Ivy League will Join Post Season (FCS)

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Did they decide their insulated sort of setup wasn't working anymore?

They going to add formal scholarships?
 


A_Slab_of_Bacon said:
Did they decide their insulated sort of setup wasn't working anymore?

They going to add formal scholarships?
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With their massive endowments (hedge funds with dorms), the Ivies typically give very substantial financial aid for the non-rich. I doubt that athletic scholarships would have much impact. We'll see, but I'm guessing the Ivy league is a big step up from the Pioneer League.

I like this decision. Could they actually give the Dakota Football League some competition?
 

Students pushed for it is my understanding.

They should compete fairly well in FCS. Not sure anyone can compete with the Dakotas and Montana.

By comparison, Rhode Island beat New Hampshire by more than Harvard did.
 
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Panthadad2 said:
With their massive endowments (hedge funds with dorms), the Ivies typically give very substantial financial aid for the non-rich. I doubt that athletic scholarships would have much impact. We'll see, but I'm guessing the Ivy league is a big step up from the Pioneer League.

I like this decision. Could they actually give the Dakota Football League some competition?
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It wouldn't have an impact, but there are scholarship limits and rules that are different outside the Ivy. It's going to be interesting.
 

MaxyJR1 said:
Students pushed for it is my understanding.

They should compete fairly well in FCS. Not sure anyone can compete with the Dakotas and Montana.

By comparison, Rhode Island beat New Hampshire by more than Harvard did.
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I'm curious what students pushed for it .... I've watched their games on TV. Nobody is there, often even for the "big" games.

I'm wondering if this is folks advocating for change that they don't even participate in?

Maybe it was just players?
 

A_Slab_of_Bacon said:
I'm curious what students pushed for it .... I've watched their games on TV. Nobody is there, often even for the "big" games.

I'm wondering if this is folks advocating for change that they don't even participate in?

Maybe it was just players?
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Student athletes that is.
 









A_Slab_of_Bacon said:
I'm curious what students pushed for it .... I've watched their games on TV. Nobody is there, often even for the "big" games.

I'm wondering if this is folks advocating for change that they don't even participate in?

Maybe it was just players?
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Good question. Maybe the "no interest" factor is what's causing them to pursue the playoffs. The lower divisions of football are getting more and more airplay which is great marketing for the schools. I love the ESPN+ package with all lower division playoff games in one spot.

I pulled up league winner Dartmouth's attendance for kicks and grins; St. John's and Bethel probably get more fans. The Harvard/Yale game gets a lot of fans but there's probably not much else.
 


A_Slab_of_Bacon said:
Did they decide their insulated sort of setup wasn't working anymore?

They going to add formal scholarships?
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I don't believe the Ivies will ever give out athletic scholarships. They give out scholarships based on financial need--and a great many athletes (and students) qualify for partial or complete "needs based" scholarships. But you don't get a scholarship from an Ivy (you might get a third-party funded scholarship) if your family can pay the freight.

Interesting angle: what if the folks who have contributed so heavily to Ivy endowments start up NIL Collectives (apart from the schools) at Ivy colleges? Might have a situation in which non-scholarship student athletes (owing to family income or wealth) nevertheless receive big NIL payments to attend an Ivy. Could deepen the pool of talent available to the Ivies.
 

Gophergrandpa said:
I don't believe the Ivies will ever give out athletic scholarships. They give out scholarships based on financial need--and a great many athletes (and students) qualify for partial or complete "needs based" scholarships. But you don't get a scholarship from an Ivy (you might get a third-party funded scholarship) if your family can pay the freight.

Interesting angle: what if the folks who have contributed so heavily to Ivy endowments start up NIL Collectives (apart from the schools) at Ivy colleges? Might have a situation in which non-scholarship student athletes (owing to family income or wealth) nevertheless receive big NIL payments to attend an Ivy. Could deepen the pool of talent available to the Ivies.
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If for some reason Ivy teams started dominating I wonder what the other FCS teams operating under scholarship limits. Meanwhile Ivy teams with "no scholarships" have their players ... almost all of them qualify for "full ride" income based scholarships.

Granted I don't know that anyone wants to get into revoking income based deals like that, but it would seem to be a distinct advantage...
 

Cornell offers athletic scholarships for wrestling. But also lots of wrestlers on full need based scholarships. Quite the advantage to have both.
 

Panthadad2 said:
With their massive endowments (hedge funds with dorms), the Ivies typically give very substantial financial aid for the non-rich. I doubt that athletic scholarships would have much impact. We'll see, but I'm guessing the Ivy league is a big step up from the Pioneer League.

I like this decision. Could they actually give the Dakota Football League some competition?
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Hey now! This is a family friendly site :ROFLMAO:
 

disco said:
And the Frozen Four. Overall, this is a good thing for FCS football. Now if the MEAC and SWAC would do the same, it would provide an influx of talent to the lower division.
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I thought I understood that the "reason" (claimed) for not doing it was that the football post-season schedule interfered with finals.

So then to me I say "OK, but so then what about the fall sports post-seasons, like volleyball?". Granted, they aren't ever expected to make it past the first weekend in volleyball, but I could see some other (fall) sports where they do well and go longer into the post-season.
 

UpAndUnder43 said:
Cornell offers athletic scholarships for wrestling. But also lots of wrestlers on full need based scholarships. Quite the advantage to have both.
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It's certainly different, but the advantage sounds similar to the old Nebraska system where they would put football players on scholarship for other sports. Their football scholarships were limited by rule ... but they could still get far more players who played football under a scholarship of some kind.

NCAA eventually decided that practice was not allowed.
 

A_Slab_of_Bacon said:
It's certainly different, but the advantage sounds similar to the old Nebraska system where they would put football players on scholarship for other sports. Their football scholarships were limited by rule ... but they could still get far more players who played football under a scholarship of some kind.

NCAA eventually decided that practice was not allowed.
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Very similar when you have 15 full ride wrestlers and everyone else has 9.9
 

It could be interesting... I would assume that they have alumni with some major $$$ and if they wanted could put a lot of money into NIL. Not that it would tip the scale of FBS but could make a run at the FCS level.
 

FCS final four are all Dakota schools and Montana State, who is coached by a former NDSU guy.

If IVY's can give these schools some competition, great!
 

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