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Kentucky's finest. "Snapperlicious".

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Gopherthewin said:
Kentucky's finest. "Snapperlicious".

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Funny
Here are some other "funny thoughts"
Tubby has improved Minn. without doubt.
He actually is doing about as well as he did his last 2 seasons at UK.
So by comparison, what is making Gophers fans jump for joy was
"sub par" for UK. That is one of the main reasons Tubby left UK and
went to Minn. He could perform at the same level, yet not feel as much
pressure.
Do I think UK fans made a mistake in driving Tubby away ?
Not one bit
Bringing UK back to the top was a 2 part process.
Part 1 was Tubby leaving as coach.
Part 2 was getting the right coach.
We may ask: " Is Billy G. the right coach ?"
Fair question and I think the jury is still out.
One thing is for certain, we could not get to Part 2 without Part 1 taking
place first. If Billy is not the right person he will be gone and UK will
hire another person.
You must understand that the reason for most fans wanting Tubby to
leave Lexington was that they (myself included) felt that Tubby would
NEVER AGAIN return to the Final Four. Winning 20 games and making
the Tourn. is NOT considered success at UK. Therefore, it stands to reason
that Tubby was no longer the coach for UK since the goals of Final Fours
and Titles could not be met. It was a waste of time to continue.
The situation is much like the UNC situation of a few years ago.
UNC hit a slide with Matt Doughrtey but look at them today.

One other "funny thing "
I have read on this board all year long how Minn was going to hit the
big time once Tubby got his recruits.
Caution:!!!
Tubby's last 2 years at UK were his worst. He lost 25 games in 2 seasons,
was unranked most of those 2 years, had a record of 3-16 against Top 20
teams, and was out of the NCAA Tourn. the 1st weekend.
Do you know that all of that was accomplished with Tubby's BEST recruiting class ?
That's right, he did that with what was considered by
most college b-ball analyst with "THE NUMBER 1 recruiting class of that
year."
This is not Tubby Bashing. The games have been played and they are
in the record books.
Perhaps it was an " oddity " but I am only saying that "top recruits"
do not necessarily mean "top success"
By all means enjoy Tubby. We love that Minn. came calling.
He will get you 20 wins and make the NCAA Tour. some years but I
suspect that is the pinnacle of what he will do at Minn.
As for UK. We are down now, without question. But be assured, when
UK gets the right coach and people in place we will be back to making
Final Fours while Minn. is getting 20 wins and exiting the Tourn. on the
1st weekend.

Here is a prediction: Perhaps one of the Senior Board Members can file
it away like a " time capsule " and check it in a few years to see if it's
right.

Tubby WILL win 20 games each year.
Tubby WILL win the Big 10 once.
Tubby will NEVER advance to the " Elite 8 "

At the end of Tubby's current contract he will have built
enough good will at Minn. to convince the A.D. to hire
his Son, Saul Smith as his replacement.
 

hahahahahahaha. standard kentucky. got his front teeth knocked out by a chainsaw. good thing tubby got out of there.
 

I stopped at a restaurant in KY one time, ordered toast and coffee, and was offered KY jell as topping for my toast.
 

Umm, what? Did I stumble into a Deliverance recovery group?
 


24KGOPHER said:
Funny
Here are some other "funny thoughts"
Tubby has improved Minn. without doubt.
He actually is doing about as well as he did his last 2 seasons at UK.
So by comparison, what is making Gophers fans jump for joy was
"sub par" for UK. That is one of the main reasons Tubby left UK and
went to Minn. He could perform at the same level, yet not feel as much
pressure.
Do I think UK fans made a mistake in driving Tubby away ?
Not one bit
Bringing UK back to the top was a 2 part process.
Part 1 was Tubby leaving as coach.
Part 2 was getting the right coach.
We may ask: " Is Billy G. the right coach ?"
Fair question and I think the jury is still out.
One thing is for certain, we could not get to Part 2 without Part 1 taking
place first. If Billy is not the right person he will be gone and UK will
hire another person.
You must understand that the reason for most fans wanting Tubby to
leave Lexington was that they (myself included) felt that Tubby would
NEVER AGAIN return to the Final Four. Winning 20 games and making
the Tourn. is NOT considered success at UK. Therefore, it stands to reason
that Tubby was no longer the coach for UK since the goals of Final Fours
and Titles could not be met. It was a waste of time to continue.
The situation is much like the UNC situation of a few years ago.
UNC hit a slide with Matt Doughrtey but look at them today.

One other "funny thing "
I have read on this board all year long how Minn was going to hit the
big time once Tubby got his recruits.
Caution:!!!
Tubby's last 2 years at UK were his worst. He lost 25 games in 2 seasons,
was unranked most of those 2 years, had a record of 3-16 against Top 20
teams, and was out of the NCAA Tourn. the 1st weekend.
Do you know that all of that was accomplished with Tubby's BEST recruiting class ?
That's right, he did that with what was considered by
most college b-ball analyst with "THE NUMBER 1 recruiting class of that
year."
This is not Tubby Bashing. The games have been played and they are
in the record books.
Perhaps it was an " oddity " but I am only saying that "top recruits"
do not necessarily mean "top success"
By all means enjoy Tubby. We love that Minn. came calling.
He will get you 20 wins and make the NCAA Tour. some years but I
suspect that is the pinnacle of what he will do at Minn.
As for UK. We are down now, without question. But be assured, when
UK gets the right coach and people in place we will be back to making
Final Fours while Minn. is getting 20 wins and exiting the Tourn. on the
1st weekend.

Here is a prediction: Perhaps one of the Senior Board Members can file
it away like a " time capsule " and check it in a few years to see if it's
right.

Tubby WILL win 20 games each year.
Tubby WILL win the Big 10 once.
Tubby will NEVER advance to the " Elite 8 "

At the end of Tubby's current contract he will have built
enough good will at Minn. to convince the A.D. to hire
his Son, Saul Smith as his replacement.
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ENJOY THE NIT...LOSER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

24KGOPHER said:
Funny
Here are some other "funny thoughts"
Tubby has improved Minn. without doubt.
He actually is doing about as well as he did his last 2 seasons at UK.
So by comparison, what is making Gophers fans jump for joy was
"sub par" for UK. That is one of the main reasons Tubby left UK and
went to Minn. He could perform at the same level, yet not feel as much
pressure.
Do I think UK fans made a mistake in driving Tubby away ?
Not one bit
Bringing UK back to the top was a 2 part process.
Part 1 was Tubby leaving as coach.
Part 2 was getting the right coach.
We may ask: " Is Billy G. the right coach ?"
Fair question and I think the jury is still out.
One thing is for certain, we could not get to Part 2 without Part 1 taking
place first. If Billy is not the right person he will be gone and UK will
hire another person.
You must understand that the reason for most fans wanting Tubby to
leave Lexington was that they (myself included) felt that Tubby would
NEVER AGAIN return to the Final Four. Winning 20 games and making
the Tourn. is NOT considered success at UK. Therefore, it stands to reason
that Tubby was no longer the coach for UK since the goals of Final Fours
and Titles could not be met. It was a waste of time to continue.
The situation is much like the UNC situation of a few years ago.
UNC hit a slide with Matt Doughrtey but look at them today.

One other "funny thing "
I have read on this board all year long how Minn was going to hit the
big time once Tubby got his recruits.
Caution:!!!
Tubby's last 2 years at UK were his worst. He lost 25 games in 2 seasons,
was unranked most of those 2 years, had a record of 3-16 against Top 20
teams, and was out of the NCAA Tourn. the 1st weekend.
Do you know that all of that was accomplished with Tubby's BEST recruiting class ?
That's right, he did that with what was considered by
most college b-ball analyst with "THE NUMBER 1 recruiting class of that
year."
This is not Tubby Bashing. The games have been played and they are
in the record books.
Perhaps it was an " oddity " but I am only saying that "top recruits"
do not necessarily mean "top success"
By all means enjoy Tubby. We love that Minn. came calling.
He will get you 20 wins and make the NCAA Tour. some years but I
suspect that is the pinnacle of what he will do at Minn.
As for UK. We are down now, without question. But be assured, when
UK gets the right coach and people in place we will be back to making
Final Fours while Minn. is getting 20 wins and exiting the Tourn. on the
1st weekend.

Here is a prediction: Perhaps one of the Senior Board Members can file
it away like a " time capsule " and check it in a few years to see if it's
right.

Tubby WILL win 20 games each year.
Tubby WILL win the Big 10 once.
Tubby will NEVER advance to the " Elite 8 "

At the end of Tubby's current contract he will have built
enough good will at Minn. to convince the A.D. to hire
his Son, Saul Smith as his replacement.
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Tubby has 16 seasons with 20+ W out of 18.

Tubby has 7 conference titles in 18 seasons.

Tubby has 4 Elite 8 in 18 years.

So ODDS ARE, U R wrong.
 

24KGOPHER said:
Funny
Here are some other "funny thoughts"
Tubby has improved Minn. without doubt.
He actually is doing about as well as he did his last 2 seasons at UK.
So by comparison, what is making Gophers fans jump for joy was
"sub par" for UK. That is one of the main reasons Tubby left UK and
went to Minn. He could perform at the same level, yet not feel as much
pressure.
Do I think UK fans made a mistake in driving Tubby away ?
Not one bit
Bringing UK back to the top was a 2 part process.
Part 1 was Tubby leaving as coach.
Part 2 was getting the right coach.
We may ask: " Is Billy G. the right coach ?"
Fair question and I think the jury is still out.
One thing is for certain, we could not get to Part 2 without Part 1 taking
place first. If Billy is not the right person he will be gone and UK will
hire another person.
You must understand that the reason for most fans wanting Tubby to
leave Lexington was that they (myself included) felt that Tubby would
NEVER AGAIN return to the Final Four. Winning 20 games and making
the Tourn. is NOT considered success at UK. Therefore, it stands to reason
that Tubby was no longer the coach for UK since the goals of Final Fours
and Titles could not be met. It was a waste of time to continue.
The situation is much like the UNC situation of a few years ago.
UNC hit a slide with Matt Doughrtey but look at them today.

One other "funny thing "
I have read on this board all year long how Minn was going to hit the
big time once Tubby got his recruits.
Caution:!!!
Tubby's last 2 years at UK were his worst. He lost 25 games in 2 seasons,
was unranked most of those 2 years, had a record of 3-16 against Top 20
teams, and was out of the NCAA Tourn. the 1st weekend.
Do you know that all of that was accomplished with Tubby's BEST recruiting class ?
That's right, he did that with what was considered by
most college b-ball analyst with "THE NUMBER 1 recruiting class of that
year."
This is not Tubby Bashing. The games have been played and they are
in the record books.
Perhaps it was an " oddity " but I am only saying that "top recruits"
do not necessarily mean "top success"
By all means enjoy Tubby. We love that Minn. came calling.
He will get you 20 wins and make the NCAA Tour. some years but I
suspect that is the pinnacle of what he will do at Minn.
As for UK. We are down now, without question. But be assured, when
UK gets the right coach and people in place we will be back to making
Final Fours while Minn. is getting 20 wins and exiting the Tourn. on the
1st weekend.

Here is a prediction: Perhaps one of the Senior Board Members can file
it away like a " time capsule " and check it in a few years to see if it's
right.

Tubby WILL win 20 games each year.
Tubby WILL win the Big 10 once.
Tubby will NEVER advance to the " Elite 8 "

At the end of Tubby's current contract he will have built
enough good will at Minn. to convince the A.D. to hire
his Son, Saul Smith as his replacement.
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Hey, toothless!

How 'bout that Billee Gillispy!

What an F-ing moron.
 

24KGOPHER said:
Funny
Here are some other "funny thoughts"
Tubby has improved Minn. without doubt.
He actually is doing about as well as he did his last 2 seasons at UK.
So by comparison, what is making Gophers fans jump for joy was
"sub par" for UK. That is one of the main reasons Tubby left UK and
went to Minn. He could perform at the same level, yet not feel as much
pressure.
Do I think UK fans made a mistake in driving Tubby away ?
Not one bit
Bringing UK back to the top was a 2 part process.
Part 1 was Tubby leaving as coach.
Part 2 was getting the right coach.
We may ask: " Is Billy G. the right coach ?"
Fair question and I think the jury is still out.
One thing is for certain, we could not get to Part 2 without Part 1 taking
place first. If Billy is not the right person he will be gone and UK will
hire another person.
You must understand that the reason for most fans wanting Tubby to
leave Lexington was that they (myself included) felt that Tubby would
NEVER AGAIN return to the Final Four. Winning 20 games and making
the Tourn. is NOT considered success at UK. Therefore, it stands to reason
that Tubby was no longer the coach for UK since the goals of Final Fours
and Titles could not be met. It was a waste of time to continue.
The situation is much like the UNC situation of a few years ago.
UNC hit a slide with Matt Doughrtey but look at them today.

One other "funny thing "
I have read on this board all year long how Minn was going to hit the
big time once Tubby got his recruits.
Caution:!!!
Tubby's last 2 years at UK were his worst. He lost 25 games in 2 seasons,
was unranked most of those 2 years, had a record of 3-16 against Top 20
teams, and was out of the NCAA Tourn. the 1st weekend.
Do you know that all of that was accomplished with Tubby's BEST recruiting class ?
That's right, he did that with what was considered by
most college b-ball analyst with "THE NUMBER 1 recruiting class of that
year."
This is not Tubby Bashing. The games have been played and they are
in the record books.
Perhaps it was an " oddity " but I am only saying that "top recruits"
do not necessarily mean "top success"
By all means enjoy Tubby. We love that Minn. came calling.
He will get you 20 wins and make the NCAA Tour. some years but I
suspect that is the pinnacle of what he will do at Minn.
As for UK. We are down now, without question. But be assured, when
UK gets the right coach and people in place we will be back to making
Final Fours while Minn. is getting 20 wins and exiting the Tourn. on the
1st weekend.

Here is a prediction: Perhaps one of the Senior Board Members can file
it away like a " time capsule " and check it in a few years to see if it's
right.

Tubby WILL win 20 games each year.
Tubby WILL win the Big 10 once.
Tubby will NEVER advance to the " Elite 8 "

At the end of Tubby's current contract he will have built
enough good will at Minn. to convince the A.D. to hire
his Son, Saul Smith as his replacement.
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To correct more of the crap posted by this MF-ing racist Kentucky fan:

His UK achievements were not just 20 W and make the NCAA. In fact, 22 W was his LOWEST total in 10 years. He AVERAGED 26 W.

He won 1 NC, made 4 Elite 8 and 6 Sweet 16 in 10 years at UK. Those are in line with UK historical (all-time) averages.

UK averages 2 FF per 10 years. He fell 1 short.

He won 5 SEC titles and 5 SECT championships in 10 years, both in line with UK all-time averages.

He won 76% of his games and 72% of his NCAA games. He won 75% of his SEC games and 80% of his SECT games. All are right in line with UK all-time numbers.

He is African-American. Ah, there he is NOT in line with UK history.
 






24KGOPHER said:
Funny
Here are some other "funny thoughts"
Tubby has improved Minn. without doubt.
He actually is doing about as well as he did his last 2 seasons at UK.
So by comparison, what is making Gophers fans jump for joy was
"sub par" for UK. That is one of the main reasons Tubby left UK and
went to Minn. He could perform at the same level, yet not feel as much
pressure.
Do I think UK fans made a mistake in driving Tubby away ?
Not one bit
Bringing UK back to the top was a 2 part process.
Part 1 was Tubby leaving as coach.
Part 2 was getting the right coach.
We may ask: " Is Billy G. the right coach ?"
Fair question and I think the jury is still out.
One thing is for certain, we could not get to Part 2 without Part 1 taking
place first. If Billy is not the right person he will be gone and UK will
hire another person.
You must understand that the reason for most fans wanting Tubby to
leave Lexington was that they (myself included) felt that Tubby would
NEVER AGAIN return to the Final Four. Winning 20 games and making
the Tourn. is NOT considered success at UK. Therefore, it stands to reason
that Tubby was no longer the coach for UK since the goals of Final Fours
and Titles could not be met. It was a waste of time to continue.
The situation is much like the UNC situation of a few years ago.
UNC hit a slide with Matt Doughrtey but look at them today.

One other "funny thing "
I have read on this board all year long how Minn was going to hit the
big time once Tubby got his recruits.
Caution:!!!
Tubby's last 2 years at UK were his worst. He lost 25 games in 2 seasons,
was unranked most of those 2 years, had a record of 3-16 against Top 20
teams, and was out of the NCAA Tourn. the 1st weekend.
Do you know that all of that was accomplished with Tubby's BEST recruiting class ?
That's right, he did that with what was considered by
most college b-ball analyst with "THE NUMBER 1 recruiting class of that
year."
This is not Tubby Bashing. The games have been played and they are
in the record books.
Perhaps it was an " oddity " but I am only saying that "top recruits"
do not necessarily mean "top success"
By all means enjoy Tubby. We love that Minn. came calling.
He will get you 20 wins and make the NCAA Tour. some years but I
suspect that is the pinnacle of what he will do at Minn.
As for UK. We are down now, without question. But be assured, when
UK gets the right coach and people in place we will be back to making
Final Fours while Minn. is getting 20 wins and exiting the Tourn. on the
1st weekend.

Here is a prediction: Perhaps one of the Senior Board Members can file
it away like a " time capsule " and check it in a few years to see if it's
right.

Tubby WILL win 20 games each year.
Tubby WILL win the Big 10 once.
Tubby will NEVER advance to the " Elite 8 "

At the end of Tubby's current contract he will have built
enough good will at Minn. to convince the A.D. to hire
his Son, Saul Smith as his replacement.
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20+ wins and the NCAA tourney is subpar for KY? What do you call making the NIT two years after Tubby left?
 



They will call it Tubby's fault. Screw 'em.
 

Friend Of Tubby said:
The racist slugs get me going. Lies all the way down the line.
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RE: Racist Slugs ?

UK hired Tubby and let him coach UK for 10 years.
To say that UK is racist contradicts the fact.
You don't want to look at facts, just name call.
Tubby was the 1st and only choice to replace Pitino.
Tubby was also voted as being THE MOST POPULAR
person in the State of Kentucky a few years ago.
To say that Kentucky is racist because they felt
it was time for him to go makes no sense at all.

Is that your " Ace in the Hole " FOT ?

Your acting like a religious fanatic.
When a person has a different view than you, you lose control of
yourself and start shouting anything and everything to discredit
another and impose your views on others.
There is plenty to debate about Tubby and his coaching abilities
without having to stoop to playing the race card.

As for his accomplishments, they are his and I am not
trying to take those away. I noted in one of your ramblings
you pointed out all that Tubby " Has done " Past tense.
Because someone "has" done something in the "past"
doesn't mean they will do it again.
EXAMPLE: Final Four
Could you please provide the years that Tubby returned to the Final Four ?
I must have missed them.
Tubby has coached Div 1 b-ball for 17 years and been to the Final Four
one time. That " one time " was not with a team he recruited.
Never able to go back with his own players.

You just provide stats for what he DID IN THE PAST at another school.

Then you act like you know Tubby personally. I have no doubt that you
may have "once spoke to Tubby". Just like a person who meets a celebrity and then becomes obsessed with them. They act like they are
friends with the celebrity and know them better than most.
Tubby is without a doubt one of the most gracious men to be around
college b-ball. I am sure if he gave you an autograph that he was kind
to you at the time. He always is. I do wonder though if he could pick
you out of a room with 2 people in it.
You should consider changing your moniker to
"Someone who one spoke to Tubby" (S.W.O.P.T.T.)
 

Friend Of Tubby said:
Hey, toothless!

How 'bout that Billee Gillispy!

What an F-ing moron.
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I am not defending Billy Gillispie at all. He has been a MAJOR
disappointment. As I said in the first post, if he can't get the
job done, he will also be gone.
 


Handsome Pete said:
20+ wins and the NCAA tourney is subpar for KY? What do you call making the NIT two years after Tubby left?
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20+ wins and the NCAA tourney is subpar for KY? What do you call making the NIT two years after Tubby left?

Yes it is. I pointed that out yesterday.
20 wins and the NCAA tourn. is not a "goal" for UK.
UK wants to be a valid competitor for the Final Four and Title.

When a person becomes satisfied with something less than great,
they will never achieve great things.
 

20 wins and the NCAA tourn. is not a "goal" for UK.
UK wants to be a valid competitor for the Final Four and Title.
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What team doesn't want to be ?


When a person becomes satisfied with something less than great,
they will never achieve great things.
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This is a great quote. But why do you feel the need to repeat it here ?
 

24K wrote:

"I noted in one of your ramblings
you pointed out all that Tubby " Has done " Past tense."

Wrong, Jethro. Past perfect. Go find a grammar book and look up the difference between past and past perfect.
 


Seriously, does anyone in Kentucky have anything better to do then come onto a Gopher message board, rip on thier former coach and then go have intimate relations with their close relatives? I haven't found any evidence to the contrary here...
 

I think its getting to be time for the admins to take out the trash again.....
 

Major Difference Between KY and MN

The major difference between KY and MN is that MN has a much deeper talent pool to choose from for local players.

KY must recruit nationally to compete...Tubby can get the best two MN players each year plus one of the top players from any surrounding state and he has a top 20 recruiting team.

We have seen it work with Clem taking us to the Final Four...our issue wasn't with the players, it was academic fraud. Tubby can return us to the era with strong regional recruiting and outstanding defense.

I am fine with this.

KY may never again return to prominance if their fans continue to run off talent - both players and coaches. Who would want to play for them getting ripped every time a mistake is made...if I was going to put up with that kind of abuse...I would rather play for a good school like Duke or UNC so at least I get a decent education and quality of life with my misery.

Screw Kentucky and thier fans....suck it in the NIT.

I would rather lose in the first round to Texas than win the NIT. The NIT still stands for Not In Tournament and that just doesn't describe us...How 'bout you KY?
 

24KGOPHER said:
20+ wins and the NCAA tourney is subpar for KY? What do you call making the NIT two years after Tubby left?

Yes it is. I pointed that out yesterday.
20 wins and the NCAA tourn. is not a "goal" for UK.
UK wants to be a valid competitor for the Final Four and Title.

When a person becomes satisfied with something less than great,
they will never achieve great things.
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The grass is always greener isn't, it 24k? Tubby wasn't good enough because he only got you to the final four once in 10 years and now you're paying for that mistake.

What you fail to realize is that the college basketball landscape (much more parity across the country) has changed to the point where KY doesn't have the draw that it used to. It doesn't have the automatic recruiting advantages and the intimidation factor that it used to. It is simply a school with a great basketball tradition that hasn't won a national championship in a while.

It's the same delusion of grandeur based on the past that had UK fans talking about how Billy Donovan was going to leave FLORIDA to come back and coach Kentucky. Why on earth would he ever have done that?

You're going to have to come to grips with the fact that more than one championship in 10 years is nearly impossible to pull of in the current basketball environment with so many good programs around the country.
 

I predict Kentucky still won't make the Final Four in the next 10 years
 


Oldie But Goodie (From 2006)

Subject: I'm Not A Lawyer But... (LONG)

I would LOVE to defend Coach Smith in a hypothetical Court Of Public Opinion (as represented by SOME UK fans, not all). Imagine it going something like this:

Me - What is your dispute with Mr Smith?

UK "Fan" - Mr Smith does not live up to UK standards.

Me - What standards are those?

UK "Fan" - We have the #1 W-L record of all-time.

Me - What is your W-L record?

UK "Fan" - We have won 1915 games out of 2503 for 76.5% W-L record.

Me - Mr Smith is 229-62 for 78.7% W-L record at UK.

UK "Fan" - Umm, yeah, but he doesn't live up to our NCAA tournament standards.

Me - What is your W-L record in NCAA tournament play?

UK "Fan" - We are 98-42 (70%) in NCAA tournament games.

Me - Mr Smith is 21-7 (75%) in NCAA tournament games at UK.

UK "Fan" - Yeah, well, but it's easier to win NCAA games since more teams were added in 1975.

Me - What is your NCAA W-L record since 1975 then?

UK "Fan" - We are 67-23 (74.4%) in that timeframe.

Me - I just told you that Mr Smith has won 75% of his NCAA games at UK.

UK "Fan" - Yeah, but we expect championships at UK.

Me - How many championships have you won?

UK "Fan" - We have won 7 NCAA championships (in 67 years since the NCAA tournament began).

Me - That's 1 NCAA title about every 9 years then.

UK "Fan" - Yessir, that's right!

Me - Mr Smith has won 1 NCAA title in his 8 years at UK.

UK "Fan" - Umm, yeah, but UK has won or shared (about) 45 SEC titles in (about) 75 years of conference play.

Me - That's 60% of the time, you win or share the SEC title then.

UK "Fan" - Yessir, that's right!

Me - Mr Smith has won or shared 5 SEC titles in his 8 years at UK, or just about 62% of the time.

UK "Fan" - Umm, well, umm…

Me - I rest my case, your honor.

(5 minutes later)...

Judge - Mr (jury) foreman, have you reached a verdict?

Jury - Yes, your honor, we have.

Judge - What say ye then?

Jury - We find in favor of Mr Smith!
 

Getting back to the Turtle Man...

Look at what he has caused:

Too many turtles caught, critics say
Group wants fewer turtles harvested in Kentucky, other states
By Andy Mead
[email protected]

Save the turtles?

They aren't as awe-inspiring as whales, not as cute as, say, baby seals. But scientists and environmental groups say freshwater turtles will be in trouble unless commercial harvests are reined in in Kentucky and several other states.

The Arizona-based Center for Biological Diversity, joined by Kentucky Heartwood and two dozen other groups, has asked eight Southern and Midwestern states to end "unsustainable commercial harvests."

The numbers of turtles caught in those states has increased as demand for turtle meat rises in China, the groups say.

Kentucky has laws that protect rare species, such as alligator snapping turtles and chicken turtles. There are no limits on catching common snapping turtles and soft-shell turtles.

Alligator snappers and chicken turtles can be mistaken for the more common species, the diversity center said.

"Turtles are an important part of aquatic ecosystems, and this unsustainable trade needs to be stopped," said Jeff Miller, a conservation advocate with the diversity center.

John MacGregor, Kentucky's state herpetologist, could not be reached for comment Monday. Mark Marraccina, a public-information officer with the Kentucky Department of Fish and Wildlife Resources, did not immediately have a response about how the agency will deal with the request to tighten regulations.

At least one commercial trapper works on Reelfoot Lake in Western Kentucky. There's also a trapper who specializes in removing turtles from stock farms in that part of the state.

Turtles can live for 100 years, but they reproduce slowly. Removing just a few adults from a pond or stream can affect the turtle population for decades, the center said.

Because turtles live a long time in waters that often are polluted with mercury and other contaminants, they also are unsafe to eat, the center said.

The other states said to have inadequate turtle protection laws are Arkansas, Iowa, Louisiana, Missouri, Ohio, South Carolina and Tennessee.
 

I didn't read through all of the other posts, but did anybody else catch this line from the clip?

Hick: "Yeah you might find a bullfrog or two, fish attack (maybe I misheard this one), plus maybe a snake, haha"
Host: "Or typhoid?"
Hick: "Naw, that'd be water snakes"

Had to laugh at that one... It saddens me that I can pretty much guarantee there are a couple of these yahoos in Minnesota too.
 

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