If there's a silver lining to today's loss

[Mick Turition]

1. Pryor
2. Robinson
3. Chapelle
4. Cousins
gap
5-7. Persa, Tolzien, Stanzi

8. Scheelhaase
9. Boldin
11. PurdueQB

Where would Weber fit in? With similar talent around him he'd come in just behind Persa/Tolzien/Stanzi but only because Scheelhaase and Boldin lack experience.

 

[Izatys98]

Unbelievable

The people here ripping Adam are idiots. In his 5 years here he's had to learn a zone run offense, the spread (without the benefit of spread offense personnel), the pro-set, and now the "pound the rock" set. He's had to be the #1 option in the offense, both running and passing, during the spread experiment. He's had to endure Fisch teaching him how to throw a tennis ball. Now he's working within an offense where the goal is to keep the clock running so the defense can stay off the field as much as possible. The guy has as much talent as any CFB QB that I've watched this year other than maybe Locker. For those of you who want to pin this on Adam, get a grip on reality. The problem with the program starts with the administration that really doesn't care about the state of the FB program as long as all the tickets at The Bank are sold, trickles down to the AD who tried to save a couple of bucks 4 years ago by hiring a career TE coach, and ends with the HC who isn't qualified to teach football to my 5 y.o... Weber may be the best pure QB we've had here since Hohense (with all due respect to Foggie and Cupito) and his skills and talents have been wasted as the head coach has tried to figure out how to take the training wheels off his bike.

If you want to be pissed about something, focus on the HC. If you want to find a silver lining, look no further than the fact that this game all but sealed Brewster's fate...

 

[GopherFish]

The people here ripping Adam are idiots. In his 5 years here he's had to learn a zone run offense, the spread (without the benefit of spread offense personnel), the pro-set, and now the "pound the rock" set. He's had to be the #1 option in the offense, both running and passing, during the spread experiment. He's had to endure Fisch teaching him how to throw a tennis ball. Now he's working within an offense where the goal is to keep the clock running so the defense can stay off the field as much as possible. The guy has as much talent as any CFB QB that I've watched this year other than maybe Locker. For those of you who want to pin this on Adam, get a grip on reality. The problem with the program starts with the administration that really doesn't care about the state of the FB program as long as all the tickets at The Bank are sold, trickles down to the AD who tried to save a couple of bucks 4 years ago by hiring a career TE coach, and ends with the HC who isn't qualified to teach football to my 5 y.o... Weber may be the best pure QB we've had here since Hohense (with all due respect to Foggie and Cupito) and his skills and talents have been wasted as the head coach has tried to figure out how to take the training wheels off his bike.

If you want to be pissed about something, focus on the HC. If you want to find a silver lining, look no further than the fact that this game all but sealed Brewster's fate...

Great Post

+100000000000000000000000000000000000000000

 

[60's Guy]

Yes, but....

You guys are consistent at least - there are a lot of reasons why the Gophers are losing this year. One of which is the lack of consistency from #8. But, you can't win if you can't stop anybody - and we can't stop anybody.

Give us a good defense and people all of a sudden would have a much better opinion of Weber - even with all his inconsistency.

I agree there are a lot reasons why the Gophers are losing. But, why Weber is the quarterback is more than puzzling. He is not a freshman. Next year has been here for two years now. Again today as was the case last week...Weber is 3 for 13 on third down. If he would ever keep the offense on the field and inspire anyone....then the defense might play better. We might have better defensive field position with an offense? By comparison Wisconsin was 7 for 9 on third down. Again similar to last week. Sometimes your defense's problems have a lot to do with your offense. Not blaming poor tackling on Weber....

Your comment that if our defense was better that Weber's crappy play would be more forgivable is convoluted to my reasoning.

Gray needed to be the quarterback last year. Why would anyone with any common sense play Weber?

 

[60's Guy]

What the heck are you watching?

The people here ripping Adam are idiots. In his 5 years here he's had to learn a zone run offense, the spread (without the benefit of spread offense personnel), the pro-set, and now the "pound the rock" set. He's had to be the #1 option in the offense, both running and passing, during the spread experiment. He's had to endure Fisch teaching him how to throw a tennis ball. Now he's working within an offense where the goal is to keep the clock running so the defense can stay off the field as much as possible. The guy has as much talent as any CFB QB that I've watched this year other than maybe Locker. For those of you who want to pin this on Adam, get a grip on reality. The problem with the program starts with the administration that really doesn't care about the state of the FB program as long as all the tickets at The Bank are sold, trickles down to the AD who tried to save a couple of bucks 4 years ago by hiring a career TE coach, and ends with the HC who isn't qualified to teach football to my 5 y.o... Weber may be the best pure QB we've had here since Hohense (with all due respect to Foggie and Cupito) and his skills and talents have been wasted as the head coach has tried to figure out how to take the training wheels off his bike.

If you want to be pissed about something, focus on the HC. If you want to find a silver lining, look no further than the fact that this game all but sealed Brewster's fate...

Weber makes horrible decisions on the football field. He has proven, very clearly he can't win football games! That is his job!

Should we all feel sorry for him? Probably. But exactly because he's had 9 coaches and can't think is why he shouldn't be the quarterback.

Because we are not going to win the Big Ten this year....we need to be playing for the future. If your quarterback converts 3 of 13 third downs each week putting the defense back on the field. If he lose each week, the qb needs to sit.

So, Gray plays next year but we lose because he makes mistakes because he has no experience. That's ok? He'll have one more year. Maybe he's good then. And then we audition a new guy to give him experience? That cycle makes sense to you? If we played Gray last year....we'd of had the opportunity for three good years....versus one with the present plan.

 

[60's Guy]

Insanity

Here is a clue, the Gophers are a struggling college team. Just forget about what some pro "mouth" says. It really doesn't apply too much to struggling college teams.

We have the "recruitnicks" who think "recruiting ranking stars" are the only thing that matters. Then we have the "hang on every word the pro mouth talking heads" say about pro football and try to convert it to average and below average college quarterbacks.

Weber is a man and every time they hand him the ball, he goes out there and does the best he can with what little help he gets. He plays hurt. He puts up with the little hyper-critics that write on the blogs trying to say anyone else on the team who may have a quarterbacks number would be better than him. But, after all these years, the man that matrui hired to coach the Gophers and the third offensive coordinator keep handing the ball to Weber.

IF you people don't like it, start protesting Brewster...Maturi...prexy b, you know the people who put Brewster in charge. But, just back off the attempts to bash Weber. He has always tried to do his best in spite of everything...in spite of you people...in spite of all of the coaching changes...in spite of all of the offense changes...in spite of EVERYTHING.

I respect Weber a LOT. I wish this program had a LOT more players who are as coachable, have great attitudes and are blind enough and deaf enough to not have to be "cut to the very core" by all of the needless and incredibly biased hyper-criticism that spews from the peanut gallery toward this young man after every game.

You people have NOT gotten your way and I have a hunch you will NOT get your way, unless Weber gets hurt. I shudder to think what things would look like then...Thanks for hanging in there Mr. Weber! Go beat Purdue next Saturday!

How is that faith in Mr Weber working out each Saturday? It's not about Weber.....it's about what is best for Gopher football. Loyalty to someone is not a reason to lose football games.
Not in this instance. It's not like he was good last year or last week either. He was more successful a long time time ago. Decker played then.

 

[gopher the gold]

The people here ripping Adam are idiots. In his 5 years here he's had to learn a zone run offense, the spread (without the benefit of spread offense personnel), the pro-set, and now the "pound the rock" set. He's had to be the #1 option in the offense, both running and passing, during the spread experiment. He's had to endure Fisch teaching him how to throw a tennis ball. Now he's working within an offense where the goal is to keep the clock running so the defense can stay off the field as much as possible. The guy has as much talent as any CFB QB that I've watched this year other than maybe Locker. For those of you who want to pin this on Adam, get a grip on reality. The problem with the program starts with the administration that really doesn't care about the state of the FB program as long as all the tickets at The Bank are sold, trickles down to the AD who tried to save a couple of bucks 4 years ago by hiring a career TE coach, and ends with the HC who isn't qualified to teach football to my 5 y.o... Weber may be the best pure QB we've had here since Hohense (with all due respect to Foggie and Cupito) and his skills and talents have been wasted as the head coach has tried to figure out how to take the training wheels off his bike.

If you want to be pissed about something, focus on the HC. If you want to find a silver lining, look no further than the fact that this game all but sealed Brewster's fate...

You must not watch much football. He's not even top 5 in the Big Ten. The best thing for the program is to move on with Gray or Alipate.

 

[Section2]

No, I was referring to the ball that went right through his hands. He barely had to leave the ground. Not a tough catch to make if you have shown you can make circus catches.

Both McKnight TDs could have been picks, so I don't think you're picking on the right WR. Weber was 7 of 19 for 100 yards and was something like 2 of 10 on 3rd down conversions while the game was in doubt. He's a big part of the problem. Also, who said that people who think Weber should be replaced are "incredibly biased"? What does that mean? I'm biased against Adam? No, I really respect and admire him too. But Brew said he would be the QB if he performed well. He hasn't performed well and the season is lost. Why is he still getting 100% of the snaps? I bet playing QB would be easier on Queis' arch problem too.

 

[station19]

Two rules for being a football fan.

1. The quarterback gets all the credit and all the blame.
2. The most popular player on the team should always be the backup QB.

 

[Section2]

Two rules for being a football fan.

1. The quarterback gets all the credit and all the blame.
2. The most popular player on the team should always be the backup QB.

Ok, explain Vikings fans.

1. Slow start not blamed on Favre
2. TJack least popular player on team.

 

[station19]

Ok, explain Vikings fans.

1. Slow start not blamed on Favre
2. TJack least popular player on team.

There are exceptions to every rule. Especialy mine.

 

[Section2]

There are exceptions to every rule. Especialy mine.

Weber is also an exception to the rule. He has been given MUCH more than a fair shake by our fans. He's just very very average. It would be much better for him had Gray played a half, or a game or even the occasional series so the fans could make the comparison. If Gray was lousy, we'd back off Adam, knowing he's the best we have. This is unfortunately not the case, and Brew has handled the entire QB situation poorly.

 

[ButchNashGuy]

There are exceptions to every rule. Especialy mine.

Hall of Fame QB, Super Bowl Winner, Media star .... Tjack not quite at that point.

 

[gold04]

The silver linning in the loss is another game that helps get Tim Brewster out of here!

 

[gopher the gold]

Weber is also an exception to the rule. He has been given MUCH more than a fair shake by our fans. He's just very very average. It would be much better for him had Gray played a half, or a game or even the occasional series so the fans could make the comparison. If Gray was lousy, we'd back off Adam, knowing he's the best we have. This is unfortunately not the case, and Brew has handled the entire QB situation poorly.

+1

 

[Too Long in the Wasteland]

I never said Weber isn't trying

Two rules for being a football fan.

1. The quarterback gets all the credit and all the blame.
2. The most popular player on the team should always be the backup QB.

He's played his heart out for this team, and I'm sure losing to wisky 4 times in a row is a lot more painful for him than it is for us fans. And its not his fault he's had to endure 4 different offensive coordinators, at least one of whom was a total chimp.

But people, wake up and smell the coffee. Like most of the players on this team, he just isn't very good. On a good day he's average. Actually, I'd settle for consistently average through a course of a game. For every ESPN PotD throw to McKnight yesterday there were 2 or 3 that sailed 8' over the receivers' heads. Riddle me this: What other BT coach would trade their QB even up for Weber right now (leaving out eligibility & the future). Even PU would keep their backup. At least Henry led his team to victory yesterday.

You're right that the QB gets an unfair share of the blame. Comes with the territory. But Weber is indicative of the problem. Brewster has been a complete fraud in recruiting and developing talent, and our QB situation is the poster child for that. In 4 years Brewster has failed to produce an alternative to Weber. And it doesn't end there. How many of our other players would be starting for other BT teams? Other than McKnight or Gray (@WR) its a pretty short list. A lot of our starters would be hard pressed to crack the two-deeps on other Big Ten teams. Weber is a lightning rod for this criticism, but he's also only the tip of the iceberg (my bad on mixing metaphors).