If Tubby leaves...who the F would take this job?

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Well, with the Gophers struggling this year and Tubby taking his fair share of the hits for the performance...many have suggested that they would prefer to have Tubby leave.

I am not one of those people....but maybe you are.

When the many, many, many rumors about Tubby to ???? begin...will you be happy or sad? If happy to see Tubby go...who do you think we could get to replace him...considering we just ran a HoF coach out of town after 4 20-win seasons and 4 post season births (both first time in 100 year history of Gopher BB).

Who the F worth a crap would take this job if Tubby leaves?
 

I believe the coach at Northern Iowa has a Minnesota clause in his contract. His team beat Kansas last year in the tourney, he could be pretty good. Another plus is that seeing Northern Iowa's coach go to Minnesota would probably make PantherHawk foam at the mouth.

Personally, I want Tubby to stay as well, I think next season in a down Big Ten could be very good.
 

Tim Miles would crawl here for the job.
I agree... foolish to want Tubby to leave... but in a Hall of Fame career, he is having a down year.
 

I agree

Hopefully Tubby knows most of us support him to the MAX. I doubt he worries about the media d-bags and I am sure he's not moved by the psychos that occasionally inject there corroded brain seed on this board. FWIW, I like the fact that he is beating the recruiting trail pretty hard. Tells me he's not satisfied with state of the program at MN.

I sure hope he stays and would be depressed if he left. I still think the future is bright as early as next year.
 

I think it's foolish to want Tubby to leave, but it is also foolish to think nobody good would take this job. The Minnesota job is a good one and we've landed a highly regarded coach each time it has been open. Even Dan Monson was a well regarded guy at the time especially considering the sanctions at the time.
 


Is the U a coach killer then?

Monson struggled. Tubby struggling, if only just a little. Maybe its not the coach, but the program that's the problem.
 

I agree with Doogie. Tim Miles would ride a tricycle here and I doubt he would ever leave. Someday, I would really like to see Tim Miles land this job. He has risen through the ranks (SMSU, NDSU,CSU) and I think this would be his metaphorical peak.
 

Difficult to digest Tubby leaving...but the U has not been a stepping stone school...who has left us and had great success?

Further, the U is not at the same level as Indiana or Kentucky...or even a Kansas or UConn...so how do we move forward?

It sure seems that we are a coach killing school for BB. Look at our history...we have killed our fair share...or they killed themselves while at our school...either way...they be dead.

We are not an elite program...don't have elite facilities and regardless of how highly thought of Monson or Haskins were when they got here....they were not elite big time coaches...they came from Gonzaga and WKU.

I don't doubt we could find a coach...but our history suggests that the coach we find will not elevate our program to elite status...Tubby is the only coach with the credentials to do it.

If only a snow storm hadn't closed roads and knocked out the phones so many years ago...oh well.

In Tubby I trust!
 

He was also at Mayville State in ND and South West State? I think it was at a school in Marshall, MN but I could be wrong.
 



Sotakid said:
He was also at Mayville State in ND and South West State? I think it was at a school in Marshall, MN but I could be wrong.
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You're right it's in Marshall. It is Southwest Minnesota State University now but was SSU when Miles coached there. I remember attendeding his basketball camp for two summers in junior high.
 

Doogie said:
Tim Miles would crawl here for the job.
I agree... foolish to want Tubby to leave... but in a Hall of Fame career, he is having a down year.
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He is having a down year? I'm getting so sick of people ragging on Tubby for supposedly doing a bad job coaching this team while ignoring the circumstances of the situation. This team is missing 3 of its best players and its senior leader who happens to make the offense run. This team is not equipped to play in one of the best conferences without those 3. Their only option at point guard with Nolen out is Hoffarber and this effectively eliminates his best attribute.
Unheralded freshman are playing big minutes on this team. While they are playing well for the most part, they are not contributors on a top tier big ten team. Not this year at least. This is shown in their recent late games shortcomings. If Tubby wants to go with all upperclassman you essentially have 4 post and a shooting guard on the floor. Blake's not gonna beat anyone off the dribble and no one else is gonna consistently hit a shot or put the ball on the floor for that matter.

When this team was fully intact, Tubby had them playing very well and ranked in the top 15. Injuries are part of the game and let's acknowledge that this and alter expectations accordingly.

Tubby is a coach not a magician. He's not gonna pull a rabbit out of his hat. Due to the circumstances, this team just doesn't measure up.

The fact is this team is missing the injured players tremendously.
 

The only D1 basketball program in a state that now produces a fair amount of high level basketball talent. B-ball is different than football in that you only need a couple of in-state recruits a year to flourish. How would this team look if you added guys like Jordan Taylor, Leuer, Royce White (attitude issues not withstanding), and even Trent Lockett who is currently playing well at ASU? Keep the best players home year after year and pull in a few high level guys from outside the area and you have a very good program. Bottom line is this is a good job.
 

I don't want Tubby gone and most rational fans don't. But if he leaves on his own, this is still a top 30 national job and outside of a practice facility doesn't lack for what is needed to win.

There's an outside chance at a BCS coach like Turgeron at A&M (2nd fiddle and football school), Drew at Baylor (it's Baylor), Fox at Georgia (probably not, only in 2nd year) Grant at Alabama (ditto) or Buzz Williams at Marquette.

Otherwise, Miles is a great candidate along with 'mid-major' guys like Chris Mooney at Richmond, Gregory at Dayton and others.

The wild-card of course is Flip.
 



Saul.. the writing on the wall that Saul will take over whenever Tubby admits that hes to tired to run down 18 yr old kids
 

GopherinPhilly said:
Who the F worth a crap would take this job if Tubby leaves?
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The question is...."Who wouldn't want this job??!" I mean....get paid 2 million a year for just having to finish no better than 6th in conference and be an annual bubble team. Talk about a low pressure job!

The coaches will be lining up for interviews! :D

(Laughing on the outside, crying on the inside. Seriously, did some Wisconsin witchdoctor curse our sports teams with eternal mediocrity and bad luck? :mad: )
 

GopherinPhilly said:
Well, with the Gophers struggling this year and Tubby taking his fair share of the hits for the performance...many have suggested that they would prefer to have Tubby leave.

I am not one of those people....but maybe you are.

When the many, many, many rumors about Tubby to ???? begin...will you be happy or sad? If happy to see Tubby go...who do you think we could get to replace him...considering we just ran a HoF coach out of town after 4 20-win seasons and 4 post season births (both first time in 100 year history of Gopher BB).

Who the F worth a crap would take this job if Tubby leaves?
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Lots of coaches would like to make $2 million (per). No shortage of applicants.
 

GopherinPhilly said:
Difficult to digest Tubby leaving...but the U has not been a stepping stone school...who has left us and had great success?

Further, the U is not at the same level as Indiana or Kentucky...or even a Kansas or UConn...so how do we move forward?

It sure seems that we are a coach killing school for BB. Look at our history...we have killed our fair share...or they killed themselves while at our school...either way...they be dead.

We are not an elite program...don't have elite facilities and regardless of how highly thought of Monson or Haskins were when they got here....they were not elite big time coaches...they came from Gonzaga and WKU.

I don't doubt we could find a coach...but our history suggests that the coach we find will not elevate our program to elite status...Tubby is the only coach with the credentials to do it.

If only a snow storm hadn't closed roads and knocked out the phones so many years ago...oh well.

In Tubby I trust!
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There's maybe 10 jobs in the country that a coach who was having success (ie consistently contending for Big Ten titles) at Minnesota would leave for. We have not had a coach leave for another job in my lifetime. The ceiling at Minnesota is as high as most jobs in the country. As for being a coach killing school? That is also a strange take as most coaches who are fired at a big time program do not go on to much success elsewhere. Look at all the top coaches in the game...who's been fired from a high major? Coaches may change jobs on their own, but if there let go, they usually don't become successful at another high major.

Unfortunately our history suggests that good coaches will be derailed by being punished severely for things that go on at nearly every big time school in the country.

I want Tubby to stay, but I don't have blind trust in Tubby to develop the type of program that I believe Minnesota should have.
 

Down?

Doogie said:
Tim Miles would crawl here for the job.
I agree... foolish to want Tubby to leave... but in a Hall of Fame career, he is having a down year.
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I guess it depends on what your definition of a "down year" is? If down means you lose 3 major contributors, most notably a guy who was on pace to become one of the all-time assist leaders ever at the school then YES, it's been a down year.

If you look at recent box scores, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure things out. After the starting 5 on the top of the box, you see 3 true freshmen and against MSU, even a walk-on who's seen the floor in a handful of games this year.

That being said, I'm a huge Tim Miles fan. Knew him personally when he was leading the Mustangs at Southwest State in Marshall; he did some really good things at my alma mater (NDSU), and miraculously, he's taking a doormat program at Colorado State and making it a formidable one. They'll be contending for the MWC title next year or the year after, with a roster full of sophomores and freshmen right now.

Just out of curiosity, Doogie, your comment about Miles crawling back for the Rodent gig; is that just an educated guess on your part (wouldn't surprise me) or do you know that from firsthand knowledge, conversations you may have had with him in the past, etc?
 


Friend Of Tubby said:
Lots of coaches would like to make $2 million (per). No shortage of applicants.
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We thought the same thing about our football program a year ago...thank god that Jerry Kill fell into Maturi's lap...but with some of the best facilities in college football and a big ten school...we couldn't give the job away as head fb coach.
 

If the job is available next year it should be one of the top available jobs. Set up to win quickly with a ton coming back and 2 top 100 guards coming in. Will also have a lot of scholarships available to work with during the coaches first full year as the head guy. I don't think Minnesota is a "destination job" but is would have to be close to being one of the best stepping stone jobs in the country if available next year.
 

GopherinPhilly said:
We thought the same thing about our football program a year ago...thank god that Jerry Kill fell into Maturi's lap...but with some of the best facilities in college football and a big ten school...we couldn't give the job away as head fb coach.
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Minnesota is a top 30 basketball job. It's not even a top 50 football job. Big difference. After all, they were both open in 2007 and we hired Tubby Smith for one and Tim Brewster for the other.

Same old Joel making the hire though, so god only knows. :eek:
 

Ogee Oglethorpe said:
I guess it depends on what your definition of a "down year" is? If down means you lose 3 major contributors, most notably a guy who was on pace to become one of the all-time assist leaders ever at the school then YES, it's been a down year.

If you look at recent box scores, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure things out. After the starting 5 on the top of the box, you see 3 true freshmen and against MSU, even a walk-on who's seen the floor in a handful of games this year.

That being said, I'm a huge Tim Miles fan. Knew him personally when he was leading the Mustangs at Southwest State in Marshall; he did some really good things at my alma mater (NDSU), and miraculously, he's taking a doormat program at Colorado State and making it a formidable one. They'll be contending for the MWC title next year or the year after, with a roster full of sophomores and freshmen right now.

Just out of curiosity, Doogie, your comment about Miles crawling back for the Rodent gig; is that just an educated guess on your part (wouldn't surprise me) or do you know that from firsthand knowledge, conversations you may have had with him in the past, etc?
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Not firsthand... but feel confident when I say that he would take this job in a second.

As for Tubby having a down year, it's one thing to draw up a play, get a good look, and have the player miss... I can live with that... but he has done a terrible job of drawing up plays in crucial situations... his substitution pattern has been baffling at times -- Dawson in before Armelin on Tues. for example... and I still can't figure out, even when Nolen was healthy, what they are trying to accomplish on offense.
 

Doogie said:
I still can't figure out, even when Nolen was healthy, what they are trying to accomplish on offense.
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Not that hard. Get the ball down low or get Blake a shot. Just that they're not very good at it.
 

Mulligan said:
Not that hard. Get the ball down low or get Blake a shot. Just that they're not very good at it.
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Yeah, I think it's pretty obvious what they TRY to do on offense. It's not that they're just not very good at it, I just personally think it's not all that complicated and it's easy to defend. They try to do the high-low stuff, some of the screens to get Hoff a look off a catch, some screen and rolls, but nothing all that deep IMO. I do like some of the cutting action I've seen at times this year, that stuff can get you an easy 8, 10 points just from catching the D sleeping. But yeah, with only really one guy who I would characterize as a "scorer" in Blake, it's just hard to have a dynamic offense. Chip can become a good scorer for this team. Hollins as well, he's shown some good offensive IQ and ability to get to the rack. Andre Hollins also looks like he will come in at least with the ability to score. It'll be interesting to see who steps up next year with Blake exiting.
 


cjcarter8 said:
This team is missing 3 of its best players and its senior leader who happens to make the offense run.
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Are you referring to freshman Mo Walker as one of your "best players? If so, then you are dumb.
 

The funniest thing in this thread is that people think Tubby's replacement will earn $2 MM/yr.
 

Mulligan said:
Not that hard. Get the ball down low or get Blake a shot. Just that they're not very good at it.
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They never reverse the ball side to side quickly. Most of the guys, when they get the ball stand there hesitantly looking to see what they are going to do. It doesn't appear that guys know where their team mates are going to be. We just give the defenses way too much time to reposition themselves.
 

gall0249 said:
Are you referring to freshman Mo Walker as one of your "best players? If so, then you are dumb.
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Mo Walker is one of the 6 or 7 best players on this team. If he had stayed healthy he would have made a significant contribution. Notice I didn't say "the 3 best" or anything of that nature. At the time Mo got hurt he was the best player off the bench. Losing 3 players from the top of your rotation is debilitating for any team. Maybe that wording suits you better.
 

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