Jacob Knuth commits to Kansas State

[WAGopher]

And you can still get NIL.

So yeah, I don’t have much sympathy for any guy invited to a P5 fall camp, which I believe is still limited to 105 total?

Yes, the roster limit of 105 still exists until after the first day of school or the first game. After that there is not a limit. Conferences can impose a roster limit, but I don’t know if any still do.

I just checked and walk ons are still not defined by the NCAA, so PWOs can switch teams anytime even after receiving tangible benefits like training table access.

 

[Bob_Loblaw]

This transfer would count as his "free" transfer because he was on scholarship at the school he left (MN). That said, if he was to transfer next year from Kansas State to Kent State, he would not need to sit out - he would then be a walk-on transferring.

 

[Gophers_4life]

Yes, the roster limit of 105 still exists until after the first day of school or the first game. After that there is not a limit. Conferences can impose a roster limit, but I don’t know if any still do.

I just checked and walk ons are still not defined by the NCAA, so PWOs can switch teams anytime even after receiving tangible benefits like training table access.

This transfer would count as his "free" transfer because he was on scholarship at the school he left (MN). That said, if he was to transfer next year from Kansas State to Kent State, he would not need to sit out - he would then be a walk-on transferring.

Could easily be the case, but I'm not sure where in the free transfer rule it says that only applies to scholarship players transferring. Not saying it should be one way or another.

 

[50PoundHead]

Looks like the move was endorsed by The Almighty, so I guess there's no arguing with that.

 

[GophersInIowa]

So could this be a strategy used now where players are brought in as walk-ons with the expectation that an NIL deal in place that would help cover the costs of school anyways? Like instead of a $50K deal, it'll be $75K to help cover the costs of tuition for a year until they can be put on scholarship officially.

 

[btowngopher]

I know if you start as a walk-on like Charlie Jones did at Buffalo you don’t burn your free transfer going on scholarship at a new school, but maybe doesn’t work the other way around.

Ok maybe I made this up. Looks like he grad transferred to Purdue, and he even sat out a year when he transferred to Iowa, this was prior to the free transfer era. Weird, I thought for sure you didn’t have to sit out if you went from walk on to scholarship somewhere.

 

[Hates Monikers]

So could this be a strategy used now where players are brought in as walk-ons with the expectation that an NIL deal in place that would help cover the costs of school anyways? Like instead of a $50K deal, it'll be $75K to help cover the costs of tuition for a year until they can be put on scholarship officially.

I'm sure that if it's not happening yet, it will soon.

 

[WAGopher]

Ok maybe I made this up. Looks like he grad transferred to Purdue, and he even sat out a year when he transferred to Iowa, this was prior to the free transfer era. Weird, I thought for sure you didn’t have to sit out if you went from walk on to scholarship somewhere.

Charlie Jones was a on scholarship at Buffalo and transferred as a walk-on to Iowa and had to sit out the 2019 season. If he had been a walk-on at Buffalo he would not have had to sit the season. It’s always been the scholarship that ties a player to transfer rules.

 

[WAGopher]

So could this be a strategy used now where players are brought in as walk-ons with the expectation that an NIL deal in place that would help cover the costs of school anyways? Like instead of a $50K deal, it'll be $75K to help cover the costs of tuition for a year until they can be put on scholarship officially.

I like that you think outside the box, and a rule bender to boot. I don’t doubt someone is working this angle, which would further separate the rich schools from the pack. Imagine having an extra 20 or 30 NIL ‘scholarship’ players on a team.

 

[A_Slab_of_Bacon]

I like that you think outside the box, and a rule bender to boot. I don’t doubt someone is working this angle, which would further separate the rich schools from the pack. Imagine having an extra 20 or 30 NIL ‘scholarship’ players on a team.

Sounds like a regular rapscallion….

 

[GopherWeatherGuy]

So could this be a strategy used now where players are brought in as walk-ons with the expectation that an NIL deal in place that would help cover the costs of school anyways? Like instead of a $50K deal, it'll be $75K to help cover the costs of tuition for a year until they can be put on scholarship officially.

I doubt that’s happening at K-State for a QB that may have become a 4th stringer here.

I believe part of the reason Knuth can walk on there is similar to the reason Annexstad could walk on here.

 

[A_Slab_of_Bacon]

I doubt that’s happening at K-State

That’s exactly why they can pull it off!!!!!

 

[Gophers_4life]

So could this be a strategy used now where players are brought in as walk-ons with the expectation that an NIL deal in place that would help cover the costs of school anyways? Like instead of a $50K deal, it'll be $75K to help cover the costs of tuition for a year until they can be put on scholarship officially.

Didn’t a BYU booster pledge that all walk-ons will have NIL deals that pay for all school expenses?

 

[Gophers_4life]

It’s always been the scholarship that ties a player to transfer rules.

Are you able to cite this somewhere?

It has to be in the NCAA DI manual somewhere, but that thing is a rat’s nest.

 

[Gophers_4life]

I doubt that’s happening at K-State for a QB that may have become a 4th stringer here.

I believe part of the reason Knuth can walk on there is similar to the reason Annexstad could walk on here.

Annexstad was just a PWO here initially. Nothing any more special than that.

The rule changed that you could start awarding walk-ons only one year later, instead of two years. He (ZA) was the first to take advantage of this change.

Fleck “marketed” this by slapping the made up name “Maroon shirt” on it.

 

[Gopherchase]

Fleck gave Annextad’s brother a scholarship for a year to lighten the family load until he could be put on the payroll. Knuth actually had made up his mind to go to K State when they came in late on him out of HS, but Fleck flipped him back. For some families a scholarship is nice but certainly not a budget breaker and I think that’s the case with the Knuth’s.

 

[Tommyboy]

Fleck gave Annextad’s brother a scholarship for a year to lighten the family load until he could be put on the payroll. Knuth actually had made up his mind to go to K State when they came in late on him out of HS, but Fleck flipped him back. For some families a scholarship is nice but certainly not a budget breaker and I think that’s the case with the Knuth’s.

Both Annextads and Knuths are well off. The Annextads went to IMG their last two years of HS, tuition is 60,000 a year. Knuths dad is a business owner. Tuition does not mean much to them.