It is Thursday...who is playing QB Saturday?

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MnplsGopher said:
I pretty much feel the same way. Wish the Big Ten would put a rule on the books enforcing an NFL style injury report for conference games.
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Why, for gamblers? I couldn’t care less about their “plight” of playing on a tilted field. Just don’t do it then...

The ability to plant disinformation and muddy the waters is part of gamesmanship and I love that about college football.
 

Has absolutely nothing to do with gambling. Doesn't in the NFL, either.

Prove otherwise.
 


Wildcats starting QB listed as doubtful for tomorrow. Back-up has thrown 3 passes and one 1int. Could be a battle of back-ups tomorrow.
 

Pompous Elitist said:
Then why could you possibly care about injury disclosures?
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Why would fans want to know if a starter is out of the coming game?? I don't understand the point of you asking the question. Why wouldn't you want to know?? You want it to be a surprise?
 


MnplsGopher said:
Why would fans want to know if a starter is out of the coming game?? I don't understand the point of you asking the question. Why wouldn't you want to know?? You want it to be a surprise?
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It doesn’t matter to me, no. It could matter in some way to the team trying to win the game. If I know who is starting that won’t affect the prep or outcome in any way.
 

Pompous Elitist said:
It doesn’t matter to me, no. It could matter in some way to the team trying to win the game. If I know who is starting that won’t affect the prep or outcome in any way.
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I respect your right to have the opinion that it doesn't matter to you.

I personally disagree with it, I want to know. And I don't bet on the games.
 

Jeshurun said:
What did I say that is not true?
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As far as I know, you said nothing untrue. And I don't have a clue who the better quarterback is or would be. But my point was that the two have played under completely different circumstances and game situations. One was a 40+ plus win at home, the other getting the nod in a hostile environment deep in their own territory. It would, IMHO, be unwise to try and make a comparative evaluation based on who has completed a pass or thrown an interception.
 

MaxyJR1 said:
Wildcats starting QB listed as doubtful for tomorrow. Back-up has thrown 3 passes and one 1int. Could be a battle of back-ups tomorrow.
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Well, that would be an interesting game. If their backup is playing, then I would want to see our backup play as well. Save Tanner for Wisconsin even if he can play tomorrow.
 





Plato said:
If PJ thinks he can catch Fitz by surprise with this childish secrecy about Morgan he is fooling himself.
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If Tanner is in protocol, he's in protocol.
I guess PJ could elaborate about what specific step he is in, but not sure what would be gained by that.

I felt all week Tanner would play Saturday just because I'm not sure he had a concussion in the first place. At best we have inconclusive data.

Sure, Fleck is being "coy" about it, but what else would you prefer he say at this point. "If Tanner is out of protocol he will start"?
 

howeda7 said:
It absolutely does have to do with gambling in the NFL.
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The NFL rule book says “Injury reports shall occur every week, for the benefit of sports gamblers.” ?

No. You’re entitled to your opinion. Even if 99.9% of their usage is for that purpose, I’m a guy who looks at the injury report of the Vikings every week because I’m curious who’s playing, and I never bet on the team. So that disproves the absolute. I’m sure there are others like me.
 



Face The Facts said:
If Tanner is in protocol, he's in protocol.
I guess PJ could elaborate about what specific step he is in, but not sure what would be gained by that.

I felt all week Tanner would play Saturday just because I'm not sure he had a concussion in the first place. At best we have inconclusive data.

Sure, Fleck is being "coy" about it, but what else would you prefer he say at this point. "If Tanner is out of protocol he will start"?
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I had a similar thought ... maybe he didn’t actually suffer a concussion.

But something did happen. The proof is he came out of the game. Trainers felt they had to say no. Fleck always does what trainers say, at least he always says that afterward.

So regardless, even if the two sacks were sub-concussive, he suffered hard enough blows that he was dizzy or something to that effect.

If I’m the trainer, I’m leaning towards the side of caution. Coming back too fast leads to a higher probability of something happening, this time worse.

Hypothetically, if a genie forced me to pick between these two options:
- win the NW game, but Morgan gets knocked out and is not available for Wisc, maybe not avail for BT champ
- lose NW game playing backup QB, but Morgan is avail for Wisc

Sorry but I’m going option two, every time. Those of course aren’t the only two options, in reality. Just saying hypothetically, given that difficult choice.
 

MnplsGopher said:
I had a similar thought ... maybe he didn’t actually suffer a concussion.

But something did happen. The proof is he came out of the game. Trainers felt they had to say no. Fleck always does what trainers say, at least he always says that afterward.

So regardless, even if the two sacks were sub-concussive, he suffered hard enough blows that he was dizzy or something to that effect.

If I’m the trainer, I’m leaning towards the side of caution. Coming back too fast leads to a higher probability of something happening, this time worse.

Hypothetically, if a genie forced me to pick between these two options:
- win the NW game, but Morgan gets knocked out and is not available for Wisc, maybe not avail for BT champ
- lose NW game playing backup QB, but Morgan is avail for Wisc

Sorry but I’m going option two, every time. Those of course aren’t the only two options, in reality. Just saying hypothetically, given that difficult choice.
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I agree, but I sense the situation isn't that dire.
Just a total guess from that perspective.
 

Maybe Morgan is just fine, and could’ve finished the Iowa game. Maybe he plays the whole game against NW, and we win 52-7, and takes no hits, suffers no injuries.
 

PitinoFan said:
That would be a more effectively argument if he was only running goal line plays. If you need 2 yards, Seth will get you 3. If you need 4 yards, Seth will get you 3. If he ever busts one for 20-30 maybe I’ll see it differently.
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His other carries are on 4th and 1 or 3rd and 1. The runs aren't even designed to be broken for long runs.

This is an odd take.
 

MnplsGopher said:
Maybe ... but we can't know for sure. In the NFL, I don't think there is too much dishonesty on the injury reports? I don't know how they control/enforce that.
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Tom Brady has been on the injury report for three straight years. He hasn't missed a game.
 

MnplsGopher said:
Hypothetically, if a genie forced me to pick between these two options:
- win the NW game, but Morgan gets knocked out and is not available for Wisc, maybe not avail for BT champ
- lose NW game playing backup QB, but Morgan is avail for Wisc

Sorry but I’m going option two, every time. Those of course aren’t the only two options, in reality. Just saying hypothetically, given that difficult choice.
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Really?....If those were the only two potential outcomes nobody in their right mind would go with option 1. That is not a difficult choice at all.

If they have any doubts about Morgan's ability to go I would 100% expect them to hold him out. Martin was apparently cleared to play against Penn State but Fleck kept him out because he didn't feel he was ready. One thing I think nobody needs to worry about with Fleck is his ability to see the big picture.

If Morgan is healthy and ready to go he will almost certainly play because he gives the team the best chance to win. This game doesn't matter for the West title but it does still matter for bowl selection and has other post season ramifications.
 


Question I can't answer: how soon before a game does a player have to be "cleared" in order to play?

My understanding is that the protocol is overseen by the trainers and medical staff. Based on their criteria, at some point, the player is either cleared to participate, or they determine he is not available. So, if the player is 'cleared' on Thursday, he could go through the practice/walk-through on Friday and play on Saturday. But, if the player is cleared on Friday, does he play on Saturday even if he hasn't practiced?

We hear the phrase "game-time decision" all the time with injuries - but I have to think that they handle a concussion differently than an ankle or a knee. So again - when does the player have to be 'cleared' in order to play that week? any ideas? thoughts? dirty limericks?
 

MnplsGopher said:
The NFL rule book says “Injury reports shall occur every week, for the benefit of sports gamblers.” ?

No. You’re entitled to your opinion. Even if 99.9% of their usage is for that purpose, I’m a guy who looks at the injury report of the Vikings every week because I’m curious who’s playing, and I never bet on the team. So that disproves the absolute. I’m sure there are others like me.
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That's fine that you don't look at them for that reason, but gambling is why they exist. Without an injury report, if a handful of big money gamblers found out that the starting QB (for example) was out but nobody else knew, they could devastate the casinos.

Do you honestly think they exist so curious fans who don't gamble can find out who's starting???
 

MnplsGopher said:
The NFL rule book says “Injury reports shall occur every week, for the benefit of sports gamblers.” ?

No. You’re entitled to your opinion. Even if 99.9% of their usage is for that purpose, I’m a guy who looks at the injury report of the Vikings every week because I’m curious who’s playing, and I never bet on the team. So that disproves the absolute. I’m sure there are others like me.
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What you (or I) want is irrelevant to why the NFL does it.
 

MNVCGUY said:
Really?....If those were the only two potential outcomes nobody in their right mind would go with option 1. That is not a difficult choice at all.

If they have any doubts about Morgan's ability to go I would 100% expect them to hold him out. Martin was apparently cleared to play against Penn State but Fleck kept him out because he didn't feel he was ready. One thing I think nobody needs to worry about with Fleck is his ability to see the big picture.

If Morgan is healthy and ready to go he will almost certainly play because he gives the team the best chance to win. This game doesn't matter for the West title but it does still matter for bowl selection and has other post season ramifications.
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Prior episodes with Durr and Annexstad show that the staff will play players that shouldn’t be out there. It may be true that after taking some criticism from some quarters they will be more circumspect going forward.

The concussion protocol is or should be pretty cut and dried. I’m sure Morgan wants to go. Sometimes discretion is the better part of valor and two weeks between getting hit may be more appropriate in some cases. If he goes I hope the line changes their best.
 

MnplsGopher said:
The NFL rule book says “Injury reports shall occur every week, for the benefit of sports gamblers.” ?

No. You’re entitled to your opinion. Even if 99.9% of their usage is for that purpose, I’m a guy who looks at the injury report of the Vikings every week because I’m curious who’s playing, and I never bet on the team. So that disproves the absolute. I’m sure there are others like me.
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Well, this confirms Gopher4Life’s miraculous rise from the dead.

The fact the NFL cares so much about gambling or what the participants in the gambling transactions think is a black mark on that industry. They know a substantial portion of the interest in the NFL game is more along the lines of betting interest in a horse race rather than real interest in the game/players/drama so they cater to that sect of fans. I hope amateur football never goes down the same road, the profiteering is already pretty gross and should be redirected.
 

MnplsGopher said:
The NFL rule book says “Injury reports shall occur every week, for the benefit of sports gamblers.” ?

No. You’re entitled to your opinion. Even if 99.9% of their usage is for that purpose, I’m a guy who looks at the injury report of the Vikings every week because I’m curious who’s playing, and I never bet on the team. So that disproves the absolute. I’m sure there are others like me.
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Does the rule book say that? No. But that's why it's required. And it's not to "benefit" gamblers, it's to prevent issues with insider information etc.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
His other carries are on 4th and 1 or 3rd and 1. The runs aren't even designed to be broken for long runs.

This is an odd take.
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Not as odd as suggesting they run the wildcat all game against Northwestern. What you suggested is true. That’s his purpose on the team. That’s it.
 

howeda7 said:
Does the rule book say that? No. But that's why it's required. And it's not to "benefit" gamblers, it's to prevent issues with insider information etc.
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So again, you’re claiming that the NFL explicitly implemented a rule because of sports gambling, and they publicly announced it as that?

If not, please elaborate why you think you’re correct beyond something like “well that’s what makes sense”.
 

MnplsGopher said:
So again, you’re claiming that the NFL explicitly implemented a rule because of sports gambling, and they publicly announced it as that?

If not, please elaborate why you think you’re correct beyond something like “well that’s what makes sense”.
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CBS Sports - NCAA punts on embracing gambling by rejecting national college football injury reports

Yahoo! Sports - With the onset of legalized betting, could injury reports be mandated in college football?

That's just a drop in the bucket. It's well-documented that the NFL's requiring injury reports is about gambling.
 

I’m not sure where I took a wrong turn, but I thought I was on the Gopher college football forum.
 

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