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1. Orseske punts the ball 5 yards. Study hard pal and get that degree because this is as far as you're going.
2. When Lewis doesn't understand the word "tackle."
3. When Henderson gets burned on the same route 3 times in a row.

Having said that, let's win these next two and ride the momentum in to next year.
 

It's hard to be competive with the Pop Warner offense we are forced to run because Gray is our quarterback. We will never win more than 3 games a years with him at the helm - and then only if the other team is extremely disinterested like MSU was for 3 quarters. Compare him to Persa, Martinez and Robinson and the other mobile/running qbs out there and it is clear that he just doesn't have it. And I am not buying the tired line that he has been rusty from lack of playing qb. Brewster gave him the chance to win the job every year and he just couldn't cut it. He had plenty of practice. He just is not a qb above the high school level.
 

hillbillygopher said:
It's hard to be competive with the Pop Warner offense we are forced to run because Gray is our quarterback. We will never win more than 3 games a years with him at the helm - and then only if the other team is extremely disinterested like MSU was for 3 quarters. Compare him to Persa, Martinez and Robinson and the other mobile/running qbs out there and it is clear that he just doesn't have it. And I am not buying the tired line that he has been rusty from lack of playing qb. Brewster gave him the chance to win the job every year and he just couldn't cut it. He had plenty of practice. He just is not a qb above the high school level.
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This is the same offense Kill has always run.
 

hillbillygopher said:
It's hard to be competive with the Pop Warner offense we are forced to run because Gray is our quarterback. We will never win more than 3 games a years with him at the helm - and then only if the other team is extremely disinterested like MSU was for 3 quarters. Compare him to Persa, Martinez and Robinson and the other mobile/running qbs out there and it is clear that he just doesn't have it. And I am not buying the tired line that he has been rusty from lack of playing qb. Brewster gave him the chance to win the job every year and he just couldn't cut it. He had plenty of practice. He just is not a qb above the high school level.
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Are you serious? maybe you belong in those hills, billy...
 

>>>>This is the same offense Kill has always run.<<<<<<

I believe it is a stripped down version of Kill's standard offense.
 


>>>>Are you serious? maybe you belong in those hills, billy...<<<<<

Maybe y'all are right, and its fo sho weuns don't know nothing about football down thissa way.
 

hillbillygopher said:
>>>>This is the same offense Kill has always run.<<<<<<

I believe it is a stripped down version of Kill's standard offense.
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They stripped it down because the offensive line isn't blocking well with all of the different blocking schemes, it had nothing to do with Gray.
 

I posted a few times how bad this Orseske kid is. Terrible punts. Really surprised they have not yanked his scholly yet. God, another 5 yard punt. Please contact my high school team, Blooming Prairie,MN for their punter. Great team, going to the Metrodome this Saturday for football semi-finals. I'm sure some kid on the team could out-punt that idiot.
 

froggopher said:
I posted a few times how bad this Orseske kid is. Terrible punts. Really surprised they have not yanked his scholly yet. God, another 5 yard punt. Please contact my high school team, Blooming Prairie,MN for their punter. Great team, going to the Metrodome this Saturday for football semi-finals. I'm sure some kid on the team could out-punt that idiot.
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The ball was kicked high, landed around the W 20 yd line and bounced BACKWARDS about 25 yards. Have your HS punter take about 100 kicks and see how many of those roll backwards let along roll backwards 25 yards.

Get a clue.
 



froggopher said:
I posted a few times how bad this Orseske kid is. Terrible punts. Really surprised they have not yanked his scholly yet. God, another 5 yard punt. Please contact my high school team, Blooming Prairie,MN for their punter. Great team, going to the Metrodome this Saturday for football semi-finals. I'm sure some kid on the team could out-punt that idiot.
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Coach Kill has mentioned a couple times that he likes his punters to get good hang time to help the coverage get into position. Usually when a punter concentrates on kicking the ball higher, he loses accuracy and distance. By all accounts Orseske has a booming leg, but he is struggling to find that sweet spot for the best distance and hang time.
 

recall seeing sean landeta whiff on a punt, bad punts happen
O has hit some good punts suggesting he has skills. no doubt O and the coaches are working with him on consistency

always seems harsh to me when we call gopher players names, like idiot.
 

Using the 5 yard punt against Orseske isn't completely fair because of the freak bounce it took backwards. It was what me and my brother call a "Gopher bounce".
 

No, it was not a freak bounce. He was kicking the ball end over end in an attempt to punt the ball down to the 5 an have it spin back. It was a terrible punt even before it started to come backwards. You could see while it was still in the air that it wasn't going to be pretty.

He was making a simple punt much more difficult than it had to be and he botched it... Again.

Let me add a fourth:

4) it's hard to compete when Marquis misses a wide open receiver runnin down the left side of the field and instead forces a pee wee football throw into double coverage. We could have gone in to the half down 7... Instead we are down 21.
 




Orseske is just inconsistent. He will boot a 30 yarder, then next time it will be a 50 yarder. If he can ever get into that 40 yard groove, he will be fine, but for some reason he just can't seem to do it in a game.

Next time froggopher complains about the punter, lets line him up back there and give him 3 seconds to get one off with 4-6 200 pound guys running at him and see what happens.
 

froggopher said:
I posted a few times how bad this Orseske kid is. Terrible punts. Really surprised they have not yanked his scholly yet. God, another 5 yard punt. Please contact my high school team, Blooming Prairie,MN for their punter. Great team, going to the Metrodome this Saturday for football semi-finals. I'm sure some kid on the team could out-punt that idiot.
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Done looking like an idiot trolling the Badger boards yet. You make Rupert look like a saint over there....now that's impressive.
 

That was not a freak bounce. A football kicked that way, in those conditions, will always bounce exactly like that. He put way to much backspin on it and did not kick it near far enough. I take issues with the use of the term "Gopher bounce" or with whining about how Wisconsin wins. We have settled into mediocrity where we are willing to attribute our rough stretch to bad luck and take comfort with losing because at least we don't act like the winners do when they win. If we have a problem with how they win, let's win a damn axe and really shut up those Sconnie bums.
 

bleedsmaroonandgold said:
That was not a freak bounce. A football kicked that way, in those conditions, will always bounce exactly like that. He put way to much backspin on it and did not kick it near far enough. I take issues with the use of the term "Gopher bounce" or with whining about how Wisconsin wins. We have settled into mediocrity where we are willing to attribute our rough stretch to bad luck and take comfort with losing because at least we don't act like the winners do when they win. If we have a problem with how they win, let's win a damn axe and really shut up those Sconnie bums.
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Blah, blah, blah. Stating a fact is not whining about bad luck or how Wisconsin wins. That was a freak bounce. That is a fact. A "freak" occurrence is something that occurs extremely rarely. How often do you see a punt bounce back 25 yards or more? By definition, it was a freak bounce. Why anyone would argue this obvious point is beyond me.
 

Its really hard to win when you have a starting corner who's college experience before walking on here was as a backup running back for a D2 school and your starting safety is 160lbs and you're starting 2 DEs that go about 235 each. With that type of talent deficiency you need to play perfect to win
 

oleboy41 said:
Its really hard to win when you have a starting corner who's college experience before walking on here was as a backup running back for a D2 school and your starting safety is 160lbs and you're starting 2 DEs that go about 235 each. With that type of talent deficiency you need to play perfect to win
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+1. We have a lot bigger issues then the punter. However, lazy people will always attach the easy obvious scapegoat.
 


dpodoll68 said:
Blah, blah, blah. Stating a fact is not whining about bad luck or how Wisconsin wins. That was a freak bounce. That is a fact. A "freak" occurrence is something that occurs extremely rarely. How often do you see a punt bounce back 25 yards or more? By definition, it was a freak bounce. Why anyone would argue this obvious point is beyond me.
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"Rare" and "freak" are too different things. He tried to plant it much closer to the endzone with enough backspin to stop the ball, he instead came up way short with way too much backspin. The fact that we rarely see a punt that bad does not make it freak. That would be like a QB underthrowing a receiver by 20 yards and calling it a freak throw because "how often do you see a pass come up 20 yards short?"
 

bleedsmaroonandgold said:
"Rare" and "freak" are too different things. He tried to plant it much closer to the endzone with enough backspin to stop the ball, he instead came up way short with way too much backspin. The fact that we rarely see a punt that bad does not make it freak. That would be like a QB underthrowing a receiver by 20 yards and calling it a freak throw because "how often do you see a pass come up 20 yards short?"
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You talk about it like we'd have a chance to win with a field goal at the end if only that punt had worked out better.

There are bigger fish to fry with this team.
 

froggopher said:
I posted a few times how bad this Orseske kid is. Terrible punts. Really surprised they have not yanked his scholly yet. God, another 5 yard punt. Please contact my high school team, Blooming Prairie,MN for their punter. Great team, going to the Metrodome this Saturday for football semi-finals. I'm sure some kid on the team could out-punt that idiot.
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Some random Awesome Blossom that you claim is better, doesn't make him a better replacement.
 

The end of Oleboy's post was the most sensible thing in this thread. There was a glaring size and talent difference between WI and us. In order for us to have won, we couldn't make ANY (or few) mistakes, and we made both big (gray's pick before the half) and small (o's punt, 2nd and 5 false starts to make it 2 and 10) last Saturday. But that is to be expected when you have freshmen learning on the job and inexperienced players all over the line up.

The importance for the team this year is that they LEARN from these mistakes to improve the team's discipline and level of play in future years so that one miffed punt, or bad/freak bounce, won't alone cost us a game and enough good plays are being made to still get the "W".
 

The original post is dripping with awfulness...

#1: We can obviously win when Gray plays well, and he has played well. However, you lost all credibility with your post when you said that we need to look at Taylor Martinez to see how a QB should play. Do you realize that Gray and Martinez are statistically similar passing the ball this year? All while Gray has had to do it with much worse WR's, a WAY worse OL, and without one of the best RB's in the nation? I think if you put that much talent around Gray, his numbers go up quite a bit, unless of course you think the talent around Gray this season is comparable to the talent around Martinez?

#2: Gray didn't play a great game, however, I saw him miss 1 wide open WR but I also saw his receivers drop three passes. I also noticed we couldn't run the ball whatsoever, maybe that makes it a little harder to throw the ball? No?

#3: Orseske is awfully inconsistant but he is a better punter than any Awesome Blossom. That's not a high praise, but no one cares about the Awesome Blossoms. He has a good leg, he just mi*&^!#*&^!#*&^!#*&^!#s some of them. If you look at the rest of the game, he punted fairly well. But going after him is going after the low hanging fruit, so I can't blame you. If it makes you feel any better we are currenty 5th in the Big 10 in punting and we average giving up less than a yard a return. I know it's impossible for posters like you to see the big picture and it's easier to remember the one shank of a punt (it was bad before the bounce) that took a horrible bounce.
 

gopherguy05 said:
Orseske is just inconsistent. He will boot a 30 yarder, then next time it will be a 50 yarder. If he can ever get into that 40 yard groove, he will be fine, but for some reason he just can't seem to do it in a game.

Next time froggopher complains about the punter, lets line him up back there and give him 3 seconds to get one off with 4-6 200 pound guys running at him and see what happens.
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Orseske is a sophomore. I'm not worried about him in the least. He'll be one of the top punters in the BT over his last 2 years.

That's the least of their problems right now. Field position is huge, no doubt, but going 3-and-out over and over again hurts the field position a lot more than the occasional short punt.
 

We can't help being undersized. We can help stupid mistakes, like tryin to pin the other team inside the 5 when a simple kick to the 15 will do just fine. If a D1 kicker is shanking kicks that only need to go 30 yards, it is no wonder that he is shanking kicks every other week. Go grab a high school kid and have him punt the ball 30 yards every time and then we won't have to worry about the 10-15 yard shanks.

And you have no idea how the rest of the game would have gone if we go into halftime down 7-14 instead of 21-0... Gray's pee wee throw and Orseske's 5 yard punt flushed any hope of winning down the toilet and that is a fact. The rest is just speculation.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
The original post is dripping with awfulness...

#1: We can obviously win when Gray plays well, and he has played well. However, you lost all credibility with your post when you said that we need to look at Taylor Martinez to see how a QB shoulHd play. Do you realize that Gray and Martinez are statistically similar passing the ball this year? All while Gray has had to do it with much worse WR's, a WAY worse OL, and without one of the best RB's in the nation? I think if you put that much talent around Gray, his numbers go up quite a bit, unless of course you think the talent around Gray this season is comparable to the talent around Martinez?

#2: Gray didn't play a great game, however, I saw him miss 1 wide open WR but I also saw his receivers drop three passes. I also noticed we couldn't run the ball whatsoever, maybe that makes it a little harder to throw the ball? No?

#3: Orseske is awfully inconsistant but he is a better punter than any Awesome Blossom. That's not a high praise, but no one cares about the Awesome Blossoms. He has a good leg, he just mi*&^!#*&^!#*&^!#*&^!#s some of them. If you look at the rest of the game, he punted fairly well. But going after him is going after the low hanging fruit, so I can't blame you. If it makes you feel any better we are currenty 5th in the Big 10 in punting and we average giving up less than a yard a return. I know it's impossible for posters like you to see the big picture and it's easier to remember the one shank of a punt (it was bad before the bounce) that took a bad bounce.
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He missed on more receivers than drops. However he gets a pass because he probably just wanted to go to sleep. If you ask me, you shouldn't be having children when you are on a football scholarship but I'm not gonna get in to that.
 

Yeah, I think we can all just go ahead and leave Gray's private life out of this. Yes, he had a bad weekend, but there are plenty of athletes who have thrived while also having a kid to look after (look no further than our b-ball squad). I'm pretty confident he'll bounce back next week, he's pretty much done nothing but get better since Day 1, so to complain about him is kinda ridiculous.

This team is overmatched, especially when going against a fully established, strong team like Wisconsin that has all their pieces in place. Give Kill some time, he's seen this since he got here, the work that needs to be done. He's got them competing finally, that's the first step. But it's gonna take a couple years before this team's gonna be able to physically matchup against most B1G teams. So we're just gonna have to deal with games like this until we get to that point.
 

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