Kill's sideline antics

[everybody knows my name]

To be fair, Van Gogh probably screamed when he lopped his ear off.

I always imagined Van Gogh's self-surgery was more of a snip-snipping than a lopping.

My 2 cents: the letter writer didn't complain that Kill was "screaming," as the original poster said. He complained that Kill behaved in an undisciplined way. To use the word "scream" is to put words in someone else's mouth, and to mischaracterize their argument.

Of course we all should strive to be disciplined and civil in our public and private lives. Coach Kill's life is more public than most. Of course it would be better if he could keep himself more under control; better for his health, and the refs would probably take him more seriously, too.

But I believe coach Kill was going bananas for a reason, and I don't blame him for flying off the handle.

 

[GophersInIowa]

I always imagined Van Gogh's self-surgery was more of a snip-snipping than a lopping.

My 2 cents: the letter writer didn't complain that Kill was "screaming," as the original poster said. He complained that Kill behaved in an undisciplined way. To use the word "scream" is to put words in someone else's mouth, and to mischaracterize their argument.

Of course we all should strive to be disciplined and civil in our public and private lives. Coach Kill's life is more public than most. Of course it would be better if he could keep himself more under control; better for his health, and the refs would probably take him more seriously, too.

But I believe coach Kill was going bananas for a reason, and I don't blame him for flying off the handle.

Some of them, yes. But coaches know that many refs are easily influenced.

 

[Sportsfan24]

I always imagined Van Gogh's self-surgery was more of a snip-snipping than a lopping.

My 2 cents: the letter writer didn't complain that Kill was "screaming," as the original poster said. He complained that Kill behaved in an undisciplined way. To use the word "scream" is to put words in someone else's mouth, and to mischaracterize their argument.

Of course we all should strive to be disciplined and civil in our public and private lives. Coach Kill's life is more public than most. Of course it would be better if he could keep himself more under control; better for his health, and the refs would probably take him more seriously, too.

But I believe coach Kill was going bananas for a reason, and I don't blame him for flying off the handle.

Great take.

I would like to admit as a coach I'm much closer to the coach Kill method than I am to coach Frazier. I'm also right or wrong, usually embarrassed after I do go "off".

 

[Bob_Loblaw]

I always imagined Van Gogh's self-surgery was more of a snip-snipping than a lopping.

My 2 cents: the letter writer didn't complain that Kill was "screaming," as the original poster said. He complained that Kill behaved in an undisciplined way. To use the word "scream" is to put words in someone else's mouth, and to mischaracterize their argument.

Of course we all should strive to be disciplined and civil in our public and private lives. Coach Kill's life is more public than most. Of course it would be better if he could keep himself more under control; better for his health, and the refs would probably take him more seriously, too.

But I believe coach Kill was going bananas for a reason, and I don't blame him for flying off the handle.

Good take, but there is also a different code and expectations at different jobs. At my job, if I didn't get things my way, I am expected to show absolutely no reaction whatsoever, like I not only expected that result but I wanted it. Kill's is different, arguing about calls is simply what people expect from athletic coaches. It's a different code of conduct.

The same can be said with the comparison between coach and player. There is a different expectation between what you allow from a coach and a player. We all acknowledge that a player can show some annoyance with a call, in fact we expect it (lineman shrugging with curiousity after he tackles a DT, however, the amount we tolerate and expect from players is far less than from a coach. A coach is speaking for them, the custom is for the player to go back to doing what he does and for the coach to go crazy at the ref. It's just the custom of what we expect. I don't know if it's right or wrong, but it has nothing to do with discipline. He's disciplined to doing the exact custom that we expect, arguing a call for the players' sake.

I also don't think a coach arguing a call on the sidelines has anything to do with having an undisciplined team. Ever seen Bo Ryan on the sideline? His teams are incredibly disciplined. The same can be said for Tom Izzo, he has well coached, disciplined teams (Coach K as well).

 

[Lakeville Goldy]

I always imagined Van Gogh's self-surgery was more of a snip-snipping than a lopping.

My 2 cents: the letter writer didn't complain that Kill was "screaming," as the original poster said. He complained that Kill behaved in an undisciplined way. To use the word "scream" is to put words in someone else's mouth, and to mischaracterize their argument.

Of course we all should strive to be disciplined and civil in our public and private lives. Coach Kill's life is more public than most. Of course it would be better if he could keep himself more under control; better for his health, and the refs would probably take him more seriously, too.

But I believe coach Kill was going bananas for a reason, and I don't blame him for flying off the handle.

Good point. Not to berate the letter writer, but how would you define what Kill did as undisciplined? Did he get a penalty? No. Did he get a fine or suspension? No. Did he interupt the next play being called or run? No. Did he do anything to violate any rule in the game? No (unless I'm mistaken on the actual rules, but at least by the modern interpretation). At any time was he out of control to the point he would have violated a rule if he wasn't held back by someone else? No.

While his actions were animated, I would say he was disciplined enough not to cross any lines, which is the critical piece.

 

[everybody knows my name]

Good point. Not to berate the letter writer, but how would you define what Kill did as undisciplined? Did he get a penalty? No. Did he get a fine or suspension? No. Did he interupt the next play being called or run? No. Did he do anything to violate any rule in the game? No (unless I'm mistaken on the actual rules, but at least by the modern interpretation). At any time was he out of control to the point he would have violated a rule if he wasn't held back by someone else? No.

While his actions were animated, I would say he was disciplined enough not to cross any lines, which is the critical piece.

Are you possible confusing undisciplined behavior with unpunished behavior? Just because there were no consequences doesn't mean coach wasn't undisciplined. I happen to think he was undisciplined, but though I think it was a fault, I don't judge him too harshly for it.

 

[Deleted_User]

To be fair, Van Gogh probably screamed when he lopped his ear off.

I didn't think milk could get that far up my sinus from laughing so hard.