In the Gophers 3 Big Ten loses this season, Minnesota has been out scored 125-19.

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GopherGrit said:
Complaining about this loss is the exact same thing as Wolverhampton fans complaining about a bad loss to Man City.

That's what college football is. That's by far the best analogy. It is not a level playing field. It is not the NFL with a hard cap and every team having the same cap amount and a draft to evenly, fairly spread talent around.
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1. TF is something called Wolverhampton or Man City?
2. Having the only three games against above average teams be over 10 minutes in is NOT "what college football is."
 

USAF said:
1. TF is something called Wolverhampton or Man City?
2. Having the only three games against above average teams be over 10 minutes in is NOT "what college football is."
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1. it's the correct analogy for what college football is.
2. I didn't say you had to like it. It's just the fact of what it is ... it's not a level playing field.
 

Gopher Mac said:
I don't think we are better than Wisconsin. I am watching Wisconsin play #2 Indiana with their 4th string QB. Score is 7-0 Indiana in middle of the 2 quarter. If Minnesota was playing Indiana the score would be 21 or 28 to zero by the middle of the second quarter. Wisconsin can play defense Minnesota can not. Minnesota's offense with a 1st string quarterback will have a hard time moving the ball. I can only imagine what our offense would look like without Drake.
Edit 7-7 in second quarter. Can you imagine what the Gophers record be if we played Wisconsin's schedule.
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Likely 2-3 wins
 


GopherGrit said:
Complaining about this loss is the exact same thing as Wolverhampton fans complaining about a bad loss to Man City.

That's what college football is. That's by far the best analogy. It is not a level playing field. It is not the NFL with a hard cap and every team having the same cap amount and a draft to evenly, fairly spread talent around.
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Am I allowed to complain if we also lose our next two to Northwestern and Wisconsin? Wouldn’t that be analogous to Wolverhampton losing to Fulham and Crystal Palace?
 



WindyCityGopher said:
Am I allowed to complain if we also lose our next two to Northwestern and Wisconsin? Wouldn’t that be analogous to Wolverhampton losing to Fulham and Crystal Palace?
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I'll allow it :cool:

But it seems you get it? NW and Wisconsin are not nearly on the same level as Oregon. Right?? Am I crazy?
 

GopherGrit said:
I'll allow it :cool:

But it seems you get it? NW and Wisconsin are not nearly on the same level as Oregon. Right?? Am I crazy?
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No, not even close. Oregon’s a top 3 team in the conference. We were rightly blown out last night, just as we were by Ohio State and we would be by Indiana had they been on our schedule.
 

WindyCityGopher said:
No, not even close. Oregon’s a top 3 team in the conference. We were rightly blown out last night, just as we were by Ohio State and we would be by Indiana had they been on our schedule.
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OK, think we're on the same page.

I'm just saying ... we beat Rutgers, Purdue, Nebraska, and Mich State. We would've beaten them on the road, too.

NW is the same quality as those teams. So ... we should beat them too, based on season results.


Although they did just scare the piss out of Michigan and probably should have won the game. That's an actual, valid reason to be worried about the NW game.
 



GopherGrit said:
OK, think we're on the same page.

I'm just saying ... we beat Rutgers, Purdue, Nebraska, and Mich State. We would've beaten them on the road, too.

NW is the same quality as those teams. So ... we should beat them too, based on season results.


Although they did just scare the piss out of Michigan and probably should have won the game. That's an actual, valid reason to be worried about the NW game.
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We would've beat R, P, N, and MSU on the road?
 

USAF said:
We would've beat R, P, N, and MSU on the road?
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Of course.

The only reason we've lost on the road is because we've played great teams on the road. Again, the Cal game is an exception ... but the game was also after Midnight Central time on the players bodies.
 

Line on the next two will be something like Northwestern -6, and then Minnesota +1.5.
 

gopherdudepart2 said:
Wisconsin is way ahead of Gophers on defense right now, way more agressive, confident and far better at tackling. That game will be a total struggle to score points. Gophers will need some breaks, turnovers by Wisconsin O.
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Good thing Wisconsin has gone 7 games in a row now where they haven’t scored more than one TD.
 




This sounds like a nutcase conspiracy theory, but is there any chance the Gophers' signals or communications have poor security and easily deciphered in opposing stadiums? I just watched a podcast where former players and coaches were joking about Michigan and how every team steals signals.

OSU and Oregon are at a totally different level this year and get home cooking to cement the advantage but Cal and Iowa blowouts are head scratchers.
 

GopherGrit said:
I'm just saying ... we beat Rutgers, Purdue, Nebraska, and Mich State. We would've beaten them on the road, too.
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That is a head scratcher statement considering all but Nebraska required late 4th quarter come from behind scores. Hence winning those 3 is an improbability that wouldn’t bounce as favorably if you played that schedule 10 times, most likely it’d be a mix of 2-1 or 1-2 in those games. And if they were in the road they be less likely to be wins.
 

WindyCityGopher said:
Am I allowed to complain if we also lose our next two to Northwestern and Wisconsin? Wouldn’t that be analogous to Wolverhampton losing to Fulham and Crystal Palace?
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I lived for a year in the Midlands. On BritRail, Wolverhampton was a stop on the way to Coventry—great memories!
 

Through it all we sit in a 5 way tie for 6th in the B1G conference. Win the games on your schedule. NU and Wisconsin will be battles just like the rest of the games.
 

I know its easy to say "of course we struggled against good teams, they are good teams." But I looked back over the schedules, I think we were OSU and Iowas largest margin of victory in B1G play this year, and Oregon's second largest behind a thumping they gave to Rutgers. And this despite the fact that PJ seems to switch into "let's just keep this from getting more of control" mode when we are getting thumped (punting on fourth and 4 when trailing by several touchdowns or settling for field goals to just get something on the board) faster than most coaches, which should reduce the margin of victory in blowout losses. So it is not accurate to say that lots of other teams (at least outside of the ooc buy games) are getting worked by these schools as badly as we are.

At the end of the day, a win is a win and a loss is a loss, so wherever our record lands, I wont be too fired up about the fact that we won the close ones (which is an important skill to have) and lost the blowouts. That said, it feels like we are on track for an ok/solid but certainly not great season, and are definitely a lot closer to have let some of the wins slip away than we were to pulling out some of the losses (Cal being the exception, the score looked ugly, but I think correcting a few odd mistakes and some inexplicably awful in game coaching decisions could have flipped that result).
 



GopherGrit said:
OK, think we're on the same page.

I'm just saying ... we beat Rutgers, Purdue, Nebraska, and Mich State. We would've beaten them on the road, too.

NW is the same quality as those teams. So ... we should beat them too, based on season results.


Although they did just scare the piss out of Michigan and probably should have won the game. That's an actual, valid reason to be worried about the NW game.
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In terms of points vs. points allowed, NW is a significantly better team than either Purdue or Michigan State. And I don’t see how you can say we would have beaten Michigan State, Purdue or Rutgers had they been road games. These were close wins and this year’s Gophers have played awfully on the road: unprepared, uninspired and uncreative. NW has scored more per B1G game than the Gophs this year, and NW has allowed far fewer points per B1G game than the Gophs. Those are the season results that I look at. Might also want to check out this year’s team’s success against the spread as a data point. Spoiler alert: Gophers are 2-8 against the spread this year. Only P4 game in which they beat the spread is Nebraska. Beware of NW.
 
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