Is this team well coached?

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It's as simple as that folks. Answer that question for yourself. No sense in bashing Tubby. He's a great man and been a great coach over the years. These are all Tubby's guys. No significant injuries this year and it's a veteran squad- no frosh on the floor.
 


They're a terribly coached team obviously, but Tubby sure is a great dancer.
 






bga1 said:
It's as simple as that folks. Answer that question for yourself. No sense in bashing Tubby. He's a great man and been a great coach over the years. These are all Tubby's guys. No significant injuries this year and it's a veteran squad- no frosh on the floor.
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No

Thirty years coaching, has no offensive scheme.
Cannot attack a zone.
Substitution pattern is questionable at best
 

stupid question.....

anyone who says yes is a bigger idiot than the person who asked the question
 






Tubby Smith is the worst coach in the B1G. If it wasn't for Wisconsin giving us the game, Tubby would be 3-20 in the month of February. I firmly believe that our starting 5 would be improved under any other coach in the B1G. My answer is no. What a disappointing season. Tubby is a great person but his time has come.
 



Parski1 said:
Tubby Bashing time....here it comes!!!
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Parksi- you have been loyal to the end and that's very admirable. Really, I like that. Still I have to ask you the question- Is this team well coached in your opinion? A fan board like this is to express, share and yes vent opinions on Gopher buckets. I would love to hear your answer. I will support this team to the end of the year like I have for years and years and years but this game might have been the all time worst debacle I have seen.
 


bga1 said:
It's as simple as that folks. Answer that question for yourself. No sense in bashing Tubby. He's a great man and been a great coach over the years. These are all Tubby's guys. No significant injuries this year and it's a veteran squad- no frosh on the floor.
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I like to think Dre's foul trouble and Rodney's shoulder were a big reason this game got out of hand, but we were so passive against their zone. It must have taken 10-15 minutes of game clock before we even had a clue of the types of things we needed to do to break it. That's on coaching, but it certainly doesn't help when you have a couple of your leading scorers out.
 



There has not been one instance this year where I thought Tubby has coached this team to a victory. (Not saying there hasn't been such an instance, I just cannot remember one right now.)

I'm curious as to who would think this is a well coached team. Watch Wisconsin, Michigan State, Indiana, Butler, Duke over the course of 3 years side by side with Tubby's teams. Notice the calm, steady level headedness of these teams, then watch the panic, standing around, boneheaded mistakes made by the same people over and over, year after year, with no change.

Either Tubby is way smarter than everyone out there, or he isn't coaching... I'm going with the latter.
 


Winasota Gopher said:
There has not been one instance this year where I thought Tubby has coached this team to a victory. (Not saying there hasn't been such an instance, I just cannot remember one right now.)

I'm curious as to who would think this is a well coached team. Watch Wisconsin, Michigan State, Indiana, Butler, Duke over the course of 3 years side by side with Tubby's teams. Notice the calm, steady level headedness of these teams, then watch the panic, standing around, boneheaded mistakes made by the same people over and over, year after year, with no change.

Either Tubby is way smarter than everyone out there, or he isn't coaching... I'm going with the latter.
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I don't think we can say Wisconsin doesn't make boneheaded mistakes when Bruisers boneheaded mistake helped us win that game.
 

With the advent of the three point shot as an integral part of today's game, Tubby has proven that he can't recruit the type of player that would be successful in today's game, therefore Tubby cannot coach. The game has simply passed him by.
 

I'm going to go cross grain here and just say that it depends on how good you think this talent is. We have some unique and talented players, but I'm not sure any of them will be first round NBA picks. I don't know how many even play in the NBA. I believe Trevor will, but it's hard to imagine Rodney making a roster. Austin has a chance. Dre is a good college player, but I'm not sure about the big leagues.

Maybe Tubby has indeed done a decent job with this group, especially considering the complete lack of a bench. Maybe he got them playing so far over their heads early, which makes this coming down to earth so big of a thud.

Of course, none of the above explains the specific on-the-court difficulties that we see with our own eyes - the inability to handle certain defenses and make adjustments, the lack of motion and seeming lack of concept on offense, the stubborn adherence to an obsolete defensive system that nobody else in the world still uses, and in a larger sense the seeming inability to get players to understand and execute the schemes and game plans.

And, of course, there's the matter of scouting and procuring the starting players and the bench in the first place. Recruiting is part of the job.
 

They did run a nice out of bounds play today that resulted in a layup. That might have been the only positive.
 

Bad Gopher said:
I'm going to go cross grain here and just say that it depends on how good you think this talent is. We have some unique and talented players, but I'm not sure any of them will be first round NBA picks. I don't know how many even play in the NBA. I believe Trevor will, but it's hard to imagine Rodney making a roster. Austin has a chance. Dre is a good college player, but I'm not sure about the big leagues.

Maybe Tubby has indeed done a decent job with this group, especially considering the complete lack of a bench. Maybe he got them playing so far over their heads early, which makes this coming down to earth so big of a thud.

Of course, none of the above explains the specific on-the-court difficulties that we see with our own eyes - the inability to handle certain defenses and make adjustments, the lack of motion and seeming lack of concept on offense, the stubborn adherence to an obsolete defensive system that nobody else in the world still uses, and in a larger sense the seeming inability to get players to understand and execute the schemes and game plans.

And, of course, there's the matter of scouting and procuring the starting players and the bench in the first place. Recruiting is part of the job.
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Bad- There is talent and a good amount of it. Now the question is whether or no they are a good blend of talent. How many teams have 4 players that have been considered present or future first round draft picks at one time or another. Rodney, Trevor, Austin and Andre all have that level of talent. Now as a coach you have to figure out how to work with that.

Perhaps having Coleman and Rodney on the court at the same time just makes it far too easy to defense us (zone comes to mind). So maybe one of those two shouldn't have been starting. It sure would be nice to see someone come off the bench that you have hope for as a sparkplug. Or...if the balance of the roster was so far off maybe we should have recruited a few different guys instead of loading up with similar type players.
 

scher215 said:
I don't think we can say Wisconsin doesn't make boneheaded mistakes when Bruisers boneheaded mistake helped us win that game.
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ALL teams make boneheaded plays. We make them consistently. That's the perspective one has to use.
 

bga1 said:
Bad- There is talent and a good amount of it. Now the question is whether or no they are a good blend of talent. How many teams have 4 players that have been considered present or future first round draft picks at one time or another. Rodney, Trevor, Austin and Andre all have that level of talent. Now as a coach you have to figure out how to work with that.

Perhaps having Coleman and Rodney on the court at the same time just makes it far too easy to defense us (zone comes to mind). So maybe one of those two shouldn't have been starting. It sure would be nice to see someone come off the bench that you have hope for as a sparkplug. Or...if the balance of the roster was so far off maybe we should have recruited a few different guys instead of loading up with similar type players.
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Although I'm with you to a certain extent, this team has less NBA talent than the other Gopher teams that have made splashes in the NCAA tournament. My observation has always been that that's the best predictor of post-season success: how many players do you have who end up playing a game in the NBA? A crude but true measurement. It's impossible to say until after the fact, but I would guess this team has 2. The '89, '90 and '97 teams had lots more.
 

When the Tubby Bashers tone down their Tubby Bashing, then I'll offer up my honest heart felt opinions about Tubby's coaching prowess or lack of it.

Until that day, I'll keep trying to bring some balance to the discussion. Until the final tick tock of the clock in our final game of the season, hopefully in the Elite 8?! lol, yeah, still dreaming. Simply don't want to wake up guys. I closed my eyes and dreamed on through some rough patches in 1989 and 1990 as well, and was able to wake up with a smile on my face.


Not so sure that is going to happen this year, but like I've been saying over and over again, FULLY FIVE Big Ten teams are ranked AHEAD of us, and in the Top 13 of the Sagarin Ratings, probably the most accurate and respected rating system out there. We are the 6th Big Ten team in the Top 15.

Illinois and Iowa make up teams #7 and #8 in the Top 40, and well, probably the Top 35 now.

Never in my life have I seen the Big Ten so strong, top to bottom.


And good teams have an uncanny ability to make their opponents look worse than they are, and BAD teams have the uncanny ability of making their opponents look better than they are.
 


Tubby's coaching = Elliot's dancing

Both a major embarrassment!
 

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