invalid fair catch signal

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Red State 2020 said:
Was it called on the field? Why do we see this all the time, and why is it rarely ever called? Did I argue it was the incorrect call? Can you link where I indicated the call wasn't technically correct? You don't call this hardly ever, and you should never call this at a critical point in a game if it wasn't called on the filed.

I've seen all sorts of videos posted n here. Every call was called on the filed. And no comments about the non calls in games right after our game.

Minnesota won the game in a lot of ways, but this was a horseshit call, and to state otherwise, in the face of overwhelming evidence is just petty.

Be happy with the win.
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Correct call is horses—t now? Ok dude
 


MaxyJR1 said:
What’s not factual? There’s the rule book, there’s case books, there is interpretation. There is philosophy in how rules are called and enforced. “There is a hold on every play.”

20+years of College and HS if it makes your case.

No one is an expert but I like to give insight into how officiating at this level works and trickles down to lower level college and HS.
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You're not answering my specific questions with specifics. I read your post, and I'm not aware of some of the rules you cite. Just take the loss.
 

Panthadad2 said:
Yeah, that BS unbelievable comment from Ferentz made me think this kid was absolutely coached to make that waving motion to give them an edge. I'm also wondering if the Gopher staff may have tipped off the officials to that motion before or during the game.
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Yeah that comments make more sense if, something is up.
 




Red State 2020 said:
Knows the rules better than the "official" on here. And that's not debatable after the "offcials" last post.
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Actual officials - Big Ten top officials - say you are wrong. Give it up. This one went to Big Ten brass in Pittsburgh and they are adamant about the rules and that this one was textbook. But somehow you know more than them. Nice try, tool.
 


Red State 2020 said:
Permanently banned for what? asking question where no one can provide factual answers? Consequently really making my point for me. The best way to win an argument really, have others do it for you.
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You admitted yourself it was a correct call by the rule! Then you also went with the always awful "Not in the situation" defense. You argument is so pathetic and has been ruined by your own words.

Go away.
 



MaxyJR1 said:
I’m not citing, I’m giving insight into the philosophy behind officiating.
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What's the philosophy about a call that is rarely made and wasn't called on the field? You're jumping around. First you cite rules as factual. Then I ask you to cite where they are factual. Now you completely change direction and go to philosophy. Because what you cited as factual isn't in the rule book. If it is, post it.

You claim to have officiated D1 football. I claim I returned punts in D1 football. Then you know the fair catch rule, errant punt signal, etc. are reviewed between officials and coaches prior to every game, correct?

Maybe you don't., which is revealing about your supposed credentials.

The rule is ambiguous. It was recently revised, but you're an official, so you're aware of this. I can post this and save you the Google search you seem to be relying on. The call was technically correct. That's not the argument. It is never commonly called, and never should have been called in this situation.

I suspect you didn't officiate beyond high school, and I'm not ripping on your profession, but some of your posts lack basis in reality.
 


Red State 2020 said:
What's the philosophy about a call that is rarely made and wasn't called on the field? You're jumping around. First you cite rules as factual. Then I ask you to cite where they are factual. Now you completely change direction and go to philosophy. Because what you cited as factual isn't in the rule book. If it is, post it.

You claim to have officiated D1 football. I claim I returned punts in D1 football. Then you know the fair catch rule, errant punt signal, etc. are reviewed between officials and coaches prior to every game, correct?

Maybe you don't., which is revealing about your supposed credentials.

The rule is ambiguous. It was recently revised, but you're an official, so you're aware of this. I can post this and save you the Google search you seem to be relying on. The call was technically correct. That's not the argument. It is never commonly called, and never should have been called in this situation.

I suspect you didn't officiate beyond high school, and I'm not ripping on your profession, but some of your posts lack basis in reality.
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The correct call should not have been called in this situation? Ok dude
 

7Gopher7 said:
The correct call should not have been called in this situation? Ok dude
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The correct call in this situation is no call. This really sets a precedent, however we will never see this again, so maybe it doesn't set a precedent.

I'll check back in a year and see how many times this gets called. Then we will really know the answer, as if most objective poeple don't already know the answer.

I don't know what to tell you. Minnesota had (or should have had) the game won well before this call anyway, but that's another debate, and I doubt most on here would understand the "inside baseball" nature of that debate.
 




RememberMurray said:
The correct call was the call that was made, after video review.
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Focus on this.

Iowa
at Northwestern (Wrigley Field)
vs. Rutgers
vs. Illinois
At Nebraska

Wisconsin
vs. Ohio State
at Indiana
vs. Northwestern
vs. Nebraska
at Minnesota

Northwestern
vs. Maryland
vs. Iowa (Wrigley Field)
at Wisconsin
vs. Purdue
at Illinois

Minnesota
vs. Michigan State
vs. Illinois
at Purdue
at Ohio State
vs. Wisconsin

Nebraska
vs. Purdue
at Michigan State
vs. Maryland
at Wisconsin
vs. Iowa

Purdue
at Nebraska
at Michigan
vs. Minnesota
at Northwestern
vs. Indiana

Illinois
at Minnesota
vs. Indiana
at Iowa
vs. Northwestern
Wisconsin3-1.7501-12-02-1W15-2.7143-12-10-0W1
Iowa3-2.6002-11-12-1L16-2.7504-12-10-0L1
Minnesota2-2.5001-11-12-1W14-3.5713-11-20-0W1
Nebraska2-2.5001-11-12-1W24-3.5713-11-20-0W2
Northwestern1-3.2501-10-21-1L23-4.4293-10-30-0L1
Purdue1-3.2501-20-11-2L22-5.2861-41-10-0L2
Illinois1-4.2000-31-10-3L13-5.3752-31-20-0L1
 



MNVCGUY said:
The sad part in all this is that people (especially Iowa fans) don't understand what was actually called. Iowa fans are still complaining that he didn't signal for a fair catch, and they are right, he didn't. But that isn't what was called.

DeJean didn't signal for a fair catch but he did wave his arm which makes it an invalid fair catch signal and a dead ball wherever he decides to field it. Refs were probably surprised he ran it and let the play go as they have been instructed to do when in doubt at all.

The rule is there to keep punt returners from deliberately deceiving the coverage team. If you see the punt returner waving his arms you don't hit him. On the wide view you can clearly see a few defenders let up for the Gophers because they figured the ball would be dead. Doesn't excuse the horrible tackling when he did take off but explains why some guys were out of position.
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I was looking for this as well. Sure looks like at least one or two of the Gophers players slowed up when they probably could have leveled DeJean the second he touched the ball. They all hesitated....probably waiting on the whistle.....and then were flat footed when DeJean fielded and ran it. Exact reason for the rule in the first place.

Red State 2020 said:
Permanently banned for what? asking question where no one can provide factual answers? Consequently really making my point for me. The best way to win an argument really, have others do it for you.
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You want facts? The fact is that the rule was applied correctly here. Here's another fun fact. You're mega butthurt over Iowa losing.
 


stocker08 said:
He's clearly lying. If him and his coaching staff do not know the invalid fair catch rule.....then they should be dismissed this morning. It's not like there are a ton of rules in football. It's not the tax code FFS. They knew what DeJean was doing and why he was doing it. Good chance that they told him to do it.
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It's actually good coaching to do the half-@ssed fair catch signal. First you might bait the defense into hitting you and getting a 15 yard penalty. If that doesn't work you can try to field the ball anyway and do what he did. And if you get called for the invalid fair catch there's no real harm done.
 

fmlizard said:
When Minnesota slaps a ball from an Iowa player's hand in a dead ball situation, it's Unsportsmanlike Conduct, automatic first down

When Iowa reaches across the line to slap the ball away from Minnesota's center in a dead ball situation, it's Encroachment, 5 yards and no first down.

Both should have been 5 yard delay of game fouls
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Nubin slapping the ball was in response to the Iowa player continuing to attempt to move the ball across the goal line long after the play was whistled dead. Seems like maybe that should also be a penalty.
 

GH posted a video that clearly shows Tariq Watson stopping....before resuming pursuit when no whistle was blown. Without that arm waving signal.....DeJean would have been lit up the second he touched the ball.

Video also shows a good view of Coleman Bryson making an inexcusable error....which fortunately didn't end up biting us.

 





Red State 2020 said:
What's the philosophy about a call that is rarely made and wasn't called on the field? You're jumping around. First you cite rules as factual. Then I ask you to cite where they are factual. Now you completely change direction and go to philosophy. Because what you cited as factual isn't in the rule book. If it is, post it.

You claim to have officiated D1 football. I claim I returned punts in D1 football. Then you know the fair catch rule, errant punt signal, etc. are reviewed between officials and coaches prior to every game, correct?

Maybe you don't., which is revealing about your supposed credentials.

The rule is ambiguous. It was recently revised, but you're an official, so you're aware of this. I can post this and save you the Google search you seem to be relying on. The call was technically correct. That's not the argument. It is never commonly called, and never should have been called in this situation.

I suspect you didn't officiate beyond high school, and I'm not ripping on your profession, but some of your posts lack basis in reality.
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You seem to be putting words and claims in my posts.

A guy waving his arms and his own players running away should be ignored?

Your suspicions are way off.

My suspicion is you, like most players, truly don’t understand the nuance of officiating, let alone the rules.
 


Panthadad2 said:
Seldom. The Iowa returner is a douche, albeit a talented douche, and probably does that to gain an advantage.
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The Iowa returner pretty clearly seems to be a nutbag who thinks he's smarter than everyone else. He was either coached to make this move, or thought it up all by himself. The intent was clear to anyone who wants to objectively pay attention
 

MaxyJR1 said:
You seem to be putting words and claims in my posts.

A guy waving his arms and his own players running away should be ignored?
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Not shit. The rule is in place for a very, very good reason, and it was 100% accurately applied in this case.

If even ONE player on the kicking team thinks it was a fair catch signal, you have gained an advantage. Plain and simple.
 

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