Kill readmitting himself to hospital to resolve seizure issues

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Best wishes for Coach Kill and his family, as well as the Gopher program and its fans.
 

Glad kill is taking care of himself but at some point the program is going to have to examine how this effects them and a plan moving forward. If kill can't get this under control 100% do you move ahead with a coach who you can't rely on to always be there?

I will get bashed for this post, but there are some serious longterm issues to address here.
 

Rosemountian said:
Glad kill is taking care of himself but at some point the program is going to have to examine how this effects them and a plan moving forward. If kill can't get this under control 100% do you move ahead with a coach who you can't rely on to always be there?

I will get bashed for this post, but there are some serious longterm issues to address here.
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Fair question, but VERY premature.

I'm no doctor and don't know the types of seizures coach is having, but with the somewhat limited experiences I've had with seizures, there's no doubt in my mind that they'll get a handle on his seizures. And when I say 'handle', I mean limit them to the frequency or less than the amount that he had since he's been here.
 

Rosemountian said:
Glad kill is taking care of himself but at some point the program is going to have to examine how this effects them and a plan moving forward. If kill can't get this under control 100% do you move ahead with a coach who you can't rely on to always be there?

I will get bashed for this post, but there are some serious longterm issues to address here.
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He hasn't been able to get it under control for nearly 20 years, at least. Even if he does, the history and perception hurts greatly. The question is when does the University admit their mistake and change course? One of the problems is, though, what type of guy wants to come coach here right now? Minnesota has put themselves in another bad position and there is not a clean path to climb out of yet another grungy hole.

Every step has been handled questionably. Another awful loss is the primary driver of Kill's macho tough talk of this past week (***-damn it I'm not stopping, blah blah, 20 seizures, so what, big deal, my wife is worried - who cares, etc.) turning into a complete changing of his tune and that of the University's. Sad.

It's good for the man to be at Mayo, but the route taken to get there has been pathetic.
 

Sad day for Minnesota sports....oh wait Lynx in finals, lol. I hope coach Kill gets his seizures under control and continues to be our coach but if not its back to the drawing board once again. Ugh.
 


Gopher Warrior said:
He hasn't been able to get it under control for nearly 20 years, at least. Even if he does, the history and perception hurts greatly. The question is when does the University admit their mistake and change course? One of the problems is, though, what type of guy wants to come coach here right now? Minnesota has put themselves in another bad position and there is not a clean path to climb out of yet another grungy hole.

Every step has been handled questionably. Another awful loss is the primary driver of Kill's macho tough talk of this past week (***-damn it I'm not stopping, blah blah, 20 seizures, so what, big deal, my wife is worried - who cares, etc.) turning into a complete changing of his tune and that of the University's. Sad.

It's good for the man to be at Mayo, but the route taken to get there has been pathetic.
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Week 4 and people are already jumping ship. Hey children, FYI.. There are lifeboats. It's called patience. Find some.
 

Formo said:
Week 4 and people are already jumping ship. Hey children, FYI.. There are lifeboats. It's called patience. Find some.
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You know better than that - it has nothing to do with it being week 4. The Gophers could be 3-1 and I'd be saying the exact same things. This is the Big 1?. Lifeboats get run over by barges and their 100k+ seamen with swagger-filled a$$es.
 

Gopher Warrior said:
You know better than that - it has nothing to do with it being week 4. The Gophers could be 3-1 and I'd be saying the exact same things. This is the Big 1?. Lifeboats get run over by barges and their 100k+ seamen with swagger-filled a$$es.
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Heh.

You said semen.

Still, your post sucked. Fact.
 

Gopher Warrior said:
He hasn't been able to get it under control for nearly 20 years, at least. Even if he does, the history and perception hurts greatly. The question is when does the University admit their mistake and change course? One of the problems is, though, what type of guy wants to come coach here right now? Minnesota has put themselves in another bad position and there is not a clean path to climb out of yet another grungy hole.

Every step has been handled questionably. Another awful loss is the primary driver of Kill's macho tough talk of this past week (***-damn it I'm not stopping, blah blah, 20 seizures, so what, big deal, my wife is worried - who cares, etc.) turning into a complete changing of his tune and that of the University's. Sad.

It's good for the man to be at Mayo, but the route taken to get there has been pathetic.
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If only Gopher Warrior was our AD... I'm sure we'd be the most successful and profitable program in the nation.
 



Formo said:
Week 4 and people are already jumping ship. Hey children, FYI.. There are lifeboats. It's called patience. Find some.
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Jumping ship?

More like deeply concerned about the fact that it's week 4.

The team has come out unprepared in 2 (maybe 3) of the 4 weeks. The team is making simple mental mistakes. The team is playing with little effort. And the guy who is in charge of fixing this thing is about to miss his second week of practice in the last 3 weeks.


Jumping ship? Not at all.
Talking about what should be done to plug the gaping hole in the bow of the ship? Absolutely.
 

Gopher warrior, please stop typing your cruel idiocy.
 


Best wishes to Coach Kill on resolving his health issues.

A lot of y'all might need to start contemplating the possibility that it might not be in Coach Kill's best interest to keep this job. Poor health + high stress = disaster.
 



Yeah, i'm thinking this is probably relatively serious. You don't check into the Mayo clinic indefinitely for tests. At least not routine tests. I have friends and relatives that have gone down there for tests (for serious diseases mind you) and its a pretty tight ship. They knew they'd be there for x nights at which point they'd come home resume their lives and await the results. Obviously that's not the case here.

Also, Souhan's column is classic 'read between the lines' journalism. A lot of times the media knows stuff they can't print and you can see that in the way they write their stories. For Souhan to suggest that Kill take the season off indicates to me that there is scuttlebut out there that this is more serious. It's possible he's making a wildly speculative statement with no knowledge of Kill's health, but I doubt it. That would be pushinng it even for Souhan.

Finally, id have to wager this IS affecting the team. Kill has to be at the very least a bit distracted by this. He probably knew before Sunday he was going in. That's not a trivial load mentally.
 


Prayers to Kill that they get this thing figured out so he can come back to work with some sort of piece of mind that he's got this under some control. Something happened the last couple weeks that's changed things in his body, so hopefully they can figure out what that is and it's nothing too serious.
 


Rosemountian said:
Jumping ship?

More like deeply concerned about the fact that it's week 4.

The team has come out unprepared in 2 (maybe 3) of the 4 weeks. The team is making simple mental mistakes. The team is playing with little effort. And the guy who is in charge of fixing this thing is about to miss his second week of practice in the last 3 weeks.


Jumping ship? Not at all.
Talking about what should be done to plug the gaping hole in the bow of the ship? Absolutely.
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Sure there's a TON of concern about the state of the program right now. That's not what I'm pointing out.

There's also a TON of rats jumping ship (read: trolls/posters acting as if we are a good team right that just has poor coaching).

You are right in that the team wasn't very prepared, is making huge mental mistakes and has 2 1/2 games of little-to-no effort. I agree. Those mental mistakes aren't fixable overnight, just like building a winning program. That's something that is habitual. And guess what? The past few years many of these kids have been coached by Brew.

I'm ok with concern and no doubt I'm concerned as well. But I also have come to grips after the NMSU that we aren't a very good FBS team at ALL. And like I said before, the difference between a bad FBS team and a good FCS team is very small. This past Saturday night proved it.
 

Formo said:
Sure there's a TON of concern about the state of the program right now. That's not what I'm pointing out.

There's also a TON of rats jumping ship (read: trolls/posters acting as if we are a good team right that just has poor coaching).

You are right in that the team wasn't very prepared, is making huge mental mistakes and has 2 1/2 games of little-to-no effort. I agree. Those mental mistakes aren't fixable overnight, just like building a winning program. That's something that is habitual. And guess what? The past few years many of these kids have been coached by Brew.

I'm ok with concern and no doubt I'm concerned as well. But I also have come to grips after the NMSU that we aren't a very good FBS team at ALL. And like I said before, the difference between a bad FBS team and a good FCS team is very small. This past Saturday night proved it.
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Gopher Warrior said:
He hasn't been able to get it under control for nearly 20 years, at least. Even if he does, the history and perception hurts greatly. The question is when does the University admit their mistake and change course? One of the problems is, though, what type of guy wants to come coach here right now? Minnesota has put themselves in another bad position and there is not a clean path to climb out of yet another grungy hole.

Every step has been handled questionably. Another awful loss is the primary driver of Kill's macho tough talk of this past week (***-damn it I'm not stopping, blah blah, 20 seizures, so what, big deal, my wife is worried - who cares, etc.) turning into a complete changing of his tune and that of the University's. Sad.

It's good for the man to be at Mayo, but the route taken to get there has been pathetic.
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This is one of the most ignorant and stupid posts ever!!!!

Your conclusions are totally baseless and dead wrong. I hate to get personal, but if that is how you think, then please go find another team to follow.

All the medical experts say that this can be controlled and will not have any impact in his ability to coach our team. They just need him to settle down for a while until they get it under control.

Will it affect the team? Yes, he is an inspiration on how battle through adversity.

With your remarkable insight and mind reading ability, why don't you go on over to a Hollywood gossip board and let everyone know who J-Lo is sleeping with this week.
 

Improvement should be seen immediately. Not in record, but in other aspects. This team is worse now than it was 3 weeks ago. That is very concerning to me.

The guy who is in charge of fixing it is currently missing his second week of practice, this also concerns me.


I'd give the first 1/3rd of Jerry kills first season an F. I'd say D-, but I'd be lying. You could find high school staffs that could get the team playing harder than they did against new Mexico state.


I'm very concerned.
Formo said:
Sure there's a TON of concern about the state of the program right now. That's not what I'm pointing out.

There's also a TON of rats jumping ship (read: trolls/posters acting as if we are a good team right that just has poor coaching).

You are right in that the team wasn't very prepared, is making huge mental mistakes and has 2 1/2 games of little-to-no effort. I agree. Those mental mistakes aren't fixable overnight, just like building a winning program. That's something that is habitual. And guess what? The past few years many of these kids have been coached by Brew.

I'm ok with concern and no doubt I'm concerned as well. But I also have come to grips after the NMSU that we aren't a very good FBS team at ALL. And like I said before, the difference between a bad FBS team and a good FCS team is very small. This past Saturday night proved it.
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It seems to me that he is doing the right thing right now. Untill it gets it under control he should not be back on the field, not only for him but for his family.

If he misses three or four weeks I'm not sure the state of the program is going to be that dramatically impacted. It has become obvious it is going to be a multi year turnaround. The next four weeks really are not going to have that much influence on long term prospects.
 

He is definitely doing the right thing for him right now. And that's good.



That doesn't mean I am not deeply concerned/disappointed with his first 1/3rd of a season.
 

Rosemountian said:
That doesn't mean I am not deeply concerned/disappointed with his first 1/3rd of a season.
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Of course. Remember coach saying he doesn't have a magic wand, he can't fix things in the time that us fans want them to be fixed? That kinda applies to the first 1/3rd of this season.
 

alchemy2u said:
All the medical experts say that this can be controlled and will not have any impact in his ability to coach our team. They just need him to settle down for a while until they get it under control.
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I wish that were true, but sadly you're mistaken.

On the subject of seizures in general -- In some situations where meds do not work as well as desired, surgery can be an option. Of course, even after surgery, medications are often prescribed and the advice to get a good amount of sleep, reduce stress where possible, etc. still applies.

In Milwaukee this morning, an epilepsy surgery was 'broadcast' via Twitter (status updates and pictures)... pretty interesting to read/view. A gal I chased back in my younger years, but who eventually decided she wasn't all that interested in an obese slouch like me, wound up marrying the neurosurgeron who performed the surgery at St. Luke's (Aurora HC). The broadcast was quite informative - a great patient education tool. If anyone is interested, a story with a link to see all the tweets is HERE.

I'm trying not to think about the fact that the patient was awake and speaking during the surgery. Amazing. It wasn't for an issue similar to the one in the above story, but I recall the first time my neurosurgeon told me what he was going to do to me... went over the procedure nonchalantly while I tried to take it all in without throwing up right then and there. I went into the hospital with the mindset of, "I'll be under, I don't need to worry about a thing.. my role is to just focus on recovery and rehab after... just lay down and let them do their thing, I'll wake up and they'll already be done." Can't imagine needing to be awake for something like this guy had, where they are chopping out pieces of the brain. Awesome that something like this can be done, though, and that providers are actively trying to improve in the area of patient education.
 

Generalized Tonic-Clonic Seizures
Author: David Y Ko, MD; Chief Editor: Selim R Benbadis, MD


Prognosis


The morbidity for tonic-clonic seizure can be high because these patients experience no aura and thus the seizure strikes without warning; minor injuries are frequent. Patients can have posterior shoulder dislocations and broken bones.

Potential complications of generalized tonic-clonic seizures include the following:

•Head trauma and trauma to the tongue, lips, and cheeks

•Vertebral compression fractures

•Aspiration pneumonia

•Neurogenic pulmonary edema

•Cardiac arrhythmias

•Sudden death

Mortality rates for seizures are low, but, amongst the epilepsies, rates for tonic-clonic seizures are higher. The incidence of sudden death is 24 times higher in persons with epilepsy than in the general population. Some of the risk factors for sudden death in epilepsy (SUDEP) include high seizure frequency (specifically tonic-clonic type), younger age, mental retardation, and polytherapy."

According to the United Kingdom National General Practice Study of Epilepsy, generalized tonic-clonic seizures resulted in an incidence of 1.21/1000 deaths per year, excluding other morbidity causes.

Since Jerry Kill is experiencing seizures of a lasting nature, and each of these seizures add lesions to the brain, he is risking significant injury or even death. A reasonable person would immediately seek a change of lifestyle if sudden death were a possibility, and it is a high risk possibility.If everyone at TCF stadium had a seizure like Jerry Kill did .16 people were likely to die that day. But since each seizure adds to lesions on the brain, the risk of death due to this injury is 1/100 per year with people with this injury type. Co factoring the mortality rate for Jerry Kill with this set leads me to believe that it is not an option for him but to retire from football. The risk to his life is to great to discount. This position is a stressful job because the last incumbent was terminated for failure to move the program forward. Since the program will likely continue to be moribund for the next couple of years, and most fans will not be deterred in reducing their call for change as they only look at football results and not the life of Jerry Kill, a major trigger will always be present on the job.
 

That text doesn't say what you think it says. It says "Mortality rates for seizures are low". The death rate is higher than the general population, but still low. It's clear that you have an axe to grind, but try making some sense.
 

Oneoldgopher said:
Generalized Tonic-Clonic Seizures
Author: David Y Ko, MD; Chief Editor: Selim R Benbadis, MD


Prognosis


The morbidity for tonic-clonic seizure can be high because these patients experience no aura and thus the seizure strikes without warning; minor injuries are frequent. Patients can have posterior shoulder dislocations and broken bones.

Potential complications of generalized tonic-clonic seizures include the following:

•Head trauma and trauma to the tongue, lips, and cheeks

•Vertebral compression fractures

•Aspiration pneumonia

•Neurogenic pulmonary edema

•Cardiac arrhythmias

•Sudden death

Mortality rates for seizures are low, but, amongst the epilepsies, rates for tonic-clonic seizures are higher. The incidence of sudden death is 24 times higher in persons with epilepsy than in the general population. Some of the risk factors for sudden death in epilepsy (SUDEP) include high seizure frequency (specifically tonic-clonic type), younger age, mental retardation, and polytherapy."

According to the United Kingdom National General Practice Study of Epilepsy, generalized tonic-clonic seizures resulted in an incidence of 1.21/1000 deaths per year, excluding other morbidity causes.

Since Jerry Kill is experiencing seizures of a lasting nature, and each of these seizures add lesions to the brain, he is risking significant injury or even death. A reasonable person would immediately seek a change of lifestyle if sudden death were a possibility, and it is a high risk possibility.If everyone at TCF stadium had a seizure like Jerry Kill did .16 people were likely to die that day. But since each seizure adds to lesions on the brain, the risk of death due to this injury is 1/100 per year with people with this injury type. Co factoring the mortality rate for Jerry Kill with this set leads me to believe that it is not an option for him but to retire from football. The risk to his life is to great to discount. This position is a stressful job because the last incumbent was terminated for failure to move the program forward. Since the program will likely continue to be moribund for the next couple of years, and most fans will not be deterred in reducing their call for change as they only look at football results and not the life of Jerry Kill, a major trigger will always be present on the job.
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Such an ignorant post, you really are a piece of work.
You have NO idea what his medical history or prognosis is, and yet you google some article and twist it to suit your agenda.
Really, really low and dirty stuff, IMO a bannable offense, really sick to be even responding to your post. Get a life.
 

Don't confuse morbidity with mortaility. "Morbidity (from Latin morbidus, meaning "sick, unhealthy") is a diseased state, disability, or poor health due to any cause. The term may be used to refer to the existence of any form of disease, or to the degree that the health condition affects the patient." The examples of commod morbidity for seizures, as the article states, minor injuries from falling.

Some of the risk factors for sudden death in epilepsy (SUDEP) include high seizure frequency (specifically tonic-clonic type), younger age, mental retardation, and polytherapy.
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He's 50, so he's not younger, he doesn't have an especially high frequency of seizures, doesn't suffer from mental retardation. The death rates, which are, as the article states, low are much lower when you exclude the populations that don't apply to Kill.
 

Rosemountian said:
Improvement should be seen immediately. Not in record, but in other aspects. This team is worse now than it was 3 weeks ago. That is very concerning to me.

The guy who is in charge of fixing it is currently missing his second week of practice, this also concerns me.


I'd give the first 1/3rd of Jerry kills first season an F. I'd say D-, but I'd be lying. You could find high school staffs that could get the team playing harder than they did against new Mexico state.


I'm very concerned.
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I wish Coach Kill the best, and I'm confident that the seizure issue will be resolved, but I'm with Rosemountain.
 

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