Is Teague playing chess while we are playing checkers or should we be worried?

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An Ames based Cyclone beat writer was able to confirm Doogie's report that Minnesota is going after Fred Hoiberg. To me, there are not 10 coaches in all of college basketball who are less likely to move than Hoiberg. If Teague/Ellis have all these connections (and I am not doubting that they do), why are they going after someone that's seemingly unattainable?

The public pressure to hire Flip will likely be immense if Hoiberg decides to stay at ISU in the next 24-48 hours. The Gophers will have lost out on at least 2 candidates (maybe Stevens being the 3rd) and when it becomes public knowledge that you've been turned down by choices A and B, it gets progressively harder to find a candidate. Maybe Chris Mack (as an example) would take the job it if appeared publicly like he was the top choice (or choice number 2 behind Shaka), but do you leave a pretty good job at Xavier to be someone else's 3rd, 4th, or 5th choice?

I think we have to hope that Teague/Ellis are playing "footsie" with Hoiberg to take the media off the scent of someone else who needs to be discreet right now. I hope that's the case. If that is the case, the Teague/Ellis are playing chess, and we should all be excited about the future of Gopher Basketball.

The other option that would make sense (but seems like such a long shot) is that Hoiberg actually is really interested in the Gophers job and wants to go to his second home where he doesn't have to live off of transfers and Juco's.
 

Neither, it's Thursday of week 1 and the biggest domino hasn't even fallen (UCLA).

He is merely going through an evaluation and a negotiation process. Don't confuse agents playing our local "sports journalists" like a fiddle for him grasping for straws. These things can take a little bit of time.
 

We lost Tubby...believed we had Shaka......Be worried!
 


I may be overly gullible, but I just find it hard that he fires Tubby without some sort of plan in place or knowledge of interest in the position.
 


Parski1 said:
We lost Tubby...believed we had Shaka......Be worried!
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Tubby is gone...FACT. Believed we had Shaka...BS, on rumors only. Be worried...why, it is 3 days into a Nationwide Search.

Let Teague do his due diligence, and stop the "worry wart" complex.
 

I honestly don't believe anything coming from "sources" right now. I think after the Tubby leak fiasco - nothing is getting out. I do think they are doing their due diligence by measuring interest but I also think the guy is no one who has been mentioned yet.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
You thought we had Shaka or do you honestly believe that people thought Shaka was going to come here?
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I think the majority thought we had Shaka after firing Tubby so fast....Even if they say they didn't to save face. Oh wait...Buzz is going to the Elite 8...no way Marquette leaves this guy go. Check him off the list too.
 

Parski1 said:
I think the majority thought we had Shaka after firing Tubby so fast....Even if they say they didn't to save face. Oh wait...Buzz is going to the Elite 8...no way Marquette leaves this guy go. Check him off the list.
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I don't think anyone thought we had Tubby until some people got sucked up into the rumor threads. When Tubby was fired, people HOPED for Shaka but we're realistic. It's like the Stevens talk.
 



So there is no way that he had a coach lined up right? I really hope they can get someone soon he needs to hit the AAU circuit hard April-July.
 

Parski1 said:
I think the majority thought we had Shaka after firing Tubby so fast....Even if they say they didn't to save face. Oh wait...Buzz is going to the Elite 8...no way Marquette leaves this guy go. Check him off the list too.
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Buzz, Shaka, Stevens - they all seem(ed) like complete long shots. Grant, Marshall - decent possibilities I think.
 


Since NT got here, I think we all fell into the "eventually Shaka comes here" trap. There are no guarantees on anything and no promises made by anyone that he would ever come here.

That being said...after the firing of Tubby, we were all convinces that Shaka would be moving his stuff into the office while Tubby was moving out...again, without anyone (in the administration) ever even acknowledging talking to him.

We assume to much...and expect too much...too soon.

I agree with Dr Don...lets give this the weekend to mature.
 



It has been 3 days. 3. Start worry once it's been 3 weeks.

Seriously, I hope this type of thing is now confined to this thread.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
Neither, it's Thursday of week 1 and the biggest domino hasn't even fallen (UCLA).

He is merely going through an evaluation and a negotiation process. Don't confuse agents playing our local "sports journalists" like a fiddle for him grasping for straws. These things can take a little bit of time.
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Sure, but a large percentage of the public listens to these "sports journalists" and both Shaka and Hoiberg have been confirmed as targets by sources outside the Twin Cities. The average Gopher fan, is going to be up in arms if/when Hoiberg announces he's staying in Ames. It becomes impossible to sell a guy like Anthony Grant or Chris Mack to the fan base instead of Flip Saunders if the public believes that you took your 4th or 5th college option over the local guy with a bigger name.

I think a guy like Anthony Grant or Chris Mack could/should be looked at as a solid hire considering a guy like Frank Haith got the Missouri job which many would agree is at least in the same general area as the Minnesota job. I think it's too bad that a guy like that could come in and be viewed as a disappointment at his introductory press conference.

If the average fan took your perspective on the search, I wouldn't be the least bit worried about the rumors.
 

EG#9 said:
An Ames based Cyclone beat writer was able to confirm Doogie's report that Minnesota is going after Fred Hoiberg. To me, there are not 10 coaches in all of college basketball who are less likely to move than Hoiberg. If Teague/Ellis have all these connections (and I am not doubting that they do), why are they going after someone that's seemingly unattainable?

The public pressure to hire Flip will likely be immense if Hoiberg decides to stay at ISU in the next 24-48 hours. The Gophers will have lost out on at least 2 candidates (maybe Stevens being the 3rd) and when it becomes public knowledge that you've been turned down by choices A and B, it gets progressively harder to find a candidate. Maybe Chris Mack (as an example) would take the job it if appeared publicly like he was the top choice (or choice number 2 behind Shaka), but do you leave a pretty good job at Xavier to be someone else's 3rd, 4th, or 5th choice?

I think we have to hope that Teague/Ellis are playing "footsie" with Hoiberg to take the media off the scent of someone else who needs to be discreet right now. I hope that's the case. If that is the case, the Teague/Ellis are playing chess, and we should all be excited about the future of Gopher Basketball.

The other option that would make sense (but seems like such a long shot) is that Hoiberg actually is really interested in the Gophers job and wants to go to his second home where he doesn't have to live off of transfers and Juco's.
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I thought we already were.
 

As many posters have suggested, I suspect there is a lot of misinformation flying around. It's actually very interesting...like a chess match. Enjoy....this is just college athletics after all. No one is going to get hurt.

Ohhhh.... and when Doogie speaks, I turn down the sound.
 

EG#9 said:
the Missouri job which many would agree is at least in the same general area as the Minnesota job
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Many who don't follow college basketball, perhaps.

Of course, you think Minnesota is a better job than Iowa St., so...yeah.
 

The Gopher job is no prize making it unlikely any big name is coming here. NT cannot paint the picture any better than it is. The best the Gophers can hope for IMO is a Jerry Kill type who has been successful at a mid-major or an assistant at a high-level program who has some HC experience.
 

dpodoll68 said:
Many who don't follow college basketball, perhaps.

Of course, you think Minnesota is a better job than Iowa St., so...yeah.
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Totally agree. Why in gods green earth do people think MN is a better job that ISU? Just curious, not ripping.
 

I have a source, yet to confirm, that its been three days.

My source also suggests the fans/media found out about the hiring of Tubby within hours of his press conference
 


I think that Teague is going through his process and he thinks that his top 10 are better than Tubby was as far as energy and potential. He has to feel out who really wants to come here before pulling the trigger. He can say that a practice facility is on the way but he has to get a coach to believe and trust it. The next coach will have a much easier job just because they have an administrator like Teague in their corner. There are three coaches working in the sweet 16 that could still end up here. I'm not worried just anxiously waiting. He's going after the long shots now and buying time, if one of them takes it, he wins. He interviewed Grant likely knowing he was never going to hire the guy to MN because it would be too high a risk.
 

dpodoll68 said:
Many who don't follow college basketball, perhaps.

Of course, you think Minnesota is a better job than Iowa St., so...yeah.
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Not that I respected your basketball knowledge anyways, but are you trying to say not only is ISU a better job than Minnesota (which is laugable), but ISU is a better job than Missouri( which is equally laughable). I might know more about the ISU program than I do about the Minnesota program, but someone like yourself will not listen to anyone who is more knowledgeable than yourself on a particular issue (ex: your feud with Gopher Warrior over how much Tubby was paid).

Frank Haith is a less accomplished coach than either Chris Mack or Anthony Grant and Missouri is a solid job.
 

This idea that Teague has already been turned by choice A, B and C is simply based on rumors only. No one knows other than the powers that be what has transpired before Tubby was fired and after he was fired.

Everyone thought with Tubby being fired so fast the next coach is in waiting and was going to be announced within hours of Tubby being gone. For all any of us know the next coach has already been identified and details need to be worked out or the next coach is still coaching his current team in one of the tourneys.

However, it could be that we should be worried and Teague took a risk thought he had this all figured out and he was completely wrong.

Coaching searches sure are fun.
 


Johnnyboy18 said:
Kind of random but Howard Pulley has a practice facility and the Gophers don't......
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Let's be honest. The Gophers have a facility to practice in. What they don't have is an SOA practice facility to brag about to future recruits.
 

More like we are playing chess while Teague and Co. are playing checkers. Let's not overly complicate the issues, oh wait, that wouldn't be the Minn. way.
 

tinyarch said:
Let's be honest. The Gophers have a facility to practice in. What they don't have is an SOA practice facility to brag about to future recruits.
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Is that anything like DOA, MOA, BOA? May be close to an SOS though.
 

EG#9 said:
Not that I respected your basketball knowledge anyways
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The feeling is very much mutual. I honestly can't recall a good take you've had about anything ever. I find myself thinking "wtf is he talking about?" with your posts as much or more than any poster.

EG#9 said:
but are you trying to say not only is ISU a better job than Minnesota (which is laugable)
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Not sure what "laugable" means, but ISU is unequivocally a better job than Minnesota.

EG#9 said:
but ISU is a better job than Missouri( which is equally laughable).
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Nope. Not sure how you inferred that from anything I've said.

EG#9 said:
I might know more about the ISU program than I do about the Minnesota program
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Not enough to know that it is a better program (and a better job) than Minnesota, apparently. If you're such the ISU expert, why are you on a Minnesota board?

EG#9 said:
but someone like yourself will not listen to anyone who is more knowledgeable than yourself on a particular issue
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Sure I will. I do all of the time. This is most certainly not one of those times.

EG#9 said:
Frank Haith is a less accomplished coach than either Chris Mack or Anthony Grant
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Lane Kiffin and Will Muschamp are less accomplished coaches than Chris Petersen. Therefore, Boise St. is a better football job than USC or Florida.
 

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