Judd Zulgad: Saddest thing is Gophers prove they aren't that different after all

[MaxyJR1]

Masons first 8 win season was a 9 win season.

No he was 8-4 in 1999 and 6-6 in 2000. only 11 season games in those days.

I think I'm just as excited about Kill and staff and I was about Mason back then.

 

[maroonedinCA]

You mean we don't need an education to form an opinion, write?

When it comes to writing about amateur athletics, not really.

/btw, I'm just glossing over your overused [sic] joke.

 

[bleedsmaroonandgold]

Then your memory isn't great, or you're not thinking back to far. The Gopher's seem to find excruciating ways to lose games when ever there is something on the line.

Yep. I thought the scoop and score by the Illinois defense to win it when we had come from behind to take a lead in a game everyone took for granted after starting 6-1 was eerily similar to the pic six by the Northwestern defense to win it when we had come from behind to tie the score in a game everyone took for granted after starting 7-1 in 2008. Our opponents were even from the same state in both of those games. Hopefully this team responds differently.

 

[killme]

One man's "epic" loss, is another man's B1G road loss in a game they could have one with a break.

 

[DoubleAlum]

Educated enough? It's not brain surgery or complex financial derivatives. How is he not educated enough to right an opinion piece on an amateur sporting event? Just because he doesn't share your world view (or, likely, your belief on what his ultimate objectives should be relative to recruiting...) doesn't mean he's any less or any more qualified than you would be.

This kind of thought process always makes me think of the petulant children that scream "I'M RIGHT AND YOU'RE WRONG" while sticking their tongues out and covering their ears.

Marooned, I've always thought you were a very intelligent and articulate GH'er. I don't disagree with anything you wrote, with one exception. Allow me to try and explain.

Let's say you were married to the same person for 30 years and your spouse "let you down" year after year by doing some really hurtful things. In that case, I think it would be fair and reasonable to say to your spouse "same old, same old, you keep letting me down".

Then, you get divorced and marry a different person. That spouse keeps getting better and better each year, improves your home and family life, is great to your friends and makes life better for everyone around you. The new spouse has never let you down. All of the sudden, the new spouse does something hurtful. You turn to the new spouse and say "same old, same old, just let me down". That would seem really odd and inappropriate.

Well, it seems to me, that's just how stupid, lazy, unintelligent and unthoughtful the author of that article was. Not very educated or well thought out. This Minnesota Gopher team is operating under a completely different Coach, a completely different culture, a different Athletic Director and completely different players. To say that this is the same old, same old Minnesota Gophers is absolutely moronic to me. One regime has nothing to do with the other and the devastating losses under previous Coaches are irrelevant in terms of discussing what happened Saturday.

Ironically, I thought the article he wrote sounded like it was written by a petulant child with little analytical ability. If I were the guys boss, I'd tell him he thinks and writes like a little baby. Write something interesting and thought provoking for once in your life. How pithy and trite it is to write the billionth article about the Gopher Football Team being chokers and losers.

I hope this made some sense to you. But, if you're like most GH'ers, you'll focus on the analogy I made and tell me my analogy was awful and my thoughts were stupid and you'll intentionally fail to see the point I'm making.

 

[Myke]

One man's "epic" loss, is another man's B1G road loss in a game they could have one with a break.

You shouldn't need a lucky break to beat a team as bad as Illinois if we're being honest...I was extremely negative after the game like I think a lot of people were but I still have some belief in this team that they can turn it around. I think anyone who truly cares about the program will at least give them the Iowa game with an extra week to prepare before we declare this group "the same old Gophers".

 

[Spoofin]

, I thought the article he wrote sounded like it was written by a petulant child with little analytical ability.

Did you realize how close you were? Judd is a tool.

 

[Ole]

Educated enough? It's not brain surgery or complex financial derivatives. How is he not educated enough to right an opinion piece on an amateur sporting event? Just because he doesn't share your world view (or, likely, your belief on what his ultimate objectives should be relative to recruiting...) doesn't mean he's any less or any more qualified than you would be.

This kind of thought process always makes me think of the petulant children that scream "I'M RIGHT AND YOU'RE WRONG" while sticking their tongues out and covering their ears.

Don't you have badgers to cheer on somewhere?
Educated as in Judd likely checks the box score, watches ESPN highlights for 30 seconds and writes an opinion piece based on that 1:30 of research. He's lazy, and not interested in college football until he's got an easy target to shoot generalizations at.

 

[maroonedinCA]

Marooned, I've always thought you were a very intelligent and articulate GH'er. I don't disagree with anything you wrote, with one exception. Allow me to try and explain.

Let's say you were married to the same person for 30 years and your spouse "let you down" year after year by doing some really hurtful things. In that case, I think it would be fair and reasonable to say to your spouse "same old, same old, you keep letting me down".

Then, you get divorced and marry a different person. That spouse keeps getting better and better each year, improves your home and family life, is great to your friends and makes life better for everyone around you. The new spouse has never let you down. All of the sudden, the new spouse does something hurtful. You turn to the new spouse and say "same old, same old, just let me down". That would seem really odd and inappropriate.

Well, it seems to me, that's just how stupid, lazy, unintelligent and unthoughtful the author of that article was. Not very educated or well thought out. This Minnesota Gopher team is operating under a completely different Coach, a completely different culture, a different Athletic Director and completely different players. To say that this is the same old, same old Minnesota Gophers is absolutely moronic to me. One regime has nothing to do with the other and the devastating losses under previous Coaches are irrelevant in terms of discussing what happened Saturday.

Ironically, I thought the article he wrote sounded like it was written by a petulant child with little analytical ability. If I were the guys boss, I'd tell him he thinks and writes like a little baby. Write something interesting and thought provoking for once in your life. How pithy and trite it is to write the billionth article about the Gopher Football Team being chokers and losers.

I hope this made some sense to you. But, if you're like most GH'ers, you'll focus on the analogy I made and tell me my analogy was awful and my thoughts were stupid and you'll intentionally fail to see the point I'm making.

I appreciate your sentiment and wasn't really arguing that the point he made wasn't stupid just that it's dumb to think someone has to be "educated" to be a sports columnist. Like I said, I don't disagree at all that this doesn't seem like the same old gophers. Thanks for the kind words.

 

[maroonedinCA]

Don't you have badgers to cheer on somewhere?
Educated as in Judd likely checks the box score, watches ESPN highlights for 30 seconds and writes an opinion piece based on that 1:30 of research. He's lazy, and not interested in college football until he's got an easy target to shoot generalizations at.

What do you base your last paragraph on? That his opinion isn't the same as yours?

Thanks for the cheap shot. Based on what you've posted this far it seems that's all you can hang your hat on.

 

[GophersInIowa]

Masons first 8 win season was a 9 win season.
Mason got fired.


Pretty early to judge. I was more excited about Mason in 2000 than I am about kill right now.

As already mentioned, that is wrong. Mason had two 8-win seasons and one 10-win season.

Hopefully Kill's year 5 is better than Mason's.

 

[GopherGod]

Don't you have badgers to cheer on somewhere? Educated as in Judd likely checks the box score, watches ESPN highlights for 30 seconds and writes an opinion piece based on that 1:30 of research. He's lazy, and not interested in college football until he's got an easy target to shoot generalizations at.

Speaking of generalizations, you seem to like to claim every writer that doesn't share your views, is lazy. You should send your resume to the Star Tribune though, they are clearly missing out on your superior football knowledge and writing abilities.

 

[maroonedinCA]

Speaking of generalizations, you seem to like to claim every writer that doesn't share your views, is lazy. You should send your resume to the Star Tribune though, they are clearly missing out on your superior football knowledge and writing abilities.

Careful, he may call you a badger fan.

 

[killme]

You shouldn't need a lucky break to beat a team as bad as Illinois if we're being honest...I was extremely negative after the game like I think a lot of people were but I still have some belief in this team that they can turn it around. I think anyone who truly cares about the program will at least give them the Iowa game with an extra week to prepare before we declare this group "the same old Gophers".

You're right, they shouldn't need a lucky break. But, I've played and watched sports all my life, and sometimes the superior team does need a lucky break to win. This team doesn't seem to be getting it's fair share.

 

[Ole]

Speaking of generalizations, you seem to like to claim every writer that doesn't share your views, is lazy. You should send your resume to the Star Tribune though, they are clearly missing out on your superior football knowledge and writing abilities.

Uh no, there are plenty of good gopher football writers out there, but most of them aren't employed by the major media sources in this town.
There's absolutely no correlation between this team under Kill and those meltdown teams under Brewster or Mason. It's lazy to draw a comparison and he does it so he can generate nodding heads from idiots who don't pay attention to the culture change that's occurred the past few years under Kill.
Of course he might not even be aware of the changes under Kill since he doesn't follow the program closely even though it's his job to be aware of as much internal nuance of local sports teamsas he can. This program under Kill has proven several times already to have resiliency, this will be no different.

 

[maroonedinCA]

Uh no, there are plenty of good gopher football writers out there, but most of them aren't employed by the major media sources in this town.
There's absolutely no correlation between this team under Kill and those meltdown teams under Brewster or Mason. It's lazy to draw a comparison and he does it so he can generate nodding heads from idiots who don't pay attention to the culture change that's occurred the past few years under Kill.
Of course he might not even be aware of the changes under Kill since he doesn't follow the program closely even though it's his job to be aware of as much internal nuance of local sports teamsas he can. This program under Kill has proven several times already to have resiliency, this will be no different.

How do you know? Give me evidence that isn't completely subjective and personally anecdotal? You can't keep spewing the same sentences over and over.

 

[SelectionSunday]

Zulgad is jumping the gun here. Too early to say it's same-old same-old simply because of the loss to Illinois. Now if the Gophers lose the rest of their games and/or are mostly non-competitive, then I think we can revisit the "same old Gophers" mantra.

Beat Iowa.

 

[bleedsmaroonandgold]

Zulgad is jumping the gun here. Too early to say it's same-old same-old simply because of the loss to Illinois. Now if the Gophers lose the rest of their games and/or are mostly non-competitive, then I think we can revisit the "same old Gophers" mantra.

Beat Iowa.

+1. The same old Gophers don't just lose one bad game. They utterly fall apart. Kill's got 4 more games to grab a couple more wins.

 

[Ole]

How do you know? Give me evidence that isn't completely subjective and personally anecdotal? You can't keep spewing the same sentences over and over.

2012, 4-0 start in non conference, lose floyd to Iowa, drop a home loss to NW where you lose your #2 QB and have to burn a redshirt off your freshman QB, get blown out on the road in Madison, at that point the season looks bleak. Team rallies to blow out Purdue and win at Illinois to clinch bowl eligibility. A small thing for most people but still a step towards respectability.

2013, Kill goes down with seizures, Iowa and Michigan destroy our confidence after a 4-0 start. Team rallys after bye to go on first 4 win B1G streak since forever including a win against Nebraska(first since forever) fighting back from 0-10, going on the road and NOT melting down against Indiana winning on the type of play we've seen "the same old gophers" lose time and again in the past, finishing with beating a pretty solid PSU team.

2014, Start the season semi shaky with wins against poor competition, a blowout to TCU, and a W against SJSU where naysayers lose their minds at the 7 yards of passing, starting QB is hurt going into a pissed off Michigan coming off a terrible loss.
Team rallies to win at Michigan for the first time since 05', beat NW after the refs try to blow the game on a clutch KR TD, and fight back against Purdue for the first come from behind win in Kill's time here to go 6-1.

This program under Kill has shown heart and fightback several times, and it will again.
I've witnessed plenty of goofy ways the "same old gophers" have lost games including unexplained blowouts, meltdowns, and incomprehensible last minute shenanigans. I've not seen those same issues since Kill took over, and losing on the road to Illinois doesn't qualify frankly. Which is why the "same old gophers" logic doesn't apply here.
Better?

 

[dpodoll68]

Careful, he may call you a badger fan.

No, he's a Husker fan. We have lots of fans of opposing teams here who, funny enough, stay away when the Gophers are winning and, funnier still, show up in droves after a loss.

 

[dpodoll68]

No, he's a Husker fan. We have lots of fans of opposing teams here who, funny enough, stay away when the Gophers are winning and, funnier still, show up in droves after a loss.

To follow up on this last post:

GopherGod posts once all summer, and then posts 7 times on 9/13, the day we lost to TCU. He posts zero times during the Gophers' 4 game winning streak, once during the week leading up to Illinois, and then has posted 3 times since the loss.

What a tool. I can only aspire to one day be approaching 2,500 posts trolling on the fan board of a team I hate.