Invalid fair catch signal

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Schnauzer said:
Someday I will look back at my life and be disgusted with myself about how much time I wasted educating people on a 2023 Invalid Fair Catch Signal referee video review play reversal from 2023.

Iowa fans simply won't let it die, and I have anointed myself to be the person to educate every last one of them, one at a time.

We all remember the play. Every time it is brought up on line, it is the same things:

1. He wasn't signaling fair catch (nobody is saying he was. he was waving his left arm, which is an INVALID FAIR CATCH signal)

2. Well, if it was a fair catch, why were the Minnesota players trying to tackle him (because players play until the whistle and it wasn't a fair catch, it was an invalid fair catch and it wasn't called until video review, at which time everything that came after Dejean fielding the ball is wiped away, including the time that had expired during the null run back).

3. That is a "phantom rule" that NEVER gets called. (It was called on the Gophers just a couple games earlier, and it was called in last year's college football playoff, to just name two examples. It does get called.)

4. That play is not reviewable (Just google "is invalid fair catch a reviewable play in college football." It most certainly is reviewable).

5. Well, they were reviewing for going out of bounds. You can't review for one thing and find something else. (see #4, when a play like that is reviewed, the entire play is reviewed).

6. They just reversed it because of gambling and point spreads. (It was reversed because it is a real rule and the waving of the left arm was obvious on review. If you truly believe the game is THAT compromised by gambling, what are you doing caring about it)?

7. He was just waving people away! (Which is an invalid fair catch signal. You literally just admitted he performed an invalid fair catch signal).

8. He was just pointing at the ball. (yes, with his right arm, while he was waving his left arm).

9. There was no way he was signaling for fair catch (but his actions were an invalid fair catch signal regardless what his intent was).

10. Iowa was totally screwed! (except both the B1G 10 and NCAA came out later to comment on the call to confirm it was the right call, and now it is clearly seen in reffing conversations as the correct call).

11. It's a dumb rule that shouldn't exist (Perhaps, that is subjective. But, if it didn't exist there is no doubt that returners would continually push the limits of fake fair catch signal vs real fair catch signal).

In a nutshell, I am amazed that two years later most Iowa (and even a few MN) fans literally don't know what was called, but they will argue it all day long as if they have the NCAA football rulebook memorized.
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You should channel your energy into pointing out to Hawkeye fans that even after the call, they had more than 1:30 of game clock with a Time Out to advance the ball roughly 20-25 yds on offense into pretty reasonable FG range.

Iowa. Failed.

Of course that runs the risk of Hawkeye fans pointing out that currently the Floyd of Rosedale currently is hanging out in Iowa City.
 

Schnauzer said:
Someday I will look back at my life and be disgusted with myself about how much time I wasted educating people on a 2023 Invalid Fair Catch Signal referee video review play reversal from 2023.

Iowa fans simply won't let it die, and I have anointed myself to be the person to educate every last one of them, one at a time.

We all remember the play. Every time it is brought up on line, it is the same things:

1. He wasn't signaling fair catch (nobody is saying he was. he was waving his left arm, which is an INVALID FAIR CATCH signal)

2. Well, if it was a fair catch, why were the Minnesota players trying to tackle him (because players play until the whistle and it wasn't a fair catch, it was an invalid fair catch and it wasn't called until video review, at which time everything that came after Dejean fielding the ball is wiped away, including the time that had expired during the null run back).

3. That is a "phantom rule" that NEVER gets called. (It was called on the Gophers just a couple games earlier, and it was called in last year's college football playoff, to just name two examples. It does get called.)

4. That play is not reviewable (Just google "is invalid fair catch a reviewable play in college football." It most certainly is reviewable).

5. Well, they were reviewing for going out of bounds. You can't review for one thing and find something else. (see #4, when a play like that is reviewed, the entire play is reviewed).

6. They just reversed it because of gambling and point spreads. (It was reversed because it is a real rule and the waving of the left arm was obvious on review. If you truly believe the game is THAT compromised by gambling, what are you doing caring about it)?

7. He was just waving people away! (Which is an invalid fair catch signal. You literally just admitted he performed an invalid fair catch signal).

8. He was just pointing at the ball. (yes, with his right arm, while he was waving his left arm).

9. There was no way he was signaling for fair catch (but his actions were an invalid fair catch signal regardless what his intent was).

10. Iowa was totally screwed! (except both the B1G 10 and NCAA came out later to comment on the call to confirm it was the right call, and now it is clearly seen in reffing conversations as the correct call).

11. It's a dumb rule that shouldn't exist (Perhaps, that is subjective. But, if it didn't exist there is no doubt that returners would continually push the limits of fake fair catch signal vs real fair catch signal).

In a nutshell, I am amazed that two years later most Iowa (and even a few MN) fans literally don't know what was called, but they will argue it all day long as if they have the NCAA football rulebook memorized.
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Brilliant analysis. I'm just glad I was at the game to watch the Hawk fans go into shock.
 

Ope3 said:
You should channel your energy into pointing out to Hawkeye fans that even after the call, they had more than 1:30 of game clock with a Time Out to advance the ball roughly 20-25 yds on offense into pretty reasonable FG range.

Iowa. Failed.

Of course that runs the risk of Hawkeye fans pointing out that currently the Floyd of Rosedale currently is hanging out in Iowa City.
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And add that the Big Ten admitted after the game there should have been a penalty on Iowa on the punt for leaping that would have given the Gophers the ball back and a 1st down.
 

GophersInIowa said:
And add that the Big Ten admitted after the game there should have been a penalty on Iowa on the punt for leaping that would have given the Gophers the ball back and a 1st down.
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That was on the same play? Do you have a link that explains that? Not that I don't trust or believe you... it would just be helpful for my ongoing whack-a-mole crusade over that play.
 

Schnauzer said:
That was on the same play? Do you have a link that explains that? Not that I don't trust or believe you... it would just be helpful for my ongoing whack-a-mole crusade over that play.
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I don’t have a link but I can corroborate same memory

Iowa should’ve been assessed a 15 yard penalty automatic first down gophers game over

I am more upset about the Mo fumble than Iowa is about the invalid fair catch though. Would be fun to win 2/3 someday soon
 


Schnauzer said:
Someday I will look back at my life and be disgusted with myself about how much time I wasted educating people on a 2023 Invalid Fair Catch Signal referee video review play reversal from 2023.

Iowa fans simply won't let it die, and I have anointed myself to be the person to educate every last one of them, one at a time.

We all remember the play. Every time it is brought up on line, it is the same things:

1. He wasn't signaling fair catch (nobody is saying he was. he was waving his left arm, which is an INVALID FAIR CATCH signal)

2. Well, if it was a fair catch, why were the Minnesota players trying to tackle him (because players play until the whistle and it wasn't a fair catch, it was an invalid fair catch and it wasn't called until video review, at which time everything that came after Dejean fielding the ball is wiped away, including the time that had expired during the null run back).

3. That is a "phantom rule" that NEVER gets called. (It was called on the Gophers just a couple games earlier, and it was called in last year's college football playoff, to just name two examples. It does get called.)

4. That play is not reviewable (Just google "is invalid fair catch a reviewable play in college football." It most certainly is reviewable).

5. Well, they were reviewing for going out of bounds. You can't review for one thing and find something else. (see #4, when a play like that is reviewed, the entire play is reviewed).

6. They just reversed it because of gambling and point spreads. (It was reversed because it is a real rule and the waving of the left arm was obvious on review. If you truly believe the game is THAT compromised by gambling, what are you doing caring about it)?

7. He was just waving people away! (Which is an invalid fair catch signal. You literally just admitted he performed an invalid fair catch signal).

8. He was just pointing at the ball. (yes, with his right arm, while he was waving his left arm).

9. There was no way he was signaling for fair catch (but his actions were an invalid fair catch signal regardless what his intent was).

10. Iowa was totally screwed! (except both the B1G 10 and NCAA came out later to comment on the call to confirm it was the right call, and now it is clearly seen in reffing conversations as the correct call).

11. It's a dumb rule that shouldn't exist (Perhaps, that is subjective. But, if it didn't exist there is no doubt that returners would continually push the limits of fake fair catch signal vs real fair catch signal).

In a nutshell, I am amazed that two years later most Iowa (and even a few MN) fans literally don't know what was called, but they will argue it all day long as if they have the NCAA football rulebook memorized.
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www.si.com

Big Ten officiating coordinator says yep, it was a fair catch in Iowa-Minnesota

Cooper DeJean's fair catch was ruled correctly, Bill Carollo says.
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"The issue wasn't that DeJean pointed at the ball with his right arm — a signal to tell his teammates to stay away — it was that he was waving his left arm at the same time.

"Once any waving happens, the ball is going to be dead," Carollo said, via The Gazette's John Steppe. "You can point, but you can’t point one arm and then wave the other way to get away." Carollo added that it was a "standard rule that's reviewable" and a "properly" overturned call."

Simple.
 

Schnauzer said:
Someday I will look back at my life and be disgusted with myself about how much time I wasted educating people on a 2023 Invalid Fair Catch Signal referee video review play reversal from 2023.

Iowa fans simply won't let it die, and I have anointed myself to be the person to educate every last one of them, one at a time.

We all remember the play. Every time it is brought up on line, it is the same things:

1. He wasn't signaling fair catch (nobody is saying he was. he was waving his left arm, which is an INVALID FAIR CATCH signal)

2. Well, if it was a fair catch, why were the Minnesota players trying to tackle him (because players play until the whistle and it wasn't a fair catch, it was an invalid fair catch and it wasn't called until video review, at which time everything that came after Dejean fielding the ball is wiped away, including the time that had expired during the null run back).

3. That is a "phantom rule" that NEVER gets called. (It was called on the Gophers just a couple games earlier, and it was called in last year's college football playoff, to just name two examples. It does get called.)

4. That play is not reviewable (Just google "is invalid fair catch a reviewable play in college football." It most certainly is reviewable).

5. Well, they were reviewing for going out of bounds. You can't review for one thing and find something else. (see #4, when a play like that is reviewed, the entire play is reviewed).

6. They just reversed it because of gambling and point spreads. (It was reversed because it is a real rule and the waving of the left arm was obvious on review. If you truly believe the game is THAT compromised by gambling, what are you doing caring about it)?

7. He was just waving people away! (Which is an invalid fair catch signal. You literally just admitted he performed an invalid fair catch signal).

8. He was just pointing at the ball. (yes, with his right arm, while he was waving his left arm).

9. There was no way he was signaling for fair catch (but his actions were an invalid fair catch signal regardless what his intent was).

10. Iowa was totally screwed! (except both the B1G 10 and NCAA came out later to comment on the call to confirm it was the right call, and now it is clearly seen in reffing conversations as the correct call).

11. It's a dumb rule that shouldn't exist (Perhaps, that is subjective. But, if it didn't exist there is no doubt that returners would continually push the limits of fake fair catch signal vs real fair catch signal).

In a nutshell, I am amazed that two years later most Iowa (and even a few MN) fans literally don't know what was called, but they will argue it all day long as if they have the NCAA football rulebook memorized.
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You forgot one that they like to bring up: He wasn't waving his arm above his shoulders, so it wasn't a fair catch signal.
 

Schnauzer said:
That was on the same play? Do you have a link that explains that? Not that I don't trust or believe you... it would just be helpful for my ongoing whack-a-mole crusade over that play.
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Yes. Here is my post about it. I know the Big Ten did state something about this. Will try to look further when I have time.

What Big Ten’s Bill Carollo would do same, differently on infamous invalid fair catch call in Iowa-Minnesota game

Per Steppe: Cooper DeJean’s invalid fair catch — the infamous one in Iowa’s loss to Minnesota — has stayed fresh in the minds of many from the Hawkeye State. “I still think it wasn’t a fair catch,” DeJean said earlier this year while at the NFL Combine in Indianapolis. A few months later and...
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Schnauzer said:
Someday I will look back at my life and be disgusted with myself about how much time I wasted educating people on a 2023 Invalid Fair Catch Signal referee video review play reversal from 2023.

Iowa fans simply won't let it die, and I have anointed myself to be the person to educate every last one of them, one at a time.

We all remember the play. Every time it is brought up on line, it is the same things:

1. He wasn't signaling fair catch (nobody is saying he was. he was waving his left arm, which is an INVALID FAIR CATCH signal)

2. Well, if it was a fair catch, why were the Minnesota players trying to tackle him (because players play until the whistle and it wasn't a fair catch, it was an invalid fair catch and it wasn't called until video review, at which time everything that came after Dejean fielding the ball is wiped away, including the time that had expired during the null run back).

3. That is a "phantom rule" that NEVER gets called. (It was called on the Gophers just a couple games earlier, and it was called in last year's college football playoff, to just name two examples. It does get called.)

4. That play is not reviewable (Just google "is invalid fair catch a reviewable play in college football." It most certainly is reviewable).

5. Well, they were reviewing for going out of bounds. You can't review for one thing and find something else. (see #4, when a play like that is reviewed, the entire play is reviewed).

6. They just reversed it because of gambling and point spreads. (It was reversed because it is a real rule and the waving of the left arm was obvious on review. If you truly believe the game is THAT compromised by gambling, what are you doing caring about it)?

7. He was just waving people away! (Which is an invalid fair catch signal. You literally just admitted he performed an invalid fair catch signal).

8. He was just pointing at the ball. (yes, with his right arm, while he was waving his left arm).

9. There was no way he was signaling for fair catch (but his actions were an invalid fair catch signal regardless what his intent was).

10. Iowa was totally screwed! (except both the B1G 10 and NCAA came out later to comment on the call to confirm it was the right call, and now it is clearly seen in reffing conversations as the correct call).

11. It's a dumb rule that shouldn't exist (Perhaps, that is subjective. But, if it didn't exist there is no doubt that returners would continually push the limits of fake fair catch signal vs real fair catch signal).

In a nutshell, I am amazed that two years later most Iowa (and even a few MN) fans literally don't know what was called, but they will argue it all day long as if they have the NCAA football rulebook memorized.
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Point #2 is the key here. The Gophers did not let up. They did not think it was a fair catch. PJ did not react at all when it wasn't blown dead, other than to stare on in disbelief.

BUT NONE OF THAT MATTERS.

Iowa has gotten away with a lot of BS against us over the years, including running the exact same play two years in a row with an outright tackle of the Middle Linebacker (wrap up and take down, no question about it) as the deciding play in the game.

Nothing makes me happier than Iowa getting a correct call against them instead of celebrating getting away with another BS play and winning the game. The fact that it was a technical infraction vs. a penalty made it even sweeter.

Hopefully, we decide to play a full 60 minutes this year and don't turtle up when we have them on the ropes. Last year's game should have ended like Kill's massive 51-14 win.
 

caliGopher said:
Point #2 is the key here. The Gophers did not let up. They did not think it was a fair catch. PJ did not react at all when it wasn't blown dead, other than to stare on in disbelief.

BUT NONE OF THAT MATTERS.

Iowa has gotten away with a lot of BS against us over the years, including running the exact same play two years in a row with an outright tackle of the Middle Linebacker (wrap up and take down, no question about it) as the deciding play in the game.

Nothing makes me happier than Iowa getting a correct call against them instead of celebrating getting away with another BS play and winning the game. The fact that it was a technical infraction vs. a penalty made it even sweeter.

Hopefully, we decide to play a full 60 minutes this year and don't turtle up when we have them on the ropes. Last year's game should have ended like Kill's massive 51-14 win.
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Wowza. A lot to unpack here.

1) You state that Point # 2 is "all that matters". Really? What about Schnauzer's Point # 1? Here it is:
"Point 1. He wasn't signaling fair catch (nobody is saying he was. he was waving his left arm, which is an INVALID FAIR CATCH signal)"

Why doesn't that matter to you, Cali? Seems like a very pertinent fact to me.

2) Are you absolutely certain that "The Gophers did not let up. They did not think it was a fair catch." Can you elaborate on what it is that makes you so very certain? I'm especially interested in hearing how you know what the Gophers "did not think".

3) Quote: "The fact that it was a technical infraction vs. a penalty made it even sweeter."
Really? How so? Please explain the difference between a technical infraction and a penalty, and I'd love to hear why that's so important — so "sweet" — to you.

Now, please understand: I'm not accusing you of being a B.S. artist. I'm going on the assumption that you're not just another troll... that you're sincere and truthful. So... educate us, please! We are in desperate need of your... vital wisdom!
 
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No question the refs made the correct call. I watched the game on TV it seemed like the flags were thrown late. I think if the flags were thrown as the penalty happened it wouldn't be a controversy.

Maybe someone who was at the game could correct me if I'm wrong on if it was a late flag or if the cameras just missed the flags as they were thrown.
 

RememberMurray said:
Wowza. A lot to unpack here.

1) You state that Point # 2 is "all that matters". Really? What about Schnauzer's Point # 1? Here it is:
"Point 1. He wasn't signaling fair catch (nobody is saying he was. he was waving his left arm, which is an INVALID FAIR CATCH signal)"

Why doesn't that matter to you, Cali? Seems like a very pertinent fact to me.

2) Are you absolutely certain that "The Gophers did not let up. They did not think it was a fair catch." Can you elaborate on what it is that makes you so very certain? I'm especially interested in hearing how you know what the Gophers "did not think".

3) Quote: "The fact that it was a technical infraction vs. a penalty made it even sweeter."
Really? How so? Please explain the difference between a technical infraction and a penalty, and I'd love to hear why that's so important — so "sweet" — to you.

Now, please understand: I'm not accusing you of being a B.S. artist. I'm going on the assumption that you're not just another troll... that you're sincere and truthful. So... educate us, please! We are in desperate need of your... vital wisdom!
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Actually there isn't a ton to unpack at all. All of Schsuzer's points are valid. Never did I say that anything else in Schauzer's post was wrong or irrelevant, but to me #2 was the most important

First, the right call was made. So, there is that and I did say that in the post

1) #2 is all that matters for two reasons:

first, the Gophers should not let up until they hear a whistle. We did the right thing, even if the call hadn't been made on video review.

second, the play created the most excruciating circumstance for the game to go our way for Hawkeye fans.

I've often wondered if the Hawkeyes hadn't committed the leaping penalty and this infraction if the. B1G refs would have made the change. As I said in my post, the Haweyes outright tackled our MLB on a downfield block that cost us the win two years in a row and that was never called or communicated that the refs didn't make the right call two years in a row

2) I don't "know" what the players or Fleck were thinking, but I have watched the replay dozens of times right after it happened, and several dozen times since then. The full replay, which focuses on the punt and play, not just Dejean, shows the players continuing the play from kick to the negated TD. From their actions, it was clear they continued the play and overran the coverage, something that would not have happened if they let up. That's all I can say about that.

3) The infraction nature of the call was like pouring salt into the Haweye Fans' wound and even more bewildering to their minds. Multiple news outlets came out and explained exactly how it was the right call - including several Iowa newspapers. It makes the "it wasn't a fair catch campaign all the more hilarious. No one called it a fair catch, it wasn't. It was an invalid fair catch signal, further highlighting the ignorance of the average Hawkeye fan.

If it had been a penalty, all kinds of arguments would have ensued - not that it would have changed the outcome, but the Hawkeye fans could find some solace in the belief the refs screwed them. At no point have I seen anything about the call in the days after it happened, saying it was a bad call or the wrong call - outside of obnoxious Hawkeye fans (forgive my redundancy). I like that kind of certainty.

Now, understand that I'm not saying a different interpretation is wrong, so you can call me a B.S. artist all you want or try to read anything you want into my posts here; I don't care what you think about me.

We agree that Fleck is our coach and he's not going anywhere, and that he has stabilized the program, but I do not consider him as a top half of the B1G coach (we haven't had one of those since Murrary, remmber?) and that makes me a pariah in the land of "our coach is the greatest coach of all time and the only one who is decent and good in the world" attitude that has been carried to the extreme on this board since 2017, so read as much as you'd like into any of my posts, I won't try to stop you.

Some more pertinent context to my comment in the post, you missed my posts from 2002, after the Hawkeyes clinched the Rose Bowl against us at the Metrodome. My 8-month pregnant wife was physically stopped from walking and verbally assaulted by Hawkeye fans as we left the stands after the game. I had to step in front of her and pin the dad in his seat so she could get past while his wife and tween kids screamed obscenities in my face. Follow that up with the absolute fiction that they perpetuate about storming the field and tearing down the goalposts after the game, and you might then understand - Who Hates Iowa? I hate Iowa, so watching their fans suffer through the heartbreak of this game and how excruciating that heartbreak is is the only thing that matters to me when we play Iowa. And why one win in 8 years is unacceptable to me.
 



Some guy said:
I don’t have a link but I can corroborate same memory

Iowa should’ve been assessed a 15 yard penalty automatic first down gophers game over

I am more upset about the Mo fumble than Iowa is about the invalid fair catch though. Would be fun to win 2/3 someday soon
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This....we should have won 2 yrs in a row
 

Schnauzer said:
Someday I will look back at my life and be disgusted with myself about how much time I wasted educating people on a 2023 Invalid Fair Catch Signal referee video review play reversal from 2023.

Iowa fans simply won't let it die, and I have anointed myself to be the person to educate every last one of them, one at a time.

We all remember the play. Every time it is brought up on line, it is the same things:

1. He wasn't signaling fair catch (nobody is saying he was. he was waving his left arm, which is an INVALID FAIR CATCH signal)

2. Well, if it was a fair catch, why were the Minnesota players trying to tackle him (because players play until the whistle and it wasn't a fair catch, it was an invalid fair catch and it wasn't called until video review, at which time everything that came after Dejean fielding the ball is wiped away, including the time that had expired during the null run back).

3. That is a "phantom rule" that NEVER gets called. (It was called on the Gophers just a couple games earlier, and it was called in last year's college football playoff, to just name two examples. It does get called.)

4. That play is not reviewable (Just google "is invalid fair catch a reviewable play in college football." It most certainly is reviewable).

5. Well, they were reviewing for going out of bounds. You can't review for one thing and find something else. (see #4, when a play like that is reviewed, the entire play is reviewed).

6. They just reversed it because of gambling and point spreads. (It was reversed because it is a real rule and the waving of the left arm was obvious on review. If you truly believe the game is THAT compromised by gambling, what are you doing caring about it)?

7. He was just waving people away! (Which is an invalid fair catch signal. You literally just admitted he performed an invalid fair catch signal).

8. He was just pointing at the ball. (yes, with his right arm, while he was waving his left arm).

9. There was no way he was signaling for fair catch (but his actions were an invalid fair catch signal regardless what his intent was).

10. Iowa was totally screwed! (except both the B1G 10 and NCAA came out later to comment on the call to confirm it was the right call, and now it is clearly seen in reffing conversations as the correct call).

11. It's a dumb rule that shouldn't exist (Perhaps, that is subjective. But, if it didn't exist there is no doubt that returners would continually push the limits of fake fair catch signal vs real fair catch signal).

In a nutshell, I am amazed that two years later most Iowa (and even a few MN) fans literally don't know what was called, but they will argue it all day long as if they have the NCAA football rulebook memorized.
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Love this!!!
 

The whole controversy could have been avoided if the refs blew the play dead as soon as DeJean (inadvertently) made the invalid fair catch signal.

There never should have been any "run back" to "take away".
 

GopherGrit said:
The whole controversy could have been avoided if the refs blew the play dead as soon as DeJean (inadvertently) made the invalid fair catch signal.

There never should have been any "run back" to "take away".
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There wasn’t
Just like there wasn’t a final four run
 


caliGopher said:
Actually there isn't a ton to unpack at all. All of Schsuzer's points are valid. Never did I say that anything else in Schauzer's post was wrong or irrelevant, but to me #2 was the most important

First, the right call was made. So, there is that and I did say that in the post

1) #2 is all that matters for two reasons:

first, the Gophers should not let up until they hear a whistle. We did the right thing, even if the call hadn't been made on video review.

second, the play created the most excruciating circumstance for the game to go our way for Hawkeye fans.

I've often wondered if the Hawkeyes hadn't committed the leaping penalty and this infraction if the. B1G refs would have made the change. As I said in my post, the Haweyes outright tackled our MLB on a downfield block that cost us the win two years in a row and that was never called or communicated that the refs didn't make the right call two years in a row

2) I don't "know" what the players or Fleck were thinking, but I have watched the replay dozens of times right after it happened, and several dozen times since then. The full replay, which focuses on the punt and play, not just Dejean, shows the players continuing the play from kick to the negated TD. From their actions, it was clear they continued the play and overran the coverage, something that would not have happened if they let up. That's all I can say about that.

3) The infraction nature of the call was like pouring salt into the Haweye Fans' wound and even more bewildering to their minds. Multiple news outlets came out and explained exactly how it was the right call - including several Iowa newspapers. It makes the "it wasn't a fair catch campaign all the more hilarious. No one called it a fair catch, it wasn't. It was an invalid fair catch signal, further highlighting the ignorance of the average Hawkeye fan.

If it had been a penalty, all kinds of arguments would have ensued - not that it would have changed the outcome, but the Hawkeye fans could find some solace in the belief the refs screwed them. At no point have I seen anything about the call in the days after it happened, saying it was a bad call or the wrong call - outside of obnoxious Hawkeye fans (forgive my redundancy). I like that kind of certainty.

Now, understand that I'm not saying a different interpretation is wrong, so you can call me a B.S. artist all you want or try to read anything you want into my posts here; I don't care what you think about me.

We agree that Fleck is our coach and he's not going anywhere, and that he has stabilized the program, but I do not consider him as a top half of the B1G coach (we haven't had one of those since Murrary, remmber?) and that makes me a pariah in the land of "our coach is the greatest coach of all time and the only one who is decent and good in the world" attitude that has been carried to the extreme on this board since 2017, so read as much as you'd like into any of my posts, I won't try to stop you.

Some more pertinent context to my comment in the post, you missed my posts from 2002, after the Hawkeyes clinched the Rose Bowl against us at the Metrodome. My 8-month pregnant wife was physically stopped from walking and verbally assaulted by Hawkeye fans as we left the stands after the game. I had to step in front of her and pin the dad in his seat so she could get past while his wife and tween kids screamed obscenities in my face. Follow that up with the absolute fiction that they perpetuate about storming the field and tearing down the goalposts after the game, and you might then understand - Who Hates Iowa? I hate Iowa, so watching their fans suffer through the heartbreak of this game and how excruciating that heartbreak is is the only thing that matters to me when we play Iowa. And why one win in 8 years is unacceptable to me.
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You had me at "I have watched the replay dozens of times".:D

Although I also think that might mean you...and I should pick up some additional hobbies.
 


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There wasn’t
Just like there wasn’t a final four run
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You're right of course, but I think you know what I mean.

Everyone in the stadium and watching on TV saw DeJean running with the ball into the endzone and then the team celebrating, with the refs having not blown the play dead and then initially signalling a TD.

Even PJ wasn't immediately yelling at the refs about the invalid fair catch that was done. He was probably moreso thinking he went out of bounds. Glad it got caught in replay!

 

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