Ken N. has to be the guy.

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Stan The Caddy said:
Sorry TJ, but you are dead wrong here. Nebraska ran plenty of triple option in 90's.

The triple option can be run out of several formations, including the I or the Power I. It obviously can be run out of the wishbone or the flexbone (which Navy, Air Force and GT often use). Heck it can be run out of the spread with split backs.

The triple option is named because the QB has 3 options of where to go with the football. He can give to the fullback (or one of the split backs out of the spread) on a dive, he can keep, or he can pitch to the I-back or halfback depending on the formation.
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Calling the offense the triple option is a bit misleading, it implies that they run the triple option every play. I know that with GT, although they are running out of the flexbone, the triple option is run only about 25% to 30% of the time. There are a lot of other plays, even passing plays, that can be run out of the flexbone.
 

RodentRampage said:
Calling the offense the triple option is a bit misleading, it implies that they run the triple option every play. I know that with GT, although they are running out of the flexbone, the triple option is run only about 25% to 30% of the time. There are a lot of other plays, even passing plays, that can be run out of the flexbone.
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Ramgape-

I did not call the Nebraska offense exclusively the triple option. You are correct, no offense runs the triple option on every play. You can run passing plays out of any formation, wishbone, flexbone, and Power-I included.

TJ said, "Nebraska never ran the triple option." That is flat out wrong.
 

I don't care if this guy runs the pistol, triple option, or the swinging gate! I just want a coach that makes us competitive and gives us, as fans, something to rally behind! All systems can work with the right personnel, coaching, and conditions. We need to realize that Kenny N has done it at Navy. They are at a recruiting disadvantage because of being a service academy and he puts a damn good product on the field. I would take him because he wins. That is all that fricken matters.
 

If we hire an option-style coach, can we at least all agree that Maturi has been reading my posts for the last few years?
 

Stan The Caddy said:
Sorry TJ, but you are dead wrong here. Nebraska ran plenty of triple option in 90's.

The triple option can be run out of several formations, including the I or the Power I. It obviously can be run out of the wishbone or the flexbone (which Navy, Air Force and GT often use). Heck it can be run out of the spread with split backs.

The triple option is named because the QB has 3 options of where to go with the football. He can give to the fullback (or one of the split backs out of the spread) on a dive, he can keep, or he can pitch to the I-back or halfback depending on the formation.
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I stand corrected. I was totally confusing triple option exclusively with Navy's offense. You reminded me that it is actually the "flexbone." I was trying to say Nebraska didn't run "flexbone" as it is run by Navy and its coach. My bad. Nebraska was an option team and certainly used triple option concepts with its I-formation and Power-I running games. Thanks for clearing me up.

Now, I'm really sorry for hijacking the thread.
 


tjgopher said:
I stand corrected. I was totally confusing triple option exclusively with Navy's offense. You reminded me that it is actually the "flexbone." I was trying to say Nebraska didn't run "flexbone" as it is run by Navy and its coach. My bad. Nebraska was an option team and certainly used triple option concepts with its I-formation and Power-I running games. Thanks for clearing me up.

Now, I'm really sorry for hijacking the thread.
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Do not apologize...I love discussing the intricacies of option football. :)
 

Oklahoma ran the Wishbone and Nebraska ran a Straight-I. You only need two backs in the backfield to run the triple (or "belly") option. Stoll ran the Veer (with the great Bobby Morgan at QB) and that's a cross between the two. It's just harder to pass out of the Wishbone.

My favorite Nebraska play in those days was when they would run an inside reverse to Johnny Rodgers, who would take an inside hand-off from the QB after a fake on a straight dive play. Trap blocking up front. Just an awesome play.
 

The funniest thing is that MN is now full of huge linemen and WRs from brews spread recruiting days.
MN has the people to run the triple option at 1 position, QB. And even that is tricky. You can't just assume a fast QB is a good triple option QB. Read option from the gun looking forwards is a different ballgame from facing sideways 1 yard from the LOS.
 

Ken is a great guy but this is only his third year as head coach - and he inherited a great program from Paul Johnson. The service academies do not have the same recruiting situation as a Big Ten team faces and the triple option would be a novelty but wouldn't work long term, which is why it isn't used. You have to be able to pass, too, to survive.

We need a head coach who has been successful in a major conference and can build a program here. Ken is like Calhoun and Sumlin - a big risk with minimal experience amd accomplishment.
 



Rosemountian said:
The funniest thing is that MN is now full of huge linemen and WRs from brews spread recruiting days.
MN has the people to run the triple option at 1 position, QB. And even that is tricky. You can't just assume a fast QB is a good triple option QB. Read option from the gun looking forwards is a different ballgame from facing sideways 1 yard from the LOS.
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You know, I have never actually thought about that. I'm sure its been brought up on the boards before, but that was basically a year of lost recruiting. Brewster brought in athletes to spread the field and went away from it in less than a year.

Wow.... Insightful
 

Wheaton said:
You know, I have never actually thought about that. I'm sure its been brought up on the boards before, but that was basically a year of lost recruiting. Brewster brought in athletes to spread the field and went away from it in less than a year.

Wow.... Insightful
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Wasn't trying to be insightful. But just to point out facts, the gophers people don't match that system at all. The gophers would have been better off switching to the triple option in 2007 than they are now. There are a bunch of oversized linemen, not many homerun backs, not really skilled running fullbacks, solid slot WRs (who I guess might become wings). The only position you "have" is QB, and you wouldn't even know if he was any good at it till the first game because it is impossible to simulate game situations.
 

Rosemountian said:
Wasn't trying to be insightful. But just to point out facts, the gophers people don't match that system at all. The gophers would have been better off switching to the triple option in 2007 than they are now. There are a bunch of oversized linemen, not many homerun backs, not really skilled running fullbacks, solid slot WRs (who I guess might become wings). The only position you "have" is QB, and you wouldn't even know if he was any good at it till the first game because it is impossible to simulate game situations.
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I wasn't being sarcastic.

I say insightful because I work in sports, I consider myself knowledgeable about sports, but for that to be right in front of my face and for me to miss it blew my mind.
 

It is hard to tell sarcasm with the negativity around the team right now ha.
 



Just a quick comment, Coach N. has had great success with the option, only because his teams have great discipline, great discipline is a given at the Service Academies, not necessarily elsewhere.
 

nsmike said:
Just a quick comment, Coach N. has had great success with the option, only because his teams have great discipline, great discipline is a given at the Service Academies, not necessarily elsewhere.
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He can run other offenses at different places. A big part of football is making adjustments. I understand there is a big difference between overhauling your offensive philosophy and having a safety roll over the top of a WR in the second half, but you get my point.

I also think there is something to that discipline, but I feel the coach can demand that anywhere he goes. Look at Bill Belichick in the NFL. The NFL is full of prima donas and Belichick has been one of the most successful coaches in recent NFL history with his "My way or the high way" approach.
 

The point is that Coach N. hasn't proved that he can inspire discipline. At the Academy it comes already instilled and reinforced in every aspect of their daily lives.
 

nsmike said:
The point is that Coach N. hasn't proved that he can inspire discipline. At the Academy it comes already instilled and reinforced in every aspect of their daily lives.
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With that logic, no coach can ever prove they instilled discipline because all colleges require a certain amount of self-discipline to get passing grades.
No coach could ever prove that they had good coaching ability because the fact that a player got a division 1 scholarship offer was reliant on the fact that they already were good football players.
 

If we hire a smart football coach he will blend in his preferred system with incoming recruits. In the beginning a greater percentage of the offensive plays will fit the current personnel.
 

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