It is TIme for Fundamental Change at the U of M

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millions2spare said:
hey freak...read the post....you have to cut it and remain complient with title 9....It can be done...does Wisky have a golf and baseball?? You cannot continue to do the same crap we have done the past 50 years and expect different results....time for fundamental change........
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Seriously? Wisconsin is the program you want to emulate?

Every school in the SEC has baseball, they seem to do just fine.

If Kill gets the team to a New Years Day bowl, they'll be just fine.
 

Watch a track or cross country meet on the Big Ten Network sometime. I did. I watched both the men's and women's CC Conference Championships. I can't tell you how many schools were represented (I would guess 6 or 8). Guess what, well over half and maybe 2/3 of the fans were U of M fans.

I was proud of our University and its fans/alumni atching those events.

If you don't know that running is a huge sport in the Twin Cities, then you either don't live here or you're a fat slob.

Twin Cities Marathon and Grandma's are the #9 and #11 sized marathons in the country. Twin Cities would be in the top 5 if they increased their cap.

Team USA Minnesota (www.teamusaminnesota.org) features some of the best distance runners in the world and is probably the 2nd or 3rd best running club in America (behind Team USA and Team Brooks).

The best Ultramarathoner in the world (Scott Jurek) is from the Duluth area. He ran 165 (ish) miles in a 24 hour period.

Even mentiuoning the elimination of Track or Cross Country shows that you know nothing about Minnesota and its people.
 

If you really want to emulate Wisconsin, then there is one thing you must do.

Add men's soccer.

The reason for this is that those who keep pointing out that Wisconsin doesn't have baseball forget to mention that Wisconsin has men's soccer and we don't. In essence, they have chosen to have men's soccer and we have chosen to have baseball.
 


Go Gophers Rah said:
Watch a track or cross country meet on the Big Ten Network sometime. I did. I watched both the men's and women's CC Conference Championships. I can't tell you how many schools were represented (I would guess 6 or 8). Guess what, well over half and maybe 2/3 of the fans were U of M fans.

I was proud of our University and its fans/alumni atching those events.

If you don't know that running is a huge sport in the Twin Cities, then you either don't live here or you're a fat slob.

Twin Cities Marathon and Grandma's are the #9 and #11 sized marathons in the country. Twin Cities would be in the top 5 if they increased their cap.

Team USA Minnesota (www.teamusaminnesota.org) features some of the best distance runners in the world and is probably the 2nd or 3rd best running club in America (behind Team USA and Team Brooks).

The best Ultramarathoner in the world (Scott Jurek) is from the Duluth area. He ran 165 (ish) miles in a 24 hour period.

Even mentiuoning the elimination of Track or Cross Country shows that you know nothing about Minnesota and its people.
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this reads like a sports story from the onion. Minnesota is a great sports school because 20 people showed up to watch a cross country meet. WOW you should petition to get a new section on gopherhole for all the cross country fans that we clearly have.
 

Brew_recruit said:
this reads like a sports story from the onion. Minnesota is a great sports school because 20 people showed up to watch a cross country meet. WOW you should petition to get a new section on gopherhole for all the cross country fans that we clearly have.
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Where did I say that there were 20 fans at a cross-country meet?

My point is that, in relative terms, Minnesota is a sort of Mecca for track and cross-country. I understand that it does not draw crowds like the revenue sports, but compared to our peers, we have among the best programs in the country and have had for a long time.

Cutting these sports (or any other non-revenue sport) would have absolutely ZERO positive affect on revenue sports. They are apples and oranges and should be treated as such.

Oh, and thanks for being a jerk in your manner of response.
 

Also, BTW, it was estimated that last year's Twin Cities Marathon (which caps runners at 12,000) had over 200,000 spectators.
 

Oneoldgopher said:
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Sec. 3. UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA. All the rights, immunities, franchises and endowments heretofore granted or conferred upon the University of Minnesota are perpetuated unto the university.

Where in this section does the word 'autonomy' show up. Nowhere. This has more to do with the land grant status of the U prior to the statehood of Minnesota than it does whether it has the right to control the law of the state.

Nor does the Minnesota Constitution carve out the land grant area. It reads:

"Section 1. NAME AND BOUNDARIES; ACCEPTANCE OF ORGANIC ACT. This state shall be called the state of Minnesota and shall consist of and have jurisdiction over the territory embraced in the act of Congress entitled, "An act to authorize the people of the Territory of Minnesota to form a constitution and state government, preparatory to their admission into the Union on equal footing with the original states," and the propositions contained in that act are hereby accepted, ratified and confirmed, and remain irrevocable without the consent of the United States."

Nor does the Act to authorize the people of the Territory of Minnesota. It reads in its entirety:

"CONGRESSIONAL ACT OF ADMISSION INTO THE UNION
CONGRESSIONAL ACT FOR THE ADMISSION OF MINNESOTA INTO THE UNION. [Passed May 11, 1858.]
Whereas, An act of Congress was passed February twenty-sixth, eighteen hundred and fifty-seven, entitled “An act to authorize the people of the Territory of Minnesota to form a constitution and state government preparatory to their admission into the Union on an
equal footing with the original states”; and, whereas, the people of said Territory did, on the twenty-ninth day of August, eighteen hundred and fifty-seven, by delegates elected for that purpose, form for themselves a constitution and state government, which is republican in form, and was ratified and adopted by the people at an election held on the thirteenth day of October, eighteen hundred and fifty-seven, for that purpose; therefore, Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That the State of Minnesota shall be one, and is hereby declared to be one, of the United States of America, and admitted into the Union on an equal footing with the original states in all respects whatever.
Sec. 2. And be it further enacted, That said State shall be entitled to two representatives in Congress, until the next apportionment of representatives among the several states.
Sec. 3. And be it further enacted, That from and after the admission of the State of Minnesota, as hereinbefore provided, all the laws of the United States which are not locally inapplicable shall have the same force and effect within that State as in other States of the Union; and the said State is hereby constituted a judicial district of the United States, within which a district court, with like powers and jurisdiction as the district court of the United States for the district of Iowa, shall be established; the judge, attorney and marshal of the United States of the said district of Minnesota shall reside within the same, and shall be entitled to the same compensation as
the judge, attorney and marshal of the district of Iowa; and in all cases of appeal or writ of error heretofore prosecuted and now pending in the supreme court of the United States, upon any record from the supreme court of Minnesota Territory, the mandate of execution or order of further proceedings shall be directed by the supreme court of the United States to the district court of the United States for the district of Minnesota, or to the supreme court of the State of Minnesota, as the nature of such appeal or writ of error may require; and each of those courts shall be the successor of the supreme court of Minnesota Territory, as to all such cases, with full power to hear and determine the same, and to award mesne or final process therein.

Again, no mention of the UofM in authorizing the State of Minnesota. The Congress, thereby intended the U to be subject to the laws of the State of Minnesota, and all the powers therein.

The State Constitution in Section 3 allowed the University of Minnesota to continue, as was authorized in its land grant status.

As for the Morrill Land Grant, '.--AN ACT Donating Public Lands to the several States and Territories which may provide Colleges for the Benefit of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts" did not confer unto the University any powers other than to hold lands, bonds, etc, in order to finance at least one college. It was a trust established to fund the Univesity and report improvements to the federal government as a result of the trust.

So, having read and posted the basis of rights to the University of Minnesota, where does it say the U has "autonomy" from the rights conferred to it from the Congress of the United States and the Constitution of the State of Minnesota?

I ask you sir, because you have not provided any evidence to the contrary.[/QUOTE]
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Not sure if this is directed towards me. I was only quoting another poster(the autonomy part). I might have made that confusing.
 



I have read through all the posts. There was some great input here. However, Can any of you geniuses who disagree with the need for fundamental change at the University of Minnesota come up with reasons why we are so far behind wisky and OSU in major sports?

Do you think we are just going to magically win? All the coaches say we are committed to winning.
The basketball team is having some moderate success in spite of Joel Maturi's leadership. I suspect if Tubby and his name was not here with his prior success and reputation the MBB program would be mired in mediocrity as well. It seems as if the rest of the revenue generating part of the Athletic program is on a free fall if you look at Hockey,Women's Hoops, and Football.

So what is going to change ? What does it mean to have a wining environment and COMMITMENT from the top down? Do we have this in Minnesota? If we do, why cant we compete with OSU and Wisky?
 

millions2spare said:
These are difficult decisions and tough times for the U of M. Let's look at this as an opportunity to reset and get back on track after 50 years of mediocrtiy. We have a top notch football facility, a Great area and University, and a fan base who will back a winner. These are tough and unpopular necessary steps that will be unpopular with the core Gopher elites but we need to make difficult decisions that can set this Athletic Department in a positive direction.


First, we need new leadership who focus on creating best of breed Revenue producing Sports. These include Football, Mens Basketball, Womens basketball, and Hockey. They need to be comitted to winning and success on the field creating a program that can support that objective. I am talking Cultural change not only changes in leadership.

Second , we need to hire the right AD and Football coach. Also, Get Tubby Smiths Extension and facility completed ASAP or we will be looking for a new BBall coach too.


Difficult Choices:
We need to cut baseball, Golf, volleyball,womens rowing, swimming, and possibly track. Most Minnesotans don't give a rats ass about anything other than the BIG Visible sports. Its a State University funded by Tax dollars so the rank and file Citizen has as valid say. These sports that get cut can be handled as club sports to satisfy student desire to particiapte. Note, Cuts have to be made to made to comply with title 9 requiremnts. Follow the lead of the successful schools....texas, Wisky, Florida., etc. Each program should have to stand on its own from a profit/loss standpoint and fit the title 9 reqs. It is a tough Balancing act with title 9, but with the right leadership, It can be done and has been done. This is necessary and unpopular. What would you rather have, mediocrity in the sports people care about or a kick ass football, basketball, and hockey program focussed on winning? Lets make Gopher Sports relevent again.
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Sorry to say, but this will never happen. Nor do I want it to happen. Having one of the larger student enrollments in the nation, we should be able to offer all the opportunities that are afforded us. Last I checked, I do not believe the University of Minnesota's Athletic Department is losing money hand over fist, I may be wrong. So, as long as we are able to fund all of our athletic programs and continue to not loose money, I see no problem with it.
 

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