop the clock. Play is stopped literally once per second of game time until the trailing team has exhausted all of its surplus fouls.

And you find the above scenario to be preferable to watching teams shoot some free throws?
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no different that what could happen ( but doesn't happen) in football... 1st and goal at the 1... offense runs fade. corner tackled the WR as the ball is hiked.. penalty 'cost' to the D is only 18 inches.. repeat.. cost is 9 inches... repeat.. cost is 4.5 inches... repeat 500 times until the QB fumbles the snap or the quarter runs down to 1 play and the offense is forced to kick a FG.
 

scher215 said:
If you foul a poor free throw shooter (like Dwight Howard) and he misses both (decent chance) and you get the rebound (good chance) you've essentially gotten a stop by fouling, a reward, if you will, obtained by fouling.

Sure it is on the offense to make their free throws, but I think his argument is, why can't the offense decline those free throws if they are terrible at them? Rule changes the NBA is considering after a season full of hack-a-Howard.

It would be like if in the NFL on any pass interference penalty the offense got to kick a 30 yard field goal. Well if you have an awful kicker, you aren't going to like that. And defenses can just hack your receivers the whole game and are essentially "rewarded" with the ball for it.
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+1..

but don't forget that KG took this to another level:
1 minute left..
Wolves down by a dozen.
KG with 7 rebounds, 1 foul.
KG hacks Howard for foul 2. ( announcer: "KG has not yet given up on this game!... what a fighter!")
Howard misses 1 FT.
KG goes after the rebound like a rabid dog.
KG with 8 rebounds
KG jacks a quick shot... misses on purpose.. Howard grabs rebound and is immediately hacked by KG.
KG with 4 fouls.
Howard misses 1 FT.
KG goes after the rebound like a rabid dog.
KG with 9 rebounds

etc until KG gets his '56th straight double/double' and gopherjake pronounces KG as 'the greatest rebounder in NBA history'.

1.) fouls should be declined.
2.) missed FT rebounds should not count as official stats.
 

basketball does need some rework... too many lulls. inject some sense from other sports:

1.) stop the formal substituting and just let guys run in/out like hockey. why should a guy need to 'report'? did he just wander in off the street?
2.) get rid of FT's except when deciding a game after 1OT... just like a hockey shootout.
3.) when there are 5 fouls, play 5 on 4 for 3 minutes and reset the fouls to 0.
4.) why take the ball out of bounds after the other team scores?
5.) why limit the type of D a team can play?
6.) why wait for a ref to 'check' the ball on an inbound? giving the D time to setup.
7.) why pomp and circumstances when a guy fouls out? 'we have 30 seconds to decide who to sub in'... the whole thing takes 5 minutes and you'd think the guy was marching to the gallows its so dramatic.
8.) why can't i kick the ball on D? i can play it off you face but not your foot?
 

dboy said:
basketball does need some rework... too many lulls. inject some sense from other sports:

1.) stop the formal substituting and just let guys run in/out like hockey. why should a guy need to 'report'? did he just wander in off the street?
2.) get rid of FT's except when deciding a game after 1OT... just like a hockey shootout.
3.) when there are 5 fouls, play 5 on 4 for 3 minutes and reset the fouls to 0.
4.) why take the ball out of bounds after the other team scores?
5.) why limit the type of D a team can play?
6.) why wait for a ref to 'check' the ball on an inbound? giving the D time to setup.
7.) why pomp and circumstances when a guy fouls out? 'we have 30 seconds to decide who to sub in'... the whole thing takes 5 minutes and you'd think the guy was marching to the gallows its so dramatic.
8.) why can't i kick the ball on D? i can play it off you face but not your foot?
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This is a basketball forum. Please feel free to post your weird ideal of sports elsewhere.
 


dboy said:
basketball does need some rework... too many lulls. inject some sense from other sports:

1.) stop the formal substituting and just let guys run in/out like hockey. why should a guy need to 'report'? did he just wander in off the street?
2.) get rid of FT's except when deciding a game after 1OT... just like a hockey shootout.
3.) when there are 5 fouls, play 5 on 4 for 3 minutes and reset the fouls to 0.
4.) why take the ball out of bounds after the other team scores?
5.) why limit the type of D a team can play?
6.) why wait for a ref to 'check' the ball on an inbound? giving the D time to setup.
7.) why pomp and circumstances when a guy fouls out? 'we have 30 seconds to decide who to sub in'... the whole thing takes 5 minutes and you'd think the guy was marching to the gallows its so dramatic.
8.) why can't i kick the ball on D? i can play it off you face but not your foot?
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I take it you're a hockey fan.
 

"Jones was siting down with no fanfare, when about 1/2 way through Okafer walked into the gym to a loud 30-40 second standing ovation. He sat down next to Tyus. After the applause died down one fan yelled out "we love you too Tyus".

I'm surprised this didn't get more of a reaction. I don't really know the exact situation, but it seems pretty surprising that they didn't give him more love.
 

dboy said:
basketball does need some rework... too many lulls. inject some sense from other sports:

1.) stop the formal substituting and just let guys run in/out like hockey. why should a guy need to 'report'? did he just wander in off the street?
2.) get rid of FT's except when deciding a game after 1OT... just like a hockey shootout.
3.) when there are 5 fouls, play 5 on 4 for 3 minutes and reset the fouls to 0.
4.) why take the ball out of bounds after the other team scores?
5.) why limit the type of D a team can play?
6.) why wait for a ref to 'check' the ball on an inbound? giving the D time to setup.
7.) why pomp and circumstances when a guy fouls out? 'we have 30 seconds to decide who to sub in'... the whole thing takes 5 minutes and you'd think the guy was marching to the gallows its so dramatic.
8.) why can't i kick the ball on D? i can play it off you face but not your foot?
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As someone who records official basketball stats as part of my job, this would be a massive pain in the @$$ and would create chaos.
 

dboy said:
basketball does need some rework... too many lulls. inject some sense from other sports:

1.) stop the formal substituting and just let guys run in/out like hockey. why should a guy need to 'report'? did he just wander in off the street?
2.) get rid of FT's except when deciding a game after 1OT... just like a hockey shootout.
3.) when there are 5 fouls, play 5 on 4 for 3 minutes and reset the fouls to 0.
4.) why take the ball out of bounds after the other team scores?
5.) why limit the type of D a team can play?
6.) why wait for a ref to 'check' the ball on an inbound? giving the D time to setup.
7.) why pomp and circumstances when a guy fouls out? 'we have 30 seconds to decide who to sub in'... the whole thing takes 5 minutes and you'd think the guy was marching to the gallows its so dramatic.
8.) why can't i kick the ball on D? i can play it off you face but not your foot?
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Then the crowed couldn't go left right left right left right
 



One other thing that I thought was interesting and telling about their fan base. There were a group of guys sitting behind us breaking down everything about KU basketball (obviously very knowledgeable). A group of people dressed in Oklahoma garb walked in and they were shocked and confused. They finally wondered if there was a football game that day and maybe they played Oklahoma.
 

balds said:
One other thing that I thought was interesting and telling about their fan base. There were a group of guys sitting behind us breaking down everything about KU basketball (obviously very knowledgeable). A group of people dressed in Oklahoma garb walked in and they were shocked and confused. They finally wondered if there was a football game that day and maybe they played Oklahoma.
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Hahahahaha ... "oh yeah, we have a football team too, don't we?"
 

balds said:
One other thing that I thought was interesting and telling about their fan base. There were a group of guys sitting behind us breaking down everything about KU basketball (obviously very knowledgeable). A group of people dressed in Oklahoma garb walked in and they were shocked and confused. They finally wondered if there was a football game that day and maybe they played Oklahoma.
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Oh, it's all about b-ball down there, but the fans support any Jayhawk team. But when the football team is as bad as it's been lately, how do you not spend a ton of focus on your very successful basketball program instead. The fact that the scrimmage ranked far ahead of the football game in some fans' eyes is not surprising at all lol.
 

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