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....it would turn down a bowl game and focus on next season after such an inept performance against a bad Michigan State team...AT HOME. Instead, the Gophers are going to waste their time preparing for a worthless bowl game and continue to embarass themselves. Downright aweful game today.
 

We do get extra practices which is important but other than that extremely disappointed with today and just iffy on the program's direction in general. There are so many good coaches in this conference, including the guy on the opposite sideline today.
 

"Bad" Michigan State team?
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MSU is a good team that the Gophers did not match-up well with. Going to a bowl game in year 2 of a new coaching staff is above average for this program. The overriding concern, again, is Kill's health.
 

MSU needed to win to get into a bowl. Yeah, I'd say they aren't very good, just like MN.

Its pretty pathetic that you can get into a bowl by beating a bunch of nothing non-conference teams. I wish they'd change the magic number to be conference wins.
 


MaroonGopher said:
....it would turn down a bowl game and focus on next season after such an inept performance against a bad Michigan State team...AT HOME. Instead, the Gophers are going to waste their time preparing for a worthless bowl game and continue to embarass themselves. Downright aweful game today.
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Gophers turn down the ball, no more practice. Go to the bowl, extra practice. It's a no-brainer.
 

The score should have been about 56 -3. MSU blunders kept the Gophers around in the first half.
 

FireCosgroveGuy said:
MSU needed to win to get into a bowl. Yeah, I'd say they aren't very good, just like MN.

Its pretty pathetic that you can get into a bowl by beating a bunch of nothing non-conference teams. I wish they'd change the magic number to be conference wins.
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You do know MSU lost their games by 4 or less points right? Against teams like OSU & NE...

Next time do your research before sounding like an idiot...
 

I feel your pain. But realistically, 6-6 was all I was hoping for this year. I was only disappointed by the Michigan game (we flat out out played them in the 1st half - only to be down 14-7 at half with no momentum - what a wasted opportunity) and Iowa (where I thought our coaches did a horrible job preparing the team for its first true test).

We are woefully short on both lines. We were manhandled by all the decent B1G teams. We hardly get any push offensively and seem to be relying on stunts defensively. Yeah, injuries were an issue. But so is the lack of any depth.

Absolutely need to see the staff recruit and develop some line talent - or else this will be an insurmountable problem going forward.

Still looking forward to watching a bowl game - with hopefully healthy lineman.
 



thailleagle said:
You do know MSU lost their games by 4 or less points right? Against teams like OSU & NE...

Next time do your research before sounding like an idiot...
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I don't think him doing research is going to change that.
 

GoForGold said:
MSU is a good team that the Gophers did not match-up well with. Going to a bowl game in year 2 of a new coaching staff is above average for this program. The overriding concern, again, is Kill's health.
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See Brewster 2008...I'm glad we are going to a Bowl game but it is not like this is some amazing accomplishment. We beat a terrible UNLV team, a bad Western Michigan, lower level New Hampshire, an awful Illinois team, and a very average Purdue team. Outside of maybe Pudue the closest we got to a quality win was beating Syracuse and they are just OK.
 

MNVCGUY said:
See Brewster 2008...I'm glad we are going to a Bowl game but it is not like this is some amazing accomplishment. We beat a terrible UNLV team, a bad Western Michigan, lower level New Hampshire, an awful Illinois team, and a very average Purdue team. Outside of maybe Pudue the closest we got to a quality win was beating Syracuse and they are just OK.
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Amazing accomplishment? I disagree. This is a huge accomplishment for goodness sakes this team last year was horrible.
 

MNVCGUY said:
See Brewster 2008...I'm glad we are going to a Bowl game but it is not like this is some amazing accomplishment. We beat a terrible UNLV team, a bad Western Michigan, lower level New Hampshire, an awful Illinois team, and a very average Purdue team. Outside of maybe Pudue the closest we got to a quality win was beating Syracuse and they are just OK.
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You have to consider what an in-coming coach inherits when judging progress. I thought Brewster should have gotten the Gophers to a bowl in his first year here. He inherited a team that had been to 5-consecutive bowl games. Kill had a much more difficult task when he took over, in my opinion.
 



GoForGold said:
You have to consider what an in-coming coach inherits when judging progress. I thought Brewster should have gotten the Gophers to a bowl in his first year here. He inherited a team that had been to 5-consecutive bowl games. Kill had a much more difficult task when he took over, in my opinion.
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With Kill this process is going to take quite some because his system mirrors so many other B1G systems; we are going to have to beat other B1G teams at their own game. The road to hoe is going to be long....
 


goldengophers said:
With Kill this process is going to take quite some because his system mirrors so many other B1G systems; we are going to have to beat other B1G teams at their own game. The road to hoe is going to be long....
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When you finish dead last in the conference in recruiting, it is not likely to beat them at their own game consistently.
 

When did this team ever play like it had a chip on its shoulder? Never. No motivation to retain Floyd. No drive to take the Axe or Jug. No rising to the occasion to make a statement victory.

We also didn't choke away a game we truly should have lost. That's an improvement over the past two Gopher seasons.

I suppose I'll take it. But I expect more from next year's squad. I really do. 7 wins including a trophy game. No less.
 

thailleagle said:
You do know MSU lost their games by 4 or less points right? Against teams like OSU & NE...

Next time do your research before sounding like an idiot...
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Yes, MSU is a pretty good team with a murderous schedule. Nebraska is low-ranked because of losses to UCLA and Ohio State. The Big Ten beats itself up and pays for it in the polls.
 

Great Plains Gopher said:
Yes, MSU is a pretty good team with a murderous schedule. Nebraska is low-ranked because of losses to UCLA and Ohio State. The Big Ten beats itself up and pays for it in the polls.
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Which is why playoffs are important.
 

MNVCGUY said:
See Brewster 2008...I'm glad we are going to a Bowl game but it is not like this is some amazing accomplishment. We beat a terrible UNLV team, a bad Western Michigan, lower level New Hampshire, an awful Illinois team, and a very average Purdue team. Outside of maybe Pudue the closest we got to a quality win was beating Syracuse and they are just OK.
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You stole the words right off of my fingers. Brewster went to a bowl (largely with Mason's players) and everyone got prematurely giddy. Kill does the same (with the same 6-6 record and pretty much the previous coach's players) and everyone is making the same mistake.

Like others have said, I hope Kill is alright, but anyone taking solace from the last half of this season is, at least in my estimation, unduly optimistic. We're about where I thought we'd be, but we've got a long way to go. MSU is a young, upper-second tier team in the B1G and they are a lot better than we are.
 

GoForGold said:
You have to consider what an in-coming coach inherits when judging progress. I thought Brewster should have gotten the Gophers to a bowl in his first year here. He inherited a team that had been to 5-consecutive bowl games. Kill had a much more difficult task when he took over, in my opinion.
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If Mason hadn't been fired he would not have won more than 2 games in 2007. Probably only 1 game. All you need to know about that team is a true freshman safety from Colorado (Kyle Theret) who did not receive any other scholarship offers played in every game that year and started six (6) of them And the other safety position had a true freshman (Ryan Collado) start seven (7) games. And another true freshman defensive back (Curtis Thomas) started five (5) games. And that was just the start of what was wrong with the team that Mason left Brewster. If you want to know how bad the offensive line was that year send me a PM and I will spell it out for you.
 

One can't prove the negative, but I would have been surprised if Mason could have taken the 2007 team to a bowl, especially after Pinnix got banged up. Probably would have won three or four (maybe five), but I think getting to a bowl would have been a push. Again, can't prove the negative, so it's all conjecture.
 

Go4Broke said:
If Mason hadn't been fired he would not have won more than 2 games in 2007. Probably only 1 game. All you need to know about that team is a true freshman safety from Colorado (Kyle Theret) who did not receive any other scholarship offers played in every game that year and started six (6) of them And the other safety position had a true freshman (Ryan Collado) start seven (7) games. And another true freshman defensive back (Curtis Thomas) started five (5) games. And that was just the start of what was wrong with the team that Mason left Brewster. If you want to know how bad the offensive line was that year send me a PM and I will spell it out for you.
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Firing grinnin Glen was a good decision, hiring Brewster was an epically horrible decision. Let's leave it at that.
 


This team finished with one win above my expectation doubling last season's wins. It is going to take time. Let everybody have the extra practices and go to the bowl game. Get everybody healthy for next year. It is going to take three to four years when he finally gets a team with a full compliment of his recruits who would've then gone through his system. Then, we can judge the success of Kill's program.
 

Go4Broke said:
If Mason hadn't been fired he would not have won more than 2 games in 2007. Probably only 1 game. All you need to know about that team is a true freshman safety from Colorado (Kyle Theret) who did not receive any other scholarship offers played in every game that year and started six (6) of them And the other safety position had a true freshman (Ryan Collado) start seven (7) games. And another true freshman defensive back (Curtis Thomas) started five (5) games. And that was just the start of what was wrong with the team that Mason left Brewster. If you want to know how bad the offensive line was that year send me a PM and I will spell it out for you.
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Really? I mean really? I Mason coached team couldn't have beaten the likes of Bowling Green, Miami Ohio, Florida Atlantic and North Dakota State? You post takes the prize as the dumbest I've seen here in a long, long time.
 

GoForGold said:
Really? I mean really? I Mason coached team couldn't have beaten the likes of Bowling Green, Miami Ohio, Florida Atlantic and North Dakota State? You post takes the prize as the dumbest I've seen here in a long, long time.
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A better Gopher team beat a worse North Dakota State team on a blocked field goal in Mason's last year. I'm with you on the other ones, but I think getting bowl-eligible would have been a challenge for Mason or anyone else in 2007. But again, you can't prove the negative.
 

MaroonGopher said:
....it would turn down a bowl game and focus on next season after such an inept performance against a bad Michigan State team...AT HOME. Instead, the Gophers are going to waste their time preparing for a worthless bowl game and continue to embarass themselves. Downright aweful game today.
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Dumbest post ever.

I mean......ever.
 


50PoundHead said:
You stole the words right off of my fingers. Brewster went to a bowl (largely with Mason's players) and everyone got prematurely giddy. Kill does the same (with the same 6-6 record and pretty much the previous coach's players) and everyone is making the same mistake.

Like others have said, I hope Kill is alright, but anyone taking solace from the last half of this season is, at least in my estimation, unduly optimistic. We're about where I thought we'd be, but we've got a long way to go. MSU is a young, upper-second tier team in the B1G and they are a lot better than we are.
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One has very little to do with the other. Just because Brewster failed doesn't mean Kill will. Just because you flip a coin and it lands on heads, does not mean it will every time after that.

I don't see any problem with fans being excited about the future. Isn't that what being a fan is all about? I'd rather be hopeful for the future than pessimistic but that's just me.
 

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