Yes. I doubt Penn St fans will manufacture T-shirts though.Did anyone else notice it made an appearance in the conference title game last night?
Yes, but I'm sure the myth that this penality never gets called lives on and on with Iowa fans.Did anyone else notice it made an appearance in the conference title game last night?
Yes. I doubt Penn St fans will manufacture T-shirts though.
It isn’t a penaltyDoes it seem weird that the penalty for an invalid fair catch signal is that they treat it like a valid fair catch signal?
It's not a penalty, they just give you the ball where it was caught. I don't think they actually throw a flag. I don't think the PSU was intentional in any way as he was trying to change direction and adjust to the ball. His arm was up and he motioned a bit to adjust. Has to be called however.Does it seem weird that the penalty for an invalid fair catch signal is that they treat it like a valid fair catch signal?
I would agree. Now, obviously, I am a Gopher fan and can't look at it without Maroon and Gold glasses on. Cooper DeJean was literally one of the best players in the country last year. There is no way in any regard of what he was doing was a natural running movement. He was waving his teammates off - I truly don't think he was calling a fair catch - but the way the ball bounced and he got it, juked out a few Gophers and looked up and only saw green grass. It was an incredible play, but by all definitions of the rule, he waved his arm which constituted as an invalid fair catch signal.It's not a penalty, they just give you the ball where it was caught. I don't think they actually throw a flag. I don't think the PSU was intentional in any way as he was trying to change direction and adjust to the ball. His arm was up and he motioned a bit to adjust. Has to be called however.
I thought the Iowa play was more of a deception or a sneaky play.
I would agree. Now, obviously, I am a Gopher fan and can't look at it without Maroon and Gold glasses on. Cooper DeJean was literally one of the best players in the country last year. There is no way in any regard of what he was doing was a natural running movement. He was waving his teammates off - I truly don't think he was calling a fair catch - but the way the ball bounced and he got it, juked out a few Gophers and looked up and only saw green grass. It was an incredible play, but by all definitions of the rule, he waved his arm which constituted as an invalid fair catch signal.
We should manufacture Iowa shirts (with a portion of proceeds being donated to Gopher Football NIL) that are Iowa colored, and read "Yer with stupid."Yes. I doubt Penn St fans will manufacture T-shirts though.
And if you watched all of his other returns, he never did that before.I think the invalid fair catch by DeJean was 100% planned to help bail Iowa out of a desperate situation. It game him an edge. DeJean had been returning punts for years on one of the perennially best special teams units in the country. He knew what he was doing IMO.
Ferentz asked the refs before the game about fair catches in that situation. It was definitely a preplanned attempt to fake out the Gophers.I would agree. Now, obviously, I am a Gopher fan and can't look at it without Maroon and Gold glasses on. Cooper DeJean was literally one of the best players in the country last year. There is no way in any regard of what he was doing was a natural running movement. He was waving his teammates off - I truly don't think he was calling a fair catch - but the way the ball bounced and he got it, juked out a few Gophers and looked up and only saw green grass. It was an incredible play, but by all definitions of the rule, he waved his arm which constituted as an invalid fair catch signal.
I caught a little bit of an Eagles' game a few weeks ago and DeJean is still doing the same thing. It's either a habit he can't break or he simply knows what he's doing. Of course, he's the proverbial "coach on the field" so he absolutely has to be allowed some leeway,I think the invalid fair catch by DeJean was 100% planned to help bail Iowa out of a desperate situation. It gave him an edge. DeJean had been returning punts for years on one of the perennially best special teams units in the country. He knew what he was doing IMO.
Does it seem weird that the penalty for an invalid fair catch signal is that they treat it like a valid fair catch signal?
It isn’t a penalty
I would agree. Pretty ironic that he asked about a fair catch…Ferentz asked the refs before the game about fair catches in that situation. It was definitely a preplanned attempt to fake out the Gophers.
And you can see it on ferrets smug face at the end of the play before they call for a review.I would agree. Pretty ironic that he asked about a fair catch…
Right. Not a penalty. Just a "dead ball" call. An invalid fair catch signal, which typically slows down, disorganizes or even momentarily freezes the punt return coverage, simply stops an offending punt reception from being advanced. GHer's shouldn't worry if they can't understand this concept. The vast majority of college educated football fans in Iowa are far too dim-witted to understand it. They can't even begin to grasp its meaning.It isn’t a penalty
you are spot on 100% correct. I am not sure why, but this one has stuck with me and I can't shake it because of a couple reasons:Right. Not a penalty. Just a "dead ball" call. An invalid fair catch signal, which typically slows down, disorganizes or even momentarily freezes the punt return coverage, simply stops an offending punt reception from being advanced. GHer's shouldn't worry if they can't understand this concept. The vast majority of college educated football fans in Iowa are far too dim-witted to understand it. They can't even begin to grasp its meaning.
It would be really fun to see the PSU invalid fair catch signal--a one-time arm wave below the shoulder--split screened with the several-second long series of huge helicopter arm movements DeJean made to confuse the Gophers' punt return defense. Ferentz was desperate, he cheated and almost got a way with it. Except that he didn't.
Right. Not a penalty. Just a "dead ball" call. An invalid fair catch signal, which typically slows down, disorganizes or even momentarily freezes the punt return coverage, simply stops an offending punt reception from being advanced. GHer's shouldn't worry if they can't understand this concept. The vast majority of college educated football fans in Iowa are far too dim-witted to understand it. They can't even begin to grasp its meaning.
It would be really fun to see the PSU invalid fair catch signal--a one-time arm wave below the shoulder--split screened with the several-second long series of huge helicopter arm movements DeJean made to confuse the Gophers' punt return defense. Ferentz was desperate, he cheated and almost got a way with it. Except that he didn't.
I recognize it's not a formal penalty. I just don't understand the point of the distinction between valid and invalid fair catch signal. If a valid fair catch signal is made and the ball is caught, the ref is supposed to blow the play dead and spot the ball where he caught it. If there is an invalid fair catch signal, the ref is supposed to do the exact same thing. So why have the distinction at all? Why not just broaden the definition of a valid fair catch signal to include the stuff that is now an invalid fair catch signal? Does the invalid fair catch determination give some protection to a defender who hits a player after the invalid signal?Right. Not a penalty. Just a "dead ball" call. An invalid fair catch signal, which typically slows down, disorganizes or even momentarily freezes the punt return coverage, simply stops an offending punt reception from being advanced. GHer's shouldn't worry if they can't understand this concept. The vast majority of college educated football fans in Iowa are far too dim-witted to understand it. They can't even begin to grasp its meaning.
It would be really fun to see the PSU invalid fair catch signal--a one-time arm wave below the shoulder--split screened with the several-second long series of huge helicopter arm movements DeJean made to confuse the Gophers' punt return defense. Ferentz was desperate, he cheated and almost got a way with it. Except that he didn't.
Invalid doesn’t give the runner the same protections as valid and gives More leeway to coverage teamI recognize it's not a formal penalty. I just don't understand the point of the distinction between valid and invalid fair catch signal. If a valid fair catch signal is made and the ball is caught, the ref is supposed to blow the play dead and spot the ball where he caught it. If there is an invalid fair catch signal, the ref is supposed to do the exact same thing. So why have the distinction at all? Why not just broaden the definition of a valid fair catch signal to include the stuff that is now an invalid fair catch signal? Does the invalid fair catch determination give some protection to a defender who hits a player after the invalid signal?