Johnson: “I have some personal pride that I’ll be the only minority coach in the league. I take that with a badge of honor."

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^^^^^^ it's the U of M and its pathetic and horrific basketball program, so why not?

If you are reading this Coyle, please find another school. You have to be in high demand.
 

Bad Gopher said:
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Dude what the eff. This cat is such a massive dud and there are no metrics or eye tests that indicate he knows what he is doing. Just repulsive to see how meek and pathetic this program has become.

I hope this report is wrong.
 





Bad Gopher said:
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Going to wait until there is something official from the U before over reacting to this but if true this is really disappointing.

Will be next to impossible to get people excited about the 25/26 season and Coyle will deserve a ton of heat if the results next year are the same or worse then what has happened the past 2 seasons.

And I say this as someone who wants Ben Johnson to succeed here....I just can't see it happening at this point and hope like hell he proves everyone wrong and gets it done next year if he is in fact back.
 

There will be other threads to turn to for discussing the news that Johnson will be retained (and I told you so over a month ago, btw), but I wanted to take a broader look at "the race thing".

I think it's right that individual schools should get the best candidate without even considering race, period, full stop. But, zoom out a little and you'll see the other P5 leagues have way more black head coaches, many of them quite successful, too (Sampson, Gates, Smart to name 3). We all know the players are mostly black, so why is it this way in the B10? I don't know, but it's fair to make the observation.
 

formerlybis said:
There will be other threads to turn to for discussing the news that Johnson will be retained (and I told you so over a month ago, btw), but I wanted to take a broader look at "the race thing".

I think it's right that individual schools should get the best candidate without even considering race, period, full stop. But, zoom out a little and you'll see the other P5 leagues have way more black head coaches, many of them quite successful, too (Sampson, Gates, Smart to name 3). We all know the players are mostly black, so why is it this way in the B10? I don't know, but it's fair to make the observation.
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The percentage of minority coaches compared to the percentage of minority players is definitely out of whack. It seems like hiring trends are moving in the right direction overall but will take time and at some point those that are so quick to play the race card everytime a minority coach gets fired need to figure out that they are not helping anyone by doing that.
 



formerlybis said:
There will be other threads to turn to for discussing the news that Johnson will be retained (and I told you so over a month ago, btw), but I wanted to take a broader look at "the race thing".

I think it's right that individual schools should get the best candidate without even considering race, period, full stop. But, zoom out a little and you'll see the other P5 leagues have way more black head coaches, many of them quite successful, too (Sampson, Gates, Smart to name 3). We all know the players are mostly black, so why is it this way in the B10? I don't know, but it's fair to make the observation.
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Interesting thought exercise. Could it be because of the location of the majority of B1G schools? I'm sure that is the main factor. Even for non P5 schools in the Midwest I'm sure there's not very many black head coaches compared to schools in the South.
 


I’m pulling for Indiana to have the only minority coach by tomorrow evening.
 

formerlybis said:
There will be other threads to turn to for discussing the news that Johnson will be retained (and I told you so over a month ago, btw), but I wanted to take a broader look at "the race thing".

I think it's right that individual schools should get the best candidate without even considering race, period, full stop. But, zoom out a little and you'll see the other P5 leagues have way more black head coaches, many of them quite successful, too (Sampson, Gates, Smart to name 3). We all know the players are mostly black, so why is it this way in the B10? I don't know, but it's fair to make the observation.
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I'm not going to pretend that the playing field is completely level but a couple years ago you had Ben, Juwan Howard, Shrewsbury, and Woodson in a 14 team league. Coaches get hired and they get fired, it's part of the business.
 



MNVCGUY said:
The percentage of minority coaches compared to the percentage of minority players is definitely out of whack. It seems like hiring trends are moving in the right direction overall but will take time and at some point those that are so quick to play the race card everytime a minority coach gets fired need to figure out that they are not helping anyone by doing that.
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You only have the available pool you have. I'm in engineering, and although it would be ideal to have a percentage of women in our profession that matches the population we serve, women have always been underrepresented in STEM. That said, we've made great progress in increasing the numbers on both ends (going into the field and placing them in our organization), which is the long-term goal, so mission accomplished. As it stands, the women in our profession are proving to be some of the best, which is really the true objective: not just to increase numbers for the sake of increasing numbers, but to cultivate a heretofore underdeveloped industry-wide talent base and capability. This is analogous to people of color in coaching.
 

Bad Gopher said:
You only have the available pool you have. I'm in engineering, and although it would be ideal to have a percentage of women in our profession that matches the population we serve, women have always been underrepresented in STEM. That said, we've made great progress in increasing the numbers on both ends (going into the field and placing them in our organization), which is the long-term goal, so mission accomplished. As it stands, the women in our profession are proving to be some of the best, which is really the true objective: not just to increase numbers for the sake of increasing numbers, but to cultivate a heretofore underdeveloped industry-wide talent base and capability. This is analogous to people of color in coaching.
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haha, love AI
 


Bad Gopher said:
You only have the available pool you have. I'm in engineering, and although it would be ideal to have a percentage of women in our profession that matches the population we serve, women have always been underrepresented in STEM. That said, we've made great progress in increasing the numbers on both ends (going into the field and placing them in our organization), which is the long-term goal, so mission accomplished. As it stands, the women in our profession are proving to be some of the best, which is really the true objective: not just to increase numbers for the sake of increasing numbers, but to cultivate a heretofore underdeveloped industry-wide talent base and capability. This is analogous to people of color in coaching.
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Yep, the real trick for coaching is getting more and more minority coaches into grad assistant and assistant coach roles as those are the head coaches of the future. Unfortunately there is not a quick fix but eventually that is how you fix the issue.
 

I'm also going to wait, this is just hearsay.

That said, if they keep CBJ, then it's just not him but Coyle who's job is on the line. I'm a bigger Coyle supporter than most but if you keep this coach around for a 5th year, then it's your job too. And I'd say then there should be a 100% ultimatum, ncaa tournament or you are both out.
 

leib0039 said:
I'm also going to wait, this is just hearsay.

That said, if they keep CBJ, then it's just not him but Coyle who's job is on the line. I'm a bigger Coyle supporter than most but if you keep this coach around for a 5th year, then it's your job too. And I'd say then there should be a 100% ultimatum, ncaa tournament or you are both out.
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We would have to win the Big tournament to get into the NCAA tourney. That is quite a long-shot that you are demanding. Why not just say he is fired tomorrow? It seems more direct and actionable.
 

Unfortunately, most Gopher Basketball fans currently take no pride in their Men’s Basketball Team.
 

ShushPush said:
We would have to win the Big tournament to get into the NCAA tourney. That is quite a long-shot that you are demanding. Why not just say he is fired tomorrow? It seems more direct and actionable.
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Reading is hard I know....IF HE STAYS AS COACH FOR NEXT YEAR.

Yes I want him fired in saying if he is retained for next year they have to make it. 🤡
 

I did a google search and an article from Spril of 24 said 59% of assistants are black in the P5. 23% of head coaches in all of D1 are black.

Seems like it’s not a pipeline problem.
 

formerlybis said:
I did a google search and an article from Spril of 24 said 59% of assistants are black in the P5. 23% of head coaches in all of D1 are black.

Seems like it’s not a pipeline problem.
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You have to take into account that jobs often go to head coaches who were head coaches somewhere else the year before. Over time, as the number of high profile assistants grows many of those guys will become head coaches.

Eventually you get to a point where the race of the coach becomes a complete non factor in the discussion but we are not there yet unfortunately.
 


MNVCGUY said:
You have to take into account that jobs often go to head coaches who were head coaches somewhere else the year before. Over time, as the number of high profile assistants grows many of those guys will become head coaches.

Eventually you get to a point where the race of the coach becomes a complete non factor in the discussion but we are not there yet unfortunately.
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There can be a hump that has to be gotten over, though, in some cases. Tony Dungy was typecast as an assistant. Not sure if his race got in the way, but it might have. He was also softspoken, which goes against type. But, when given a chance, he won a championship.
 

Bad Gopher said:
There can be a hump that has to be gotten over, though, in some cases. Tony Dungy was typecast as an assistant. Not sure if his race got in the way, but it might have. He was also softspoken, which goes against type. But, when given a chance, he won a championship.
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I'm reading that black assistant coaches feel they're viewed more as recruiters than coaches - that rings probably true to me. If you've got mostly white head coaches and mostly black players, you rely on black assistants to bridge the gap on the recruiting trail.
 


formerlybis said:
There will be other threads to turn to for discussing the news that Johnson will be retained (and I told you so over a month ago, btw), but I wanted to take a broader look at "the race thing".

I think it's right that individual schools should get the best candidate without even considering race, period, full stop. But, zoom out a little and you'll see the other P5 leagues have way more black head coaches, many of them quite successful, too (Sampson, Gates, Smart to name 3). We all know the players are mostly black, so why is it this way in the B10? I don't know, but it's fair to make the observation.
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Should the U (who has had, starting with Clem, 3 black HCs out of it's last 5 head coaches) forsake it's future to atone for the lack of diversity conference wide?
 

swede2 said:
Should the U (who has had, starting with Clem, 3 black HCs out of it's last 5 head coaches) forsake it's future to atone for the lack of diversity conference wide?
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No. I said that an individual situation like MN gets to choose the best candidate for the job regardless of skin color.

You're missing the point.

It's not about the situation at one school, it's about the bigger picture. Why do you think there aren't many black head coaches relative to the % of players (guessing around 80%) and assistant coaches (59% at P5 schools) being black? I don't have an answer.
 


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