KSTP: U of M Compliance Staff Member to Travel on Road Trips

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What does this job pay and do I get to watch the games from the sideline? Might be time for a career change....
 

Lakeville Goldy said:
To answer the bolded part I think that is where the highest likelihood of inappropriate activity would take place due to the amount of money involved. Though men's hockey would certainly seem like a more likely candidate than women's basketball...

However, wouldn't Title IX dictate that they would need to have equal monitoring of men's and women's programs??? :)
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I would have thought with the recent issues the wrestling program has had, they would require a little extra oversight.
 

dpodoll68 said:
Color me unsurprised that a fanbase which glorifies widespread systemic academic cheating would mock and ridicule sincere attempts to foster a culture of compliance.
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We are mocking and ridiculing a naked public relations maneuver which is going to have no effect on actual compliance, and cost at least a little money.

And if anyone glorifies widespread systemic academic cheating, it is the University of North Carolina that still flies banners honoring the product of that cheating and the NCAA that allows them to do so.
 


bleedsmaroonandgold said:
We are mocking and ridiculing a naked public relations maneuver which is going to have no effect on actual compliance, and cost at least a little money.

And if anyone glorifies widespread systemic academic cheating, it is the University of North Carolina that still flies banners honoring the product of that cheating and the NCAA that allows them to do so.
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For the record, I am not saying it is an unwise or unnecessary PR move. This move was made necessary by our disgrace of an ex-athletics director who embarrassed the entire department, and whatever morons decided to hire him.
 



Quick tally of the Athletic Department staff directory shows about 340 positions--about half of which are not connected with a specific team like a coach or trainer. And people are critical because we're spending money for extra meals and and another room. Oh, the scandal and the waste!
 

bleedsmaroonandgold said:
Because I am willing to bet that if there were a coach intent on violating rules to further his/her career, that he/she would be smart enough to engage in their shenanigans when the compliance officer is not around.
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By that reasoning if they can't be around 24/7 ... not worth it?

Like say cops... or anything like that? That makes no sense.

Folks getting upset by this just have some myopic personal politics they slap on everything the don't understand / think they don't like.
 

A_Slab_of_Bacon said:
By that reasoning if they can't be around 24/7 ... not worth it?

Like say cops... or anything like that? That makes no sense.

Folks getting upset by this just have some myopic personal politics they slap on everything the don't understand / think they don't like.
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Do you disagree that, when faced with scandal and bad publicity, some bureaucracies will take steps that they know will have no/negligible actual effect in order to score PR points? I think it is pretty inarguable that that happens at least occasionally. I assume we can disagree about whether or not that is what is happening here without one of us having some "myopic personal politics".

There must be at least some PR component to this, because the U does not contact KSTP to announce every new assignment that they hand to some mid-level staffer.
 



Mulligan said:
Quick tally of the Athletic Department staff directory shows about 340 positions--about half of which are not connected with a specific team like a coach or trainer. And people are critical because we're spending money for extra meals and and another room. Oh, the scandal and the waste!
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I don't think anyone is ready to go out and torch dinky town over this...get a grip.

The fact is this "officer" is earning some sort of salary to do something that isn't entirely clear and is probably almost completely useless. Follow the coaches around? Keep a wary eye on those shady boosters in the corner? How can one officer keep an eye on 100+ individuals? This is just a symbolic gesture to either the staff or the public but I don't think either are dumb enough to buy it. Curious move by Coyle.

Maybe it would be money better spent on a marketing person? Billboards, tv, radio commercials? Or raises? Better benefits?
 

bleedsmaroonandgold said:
Do you disagree that, when faced with scandal and bad publicity, some bureaucracies will take steps that they know will have no/negligible actual effect in order to score PR points? I think it is pretty inarguable that that happens at least occasionally. I assume we can disagree about whether or not that is what is happening here without one of us having some "myopic personal politics".

There must be at least some PR component to this, because the U does not contact KSTP to announce every new assignment that they hand to some mid-level staffer.
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Yeah that's what I'm talking about, you heard of a thing happening you don't like, so something you don't know anything about must be exactly the same thing that bothers you...
 

A_Slab_of_Bacon said:
Yeah that's what I'm talking about, you heard of a thing happening you don't like, so something you don't know anything about must be exactly the same thing that bothers you...
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Obvious Symbolic PR move after the "scandal". C'mon man. It's pretty stupid all around.
 

Pompous Elitist said:
The fact is this "officer" is earning some sort of salary to do something that isn't entirely clear
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I think you mean isn't clear to you. Pretty sure it doesn't have to be. I'm also pretty sure it is clear to those that matter in this case.


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Pompous Elitist said:
Obvious Symbolic PR move after the "scandal". C'mon man. It's pretty stupid all around.
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It's only "obvious" if you buy into the narratives produced on this forum, by a bunch of anonymous folks who don't seem to have any knowledge on the department at all.

Honestly, around here I see more demonstrations of ignorance and/or some weird desire to apply personal politics to every story about the athletic department rather than anything else.
 


Spoofin said:
I think you mean isn't clear to you. Pretty sure it doesn't have to be. I'm also pretty sure it is clear to those that matter in this case.


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You're not good at insults. Also, why do you keep clicking on a thread related to a topic you care nothing about?
 

A_Slab_of_Bacon said:
It's only "obvious" if you buy into the narratives produced on this forum, by a bunch of anonymous folks who don't seem to have any knowledge on the department at all.

Honestly, around here I see more demonstrations of ignorance and/or some weird desire to apply personal politics to every story about the athletic department rather than anything else.
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I think it's odd you guys are getting so worked up about this. It's a waste, but relatively speaking, its a drip in the bucket.

Personal politics? What are you referring to? Generally, when debating one stakes a a position then uses facts, figures, anecdotes, or even something totally made up to defend their thesis. Repeatedly insulting other people and resorting to telling them they don't know what they're talking about without any supporting arguments says more about you than us.
 

As I mentioned in an earlier post, when I see Ohio State or Michigan do the same, then I will accept as a sign of the times. Until then I am on the opinion that this intrusion is a waste of money. Money that could be spent in better places, money that could be used to improve the product on the playing
field. I would doubt even UNC has employed this waste of resources.
 

Pompous Elitist said:
I think it's odd you guys are getting so worked up about this. It's a waste, but relatively speaking, its a drip in the bucket.

Personal politics? What are you referring to? Generally, when debating one stakes a a position then uses facts, figures, anecdotes, or even something totally made up to defend their thesis. Repeatedly insulting other people and resorting to telling them they don't know what they're talking about without any supporting arguments says more about you than us.
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Has anyone demonstrated any any actual knowledge about the department on this forum who has been making claims about it? Like those facts figures or whatever?

I think you can pick out the personal politics pretty easily considering the nature of the hubub about the interim AD and really anything about the department, the last disciplinary situation, etc.
 

Jack jones said:
Money that could be spent in better places, money that could be used to improve the product on the playing field.
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How much money? They charter...no extra cost. They have team meals in bulk....$10-20 per person? Maybe someone else traveling has an extra bed in their room or one hotel room?

We can buy Mitch a brand new glove for his right hand to go with the one on his left hand....Rose Bowl!!

Serenity now
 

Jack jones said:
As I mentioned in an earlier post, when I see Ohio State or Michigan do the same, then I will accept as a sign of the times. Until then I am on the opinion that this intrusion is a waste of money. Money that could be spent in better places, money that could be used to improve the product on the playing
field. I would doubt even UNC has employed this waste of resources.
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http://www.foxsports.com/ohio/story/ohio-state-expands-proactive-compliance-staff-100312

Ohio State's compliance officer travels with the Football team. This was implemented in 2012.

The compliance department has added seven staff members, bringing the total to 12 as of July, 2012, prior to the start of the current school year. One of those hires, assistant athletic director of compliance Brad Bertani, will "focus almost exclusively on the football program," the report said.

Former Ohio State basketball player Jason Singleton is another addition to the compliance staff. The report says Singleton previously "worked as a Money Laundering Specialist with a commercial bank, and most recently was an investigator for the NCAA enforcement staff for several years."

Singleton will oversee an "elite student-athlete program" designed to identity high-profile athletes most likely to be contacted by agents, runners or others who could potentially compromise the athlete's NCAA eligibility. His duties will also include dealing with complimentary admissions, student-athlete employment, social media and the monitoring of vehicles.

Compliance officers will travel with the team on road trips.
 

Jack jones said:
As I mentioned in an earlier post, when I see Ohio State or Michigan do the same, then I will accept as a sign of the times. Until then I am on the opinion that this intrusion is a waste of money. Money that could be spent in better places, money that could be used to improve the product on the playing
field. I would doubt even UNC has employed this waste of resources.
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This person will be on staff regardless. Paying for one extra ticket/hotel/meals per road game is a "waste of money"? It's maybe a few thousand dollars a year (at most). Where else would you direct this exorbitant and frivolous expenditure? The athletic department budget is at least $106 million a year. The expenses for this person to travel with the team is in the ballpark of 0.009% of the athletics department budget. Don't spend it all in one place!
 

A_Slab_of_Bacon said:
Has anyone demonstrated any any actual knowledge about the department on this forum who has been making claims about it? Like those facts figures or whatever?

I think you can pick out the personal politics pretty easily considering the nature of the hubub about the interim AD and really anything about the department, the last disciplinary situation, etc.
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Nope. For example, I know far more than the average poster here about what goes on in the athletic department due to the nature of my job, and I know probably 5% of what goes on over there. That doesn't stop everyone from shouting from ignorance and pretending to know better, though!
 

I stand corrected. Thank you for the information concerning Ohio State. I guess I misunderstood the original intent and thought the compliance officer accompanied FB and Bb on recruiting trips to make sure they didn't overspend. As to road trips, not sure what good they will do as the travel plans- number of seats needed on the plane, rooms at the hotel, meals at the restaurant are all predetermined.
 

Pompous Elitist said:
You're not good at insults. Also, why do you keep clicking on a thread related to a topic you care nothing about?
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I wasn't insulting you. You said their role wasn't clear and I simply pointed out it isn't clear to you (nor is there any reason it has to be). I'm assuming it's crystal clear to the person in that role. You need to be a tad less sensitive PE.


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A_Slab_of_Bacon said:
Has anyone demonstrated any any actual knowledge about the department on this forum who has been making claims about it? Like those facts figures or whatever?

I think you can pick out the personal politics pretty easily considering the nature of the hubub about the interim AD and really anything about the department, the last disciplinary situation, etc.
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I honestly have no idea what you're talking about. It seems to me you might be projecting your own prejudices onto an argument. Unless someone's politics are explicitly made known it's pretty dangerous to assume their positions.
 

Ignatius L Hoops said:
http://www.foxsports.com/ohio/story/ohio-state-expands-proactive-compliance-staff-100312

Ohio State's compliance officer travels with the Football team. This was implemented in 2012.

The compliance department has added seven staff members, bringing the total to 12 as of July, 2012, prior to the start of the current school year. One of those hires, assistant athletic director of compliance Brad Bertani, will "focus almost exclusively on the football program," the report said.

Former Ohio State basketball player Jason Singleton is another addition to the compliance staff. The report says Singleton previously "worked as a Money Laundering Specialist with a commercial bank, and most recently was an investigator for the NCAA enforcement staff for several years."

Singleton will oversee an "elite student-athlete program" designed to identity high-profile athletes most likely to be contacted by agents, runners or others who could potentially compromise the athlete's NCAA eligibility. His duties will also include dealing with complimentary admissions, student-athlete employment, social media and the monitoring of vehicles.

Compliance officers will travel with the team on road trips.
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It's really all pretty stupid if you think about it.
 


So we need to keep up with the big boys? Ohio State has a compliance staff of 12. What is the annual operating cost of that department in salaries, benefits, and future retirement obligations alone. Has to be 2-3MM++ per annum? Add in the cost to house, heat, cool, clean, IT. Then factor in opportunity cost on that money. Factor in inability to pay top dollar to good coaches, assistants, staff (this obviously doesn't apply to a top tier school like Ohio State).

How often does a school get pinched by the NCAA? Have any schools had to pay fines that approach the cumulative and aggregrate cost of a 12 man compliance department? Penn State had to pay a 50 MM fine? Once in ~65+ years of the existence of the NCAA? I would think annual quarterly in-services, notice of threat of dismissal for rules violations, etc would have a similar compliance effect for a small fraction of the cost. Pawn off the annual report writing to whomever. Payroll keeps track of receipts, files the reports. This is 2016 and should be electronically monitored/aggregrated anyhow.
 

Pompous Elitist said:
So we need to keep up with the big boys? Ohio State has a compliance staff of 12. What is the annual operating cost of that department in salaries, benefits, and future retirement obligations alone. Has to be 2-3MM++ per annum? Add in the cost to house, heat, cool, clean, IT. Then factor in opportunity cost on that money. Factor in inability to pay top dollar to good coaches, assistants, staff (this obviously doesn't apply to a top tier school like Ohio State).

How often does a school get pinched by the NCAA? Have any schools had to pay fines that approach the cumulative and aggregrate cost of a 12 man compliance department? Penn State had to pay a 50 MM fine? Once in ~65+ years of the existence of the NCAA? I would think annual quarterly in-services, notice of threat of dismissal for rules violations, etc would have a similar compliance effect for a small fraction of the cost. Pawn off the annual report writing to whomever. Payroll keeps track of receipts, files the reports. This is 2016 and should be electronically monitored/aggregrated anyhow.
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The military, police, judges, public defenders, etc., etc. cost the taxpayer an unbelievable amount of money. If only people didn't lie, cheat, steal, assault, murder, or fight wars, we wouldn't need any of them.

The fact that universities aren't constantly paying huge fines makes the argument for why compliance staffs are needed, not the other way around.
 

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