Indiana took 40 FT's to Minnesota's 15?! Officiating in this game was a travesty

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This type of free throw difference in a game that was still somehow within 3pts with 19 seconds left? When Indiana only made 6 field goals in the entire 2nd half? After Minnesota was down 23 to start the 2nd half? What else do they want Minnesota to do.....play with one arm and one leg tied behind their backs and one eye closed?

The Big Ten head of officials and the office should be embarrassed by the performance of that officiating crew yesterday. It was some of the worst home cooking that I have seen in years. Really, really bad. Indiana does not need and does not deserve that much help from the officials to maintain the old big ten basketball optics "status quo".
 


This type of free throw difference in a game that was still somehow within 3pts with 19 seconds left? When Indiana only made 6 field goals in the entire 2nd half? After Minnesota was down 23 to start the 2nd half? What else do they want Minnesota to do.....play with one arm and one leg tied behind their backs and one eye closed?

The Big Ten head of officials and the office should be embarrassed by the performance of that officiating crew yesterday. It was some of the worst home cooking that I have seen in years. Really, really bad. Indiana does not need and does not deserve that much help from the officials to maintain the old big ten basketball optics "status quo".

Dumb
 

One of my biggest pet peeves in sports is a fan base being convinced that the game was cumulatively officiated against their team. Individual calls, sure. Even a few calls in bad spots/important calls, maybe. It's just a bad look... Every team, when they lose (or even win) thinks the officials were against them. The officiating was not the reason we lost the game.
 

In all my years, I have never seen a team that was favored by the officials lose. :horse:
 




One of my biggest pet peeves in sports is a fan base being convinced that the game was cumulatively officiated against their team. Individual calls, sure. Even a few calls in bad spots/important calls, maybe. It's just a bad look... Every team, when they lose (or even win) thinks the officials were against them. The officiating was not the reason we lost the game.

where did i specifically state that it was the ONLY reason we lost? i was simply mentioning what was a travesty of officiating. it was a key difference in the final outcome of the game.

man, some of you gopherhole rubes are so obtuse it is silly.


**and yes, that was an attempt at a shawshank redemption quote.**
 

Not sure why it happens

but it happens. I'll agree that the losing fans bitch about poor officiating, but every fan thinks their team gets hosed (but what's the point of bitching about it if you win... you're so relieved and happy you won that you don't bother). But some on this board are as big a fan of college hoops as I am (my wife is amazed that I can watch a game between two Ivy League schools - just for an example - when I have no stake in the game and don't even know the players). I have witnessed countless games between teams I don't root for that have been clearly one-sided in the way they were officiated. When you don't care who wins or loses and can still recognize a hose-job you know that it is real and not just sour grapes. One or two bad calls each way is no big deal. No ref gets every call right. But when a bump constantly goes uncalled on one end and is whistled time and again on the other it impacts the outcome of the game. No conspiracy theory - I don't suspect the refs intentionally try to give one team all of the calls. But there is some weird dynamic where a zebra crew gets caught up in "momentum" or "team reputation" or "home crowd hysteria" or something and it just snowballs until it's ridiculously one-sided. I always wondered if refs look back at a game and admit to themselves that things ended up unevenly called. Would they be honest enough to reflect on a 40-15 foul discrepancy and think, "wow, we weren't blowing the whistle evenly?"
Watch the look on a players face after they've had the snot slapped out of them on the other end with no foul called and then they get called for a ghost foul on their defensive end. When that happens all game long (and yes, I've seen that happen) you think it would have to be intentional by the refs, but I can't believe that's the case. It's a weird phenomenon.
 



where did i specifically state that it was the ONLY reason we lost? i was simply mentioning what was a travesty of officiating. it was a key difference in the final outcome of the game.

man, some of you gopherhole rubes are so obtuse it is silly.


**and yes, that was an attempt at a shawshank redemption quote.**


I also never said that you (or anyone) said it was the only reason we lost. I just think a lot on the board/twitter seem to think it played a much bigger role than I feel like it did. Different opinions, I guess.
 

I still don't think the officiating was great, but the FT stat is very inflated. How many did they get from our intentional fouling at the end?
 

I still don't think the officiating was great, but the FT stat is very inflated. How many did they get from our intentional fouling at the end?

I checked the stats at about 4 minutes left in the game and it was 30 to 10 at that point. Intentionally fouling did increase the margin but the margin was pretty bad even before that.
 

I just watched the game again on my DVR. The first half they really just kicked our butts...The energy and crowd was huge for them and we were very sloppy and didn't respond well.

In the first half, there were a couple of calls or non-calls that definitely went against us. Coleman got mugged on a rebound with no call and it went outta bounds off him.. Zeller got a foul call on Ingram when he initiated contacted and all Ingram did was put his arms up. Totally Bogus! The real damage was done in the 2nd half from about the 12 min mark down to the final 2 minutes.

1)Andre gets a steal and drives the distance against Yogi when Zeller comes from behind to block his layup...only problem was that the ball hit the backboard first and should have been an automatic goaltending call. Ball hits backboard whether its still going up or not, that's goaltending...refs blew it...2 points lost.

2)Obvious charge by IU's Hollowell into Ingram who was set and again, his only movement at the time of imapact was his arms going up...Hollowell made 2 FT's.

3)Coleman gets called for a charge when Oladipo was moving sideways on the baseline.

4)Ball outta bounds obviously off Abdell but the refs looked at each other with no call for 3 seconds and then one of them from behind the play 50 feet away signaled IU ball. Totally bogus call.

5)Mbakwe called for a block call on Watford drive...Again, he was in position and bulled over...Watford made 1 out of 2.

6)Other end of the court, Zeller blocks Mbakwe at the rim, but slammed into Trevor with his body...No call.

7)Yogi drives to the basket and refs ignore his obvious travel as he lost his pivot foot when he started the drive...Then he jumps into Mbakwe and gets bailed out by the refs again...Shoulda been a no call as he misseed the shot. Instead he made 1 of 2.

8)Hollins makes a 3 that was very close to the line...1 official signalled 2 and other 3...the one who signalled 2 won out and when Tubby asked them to go back and look at it, they told him no can do. Replays showed it was a 3. 1 point lossed there.

9)about 5 minutes to go, IU has an inbounds pass to Zeller about 5 feet from the basket on the backside....Austin winds up trying to defend him and is under the basket..As Austin stood and raised his arms, Zeller leans in with his head canted(anticipating contact), threw up some junk that rimmed out...got bailed out on another foul. Result: 2 more FT's made.

10)2nd half, Trevor is in position for a weakside putback but gets pushed by Sheehey, ever so slightly, causing him to miss the tip in...no call.

Not even counting the 1st half that's 7 to 11 points right there in the 2nd half alone. The refs really impeded our comeback from the 10 min mark down to the final 2 minutes. IU fans could argue that Oladipo's 5th foul on Hollins' 3 point attempt was bogus because Andre jumped into him...And in the NBA that would not be a foul on Dipo...would be a no call...I agree that was a bad call.. Dre made 2 of 3 FT's.

All told, I reckon the refs caused a 14 to 16 point swing in IU's favor for the entire game.. Also kept their players from getting into foul trouble. No Fouls on Zeller until the last 30 seconds when he pushed Mbakwe under the basket as Trevor went up for a rebound.

Other frustrating things watching the replay...We got about 5 second turnovers with our press in the final 5 minutes but couldn't cash them in...the first one, Austin Hollins got a pass from Joe Coleman and drove to the basket on Zeller...Zeller did a great job of not fouling but making it a hard shot. Rodney comes up for the follow up dunk and Yogi manages to distract Rodney just enuf to make him miss the dunk. Ball rims out, they rebounded. Moments later, Andre flys in after a turnover and missed badly over Watford...they rebounded. Those were both situations where we had 3 on 1's. Shoulda scored or got to the FT line.

Yes, they kicked our butts in the 1st half and my worst fears regarding turnvoers and our lack of a great ball-handling guard were realized. Kudos to Andre and the guys for only having 5 turnovers in the 2nd half. we had 12 in the first half when they made their run.

All in all, I came away thinking the Gophers can beat them back in Williams, but honestly, on a neutral court with an evenly called game, we'd probably lose 6 outta 10..We can still win the Conference if we hold serve at home and win 2 out of 3 tough road games at Wisconsin, Purdue and Iowa. I anticipate we'll lose at MSU and OSU.

Best case scenario is 14-4 and a share of the Title. I'm starting to think IU might win the league with a 15-3 record. Worst case scenario for the Gophers is 11-7, barring injuries.
 



Terrible officiating. But it wasn't that bad in the first half when we fell behind 23. No excuses when that happens.
 

I checked the stats at about 4 minutes left in the game and it was 30 to 10 at that point.

Close, but false. Here is how it broke down:
33:13: 0-2
21:39: 0-4
19:22: 1-4
17:46: 1-6
16:59: 1-8
14:50: 4-8
13:42: 4-10
13:06: 4-12
12:34: 5-12
12:09: 5-14
11:52: 5-16
11:34: 5-18
09:08: 7-18
08:51: 7-20
06:24: 7-22
05:23: 7-24
04:38: 7-26
04:36: 7-28
02:48: 10-28
01:10: 10-30
00:47: 10-32
00:33: 12-32
00:33: 12-34
00:19: 15-34
00:18: 15-36
00:15: 15-38
00:03: 15-40

But interestingly, if you remove all of our intentional fouls from the last 3 minutes, the fouls were called pretty evenly.

Overall, it was 25-15. You remove the last 3 minutes of ours and it was 16-15.
 

I have been pretty vocal about my hatred for everything officials, but this game wasn't even remotely close to a travesty.
 

I think Moses87 hits the nail on the head. His review of the second half matches my memory of the disparity pretty closely. Ironically I was not taking note of the officiating during the first half when Indiana was thumping the Gophers. That was ALL Indiana. They deserved the big lead they had built. But in the second half, the bad calls started to mount, and although they typically go both ways the majority were going for Indiana. That three point foul shot was the big exception. Not calling conspiracy theory. Bad calls typically go both ways and it is like flipping a coin. You win some and you lose some. In this particular case it was like flipping that coin and having it land on tails 8 out of 10 times. It happens. If Gophers had played Indiana more closely in the first half, the coin flipping disparity in the second half might have been a non-issue for Gopher fans. As it was, it was a significant hurdle that couldn't be overcome during the second half comeback.

It bugs me the excellent second half put in by the Gophers has been noted by some, but much of the national media talked more like the second half was an Indiana let down more than it was a Minnesota display of ability. Almost as if the fact Indiana's opposing team played at a constant level and it was all up to Indiana in terms of results. This type of situation isn't new, and it happens all the time. A game ends 75-70 and almost all the highlights are from the winning team. The Gophers have been on the other side of this.
 

We got some home cooking in the MSU game, but it was only like 6-4 in our favor. We never seem to get anything like what IU were given. That 8 to 10 minute stretch in the 2nd half, EVERY call went their way....Many 50-50 calls where the ball went outta bounds also went their way. And still we plugged away and brought the gap down to just 3, despite two of our best FT shooters(Hollins and Hollins) going 6 for 9 on those FT's in the 2nd half.
 

Close, but false. Here is how it broke down:
33:13: 0-2
21:39: 0-4
19:22: 1-4
17:46: 1-6
16:59: 1-8
14:50: 4-8
13:42: 4-10
13:06: 4-12
12:34: 5-12
12:09: 5-14
11:52: 5-16
11:34: 5-18
09:08: 7-18
08:51: 7-20
06:24: 7-22
05:23: 7-24
04:38: 7-26
04:36: 7-28
02:48: 10-28
01:10: 10-30
00:47: 10-32
00:33: 12-32
00:33: 12-34
00:19: 15-34
00:18: 15-36
00:15: 15-38
00:03: 15-40

But interestingly, if you remove all of our intentional fouls from the last 3 minutes, the fouls were called pretty evenly.

Overall, it was 25-15. You remove the last 3 minutes of ours and it was 16-15.

Sorry, I was a little off. So when we decided to foul on purpose, it was 28-10.
 

It bugs me the excellent second half put in by the Gophers has been noted by some, but much of the national media talked more like the second half was an Indiana let down more than it was a Minnesota display of ability.

None of the articles I read had titles that implied that. Everything I saw was pretty explicit about Indiana having a magical first half and then barely holding off a very good rally by a good team.
 

The refs definitely gave Zeller the star treatment.

Two terrible fouls on us (Ingram, Hollins) when our guys did nothing more than raise their arms and Zeller initiated contact before throwing up junk that rimmed off.

Two blocks by Zeller where he clearly made heavy contact with the body of Mbakwe and there was no call. Those 4 calls ALL going Zeller's way were essentially the difference in the game. He made 4 FT's and never had any foul trouble. We missed out on 4 FT's and don't forget the goal-tending he got away with. The Big Ten really needs to clean house with this current crop of officials. Why does the Big use guys over 60?
 

None of the articles I read had titles that implied that. Everything I saw was pretty explicit about Indiana having a magical first half and then barely holding off a very good rally by a good team.

BTN had a show Sunday night where Decourcy and Jimmy Jackson just glossed over it and declared IU the best team in the country. No mention of home-cooking.
 

BTN had a show Sunday night where Decourcy and Jimmy Jackson just glossed over it and declared IU the best team in the country. No mention of home-cooking.

I've seen multiple national media guys give MN props and even implore voters not to drop them
 

The only thing you got wrong moses was number 1 on your list. In college the whole ball must be above the rim after contact with the back board.
 

BTN had a show Sunday night where Decourcy and Jimmy Jackson just glossed over it and declared IU the best team in the country. No mention of home-cooking.

Get over it the refs weren't as bad as we were in the first jalf
 

I've seen multiple national media guys give MN props and even implore voters not to drop them

Any specific names? I guess I watched too much NFL this weekend cuz I didn't see anybody on the national level praising Minnesota.
 

I've seen multiple national media guys give MN props and even implore voters not to drop them
I'm pretty sure that once the ball hits the backboard anywhere, it can not be touched by the defender. Are you saying there's a different rule in the NCAA from the NBA?
 

None of the articles I read had titles that implied that. Everything I saw was pretty explicit about Indiana having a magical first half and then barely holding off a very good rally by a good team.

I wasn't referring to the article titles. Which ones did you read? I said the good second half for the gophers was noted by some, but my point was the common thread was Indiana played poorly in the second half, MORE than the Gophers played well. Not necessarily a total dismissal of the Gopher's second half effort.
 

Google "indiana gophers" and read any of the headlines that pop up.
 





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