Iowa, Iowa State investigating athletes gambling

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Catechol said:
I can see the kids messing around for some easy money, but isn’t it a federal offense for athletes to fix games? Because it involves defrauding people who have bet across state lines?
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Placing a bet and fixing games aren't the same. First, the athlete in question would have had to bet on the game they were participating in, and nothing has come out to suggest anything like that.
 

Hot on the heels of multiple investigations into shady officiating

Wait, what?
 

Just came across this news about the investigation into athletes gambling at Iowa and Iowa State. It's definitely a serious matter that the NCAA and Iowa Gaming Commission are looking into. As someone who enjoys online gambling, I understand the allure, but it's crucial to follow the rules and regulations set by the NCAA.
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GopherTheJugular said:
I think it was an ESPN article? But I too remember reading that places like Draft Kings and Fan Duel or whatever took zero action on the game.


Yeah, that's what puzzles me too. Ok, so it was someone the coach knew who was placing the bet in Ohio. But still, if it was more than a grand, it's gonna stand out BIG TIME and if it's less than a grand, why bother risking your livelihood for a few hundred bucks???
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Gee, could it be that online gambling is as addictive as any drug? A huge number of people can’t stop? They hope it’s their 401K?
 



GopherTheJugular said:
Placing a bet and fixing games aren't the same. First, the athlete in question would have had to bet on the game they were participating in, and nothing has come out to suggest anything like that.
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True, but the trajectory on this is athletes betting get in the hole and become easy targets to fix games they are connected to. More likely in illegal betting, but can see it extending into online or other betting.
 

Ope3 said:
Yes, what I found surprising was that there is enough public interest in NCAA regular season baseball to make it worth the sportsbooks while to set a line for such action.

I can't remember the source, but the only bets placed on the game in question (Alabama-LSU) in the whole country with MGM were the ones connected to the fired Bama coach.

Pretty easy to flag.
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This is what I was getting at. For a book to take action, they have to have oddmakers setting odds on the game. NCAA baseball is such a niche sport I was surprised any book would bother having someone follow the sport enough to do this. Sure, gambling junkies will bet on anything, but that doesn't mean that the option is available. I could say I want to place $500 on Johns Hopkins womens field hockey today, but no sportsbook is going to have that option.
 

There are places in Vegas that take bets on college hockey...you would be surprised what you can find.
 



Spoke with a moderately connected friend in Iowa. The rumor in his circle is that the Iowa Gaming Commission is investigating underage gambling and that is what got the ball rolling. It's a misdemeanor in Iowa to gamble without being 21 and there were found to be widespread violations of that law among students at both schools and the rest of the population as well.

For student-athletes, the bigger concern is that the NCAA bans them from wagers on any sport with an NCAA championship, so essentially any SA who bets on any college sports is in violation of the rule. My contact hasn't heard of any indications that anyone involved at Iowa or ISU is suspected of point shaving, game fixing or the like, but the scepter of an NCAA investigation is a concern since no one knows how that would proceed, how long it would take, how thorough it would be or what penalties might arise from it.
 

2nd Degree Gopher said:
Spoke with a moderately connected friend in Iowa. The rumor in his circle is that the Iowa Gaming Commission is investigating underage gambling and that is what got the ball rolling. It's a misdemeanor in Iowa to gamble without being 21 and there were found to be widespread violations of that law among students at both schools and the rest of the population as well.

For student-athletes, the bigger concern is that the NCAA bans them from wagers on any sport with an NCAA championship, so essentially any SA who bets on any college sports is in violation of the rule. My contact hasn't heard of any indications that anyone involved at Iowa or ISU is suspected of point shaving, game fixing or the like, but the scepter of an NCAA investigation is a concern since no one knows how that would proceed, how long it would take, how thorough it would be or what penalties might arise from it.
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So I'm assuming that means there is no problem with them gambling on pro sports (as long as they're 21+)? How dumb can you be to gamble on NCAA games then.
 

GophersInIowa said:
So I'm assuming that means there is no problem with them gambling on pro sports (as long as they're 21+)? How dumb can you be to gamble on NCAA games then.
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I think that is correct. I suppose the allure of betting on what you know or who you know is too hard for some to resist.
 

highwayman said:
Gee, could it be that online gambling is as addictive as any drug? A huge number of people can’t stop? They hope it’s their 401K?
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Did you actually read any details from the Alabama coach's story before posting this? Your comment suggests otherwise.
 




Dave H said:
There are places in Vegas that take bets on college hockey...you would be surprised what you can find.
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True, but then there are other places that won't even take bets on NHL games.
 

Sounds like DT Noah Shannon was named as one of the players being investigated and stepped down from appearing at big10 media days because of it.
 


As soon as gambling on college sports became legal it was inevitable that things like this would happen.
For example, the NCAA does not have a mandatory injury report like the NFL does. PJ, like many coaches, gives out no or little details about injuries.
If I were a whale at betting the Gophers I could gift the trainers a few $$$ for inside information or even some bench players who get pennies from the NIL.
Who knows better the physical and psychological condition of a team than the players?
 

Character is pretty much the best weapon on this one. Hard to gauge in the end.
 

Plato said:
As soon as gambling on college sports became legal it was inevitable that things like this would happen.
For example, the NCAA does not have a mandatory injury report like the NFL does. PJ, like many coaches, gives out no or little details about injuries.
If I were a whale at betting the Gophers I could gift the trainers a few $$$ for inside information or even some bench players who get pennies from the NIL.
Who knows better the physical and psychological condition of a team than the players?
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this. if you're willing to wait and bet lines close to kick on teams you follow, you can make a ton of advantageous bets. much easier for the fan to know who is likely to play/not play for college teams versus the nfl who's releasing injury reports multiple times a week versus college where it's hidden.
 


Plato said:
As soon as gambling on college sports became legal it was inevitable that things like this would happen.
For example, the NCAA does not have a mandatory injury report like the NFL does. PJ, like many coaches, gives out no or little details about injuries.
If I were a whale at betting the Gophers I could gift the trainers a few $$$ for inside information or even some bench players who get pennies from the NIL.
Who knows better the physical and psychological condition of a team than the players?
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Yep. Imagine knowing Mo wasn't going to play against Purdue, for example.
 



Living here in Iowa the summer rumors are ablaze that Iowa State's starting QB is in serious trouble due to sports gambling. Supposedly his likeness has been removed from all official ISU athletic sites and he was not included in Big12 Media Days. Coach has evaded any questions regarding the matter and has only stated that investigations are ongoing.
 


Scottsdale Gopher said:
Yep. Imagine knowing Mo wasn't going to play against Purdue, for example.
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Yeah, imagine that. You think you have a hot take, bet some money on it, and then MBS comes down with that TD pass instead of it getting intercepted, and your "inside information" ends up costing you.
 

GopherTheJugular said:
Yeah, imagine that. You think you have a hot take, bet some money on it, and then MBS comes down with that TD pass instead of it getting intercepted, and your "inside information" ends up costing you.
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Probably not. Gophers were 9 pt favorites.

Betting the spread, Gophers would have been more likely to win outright but still unlikely they would have covered if MBS makes the catch (or at least got enough to prevent the INT).
 

GopherTheJugular said:
Yeah, imagine that. You think you have a hot take, bet some money on it, and then MBS comes down with that TD pass instead of it getting intercepted, and your "inside information" ends up costing you.
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Tell me you don’t know about betting markets without telling me you don’t know about betting markets. If the books had known Mo was sitting, the lines would have moved by several points.
 

Scottsdale Gopher said:
Tell me you don’t know about betting markets without telling me you don’t know about betting markets. If the books had known Mo was sitting, the lines would have moved by several points.
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Not to mention available prop action would have moved a lot.
 

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