If there's a silver lining to today's loss

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Its that the Weber apologists will STFU. Granted, #8 didn't lose the game singlehandedly, he wasn't playing defense, and it didn't help Adam that the gameplan was chimpesque. But Weber:

A)missed at least 5 very makeable throws, either overthrowing guys or aiming at their feet

B)Took avoidable sacks

C)the delay of game penalty was on him

Weber did have some nice runs, he didn't turn it over, and he did have several beautiful throws, including the 2 TD's to McKnight (one of which was in garbage time). But I'd rather have a QB who's consistently average over one who has one Drew Brees like throw followed by 6 Tavarus Jackson tosses. Even the announcers were busting on Weber most of the game. They had criticism for Tolzein, too, but that was a lot less frequent, and UW's QB hit his throws when he had too.

I agree with other posters that at this point it does no good to play Weber at QB. We should be getting Gray, or Alipate experience for next year.
 

Too Long in the Wasteland said:
Its that the Weber apologists will STFU. Granted, #8 didn't lose the game singlehandedly, he wasn't playing defense, and it didn't help Adam that the gameplan was chimpesque. But Weber:

A)missed at least 5 very makeable throws, either overthrowing guys or aiming at their feet

B)Took avoidable sacks

C)the delay of game penalty was on him

Weber did have some nice runs, he didn't turn it over, and he did have several beautiful throws, including the 2 TD's to McKnight (one of which was in garbage time). But I'd rather have a QB who's consistently average over one who has one Drew Brees like throw followed by 6 Tavarus Jackson tosses. Even the announcers were busting on Weber most of the game. They had criticism for Tolzein, too, but that was a lot less frequent, and UW's QB hit his throws when he had too.

I agree with other posters that at this point it does no good to play Weber at QB. We should be getting Gray, or Alipate experience for next year.
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Couldn't have said it better. The guy isn't horrible but he isn't taking us any where either. Time to move on.
 

Against bad defenses, Weber is mediocre, but against good ones like WI he's just plain bad. The overthrows just kill us week in and week out. Especially since we are so reliant on the run, the passes are usually used in critical situations so when they're off targe,t it's that much more devastating. Between Weber's misses and Gray's drop we left at least 17 points on the board.
 


One game closer to the end. That's the only silver lining.
 


Given the way this season is going, I suggest that we simply sticky a thread entitled "It there's a silver lining to today's loss" to the top of the forum list.
 

You guys are consistent at least - there are a lot of reasons why the Gophers are losing this year. One of which is the lack of consistency from #8. But, you can't win if you can't stop anybody - and we can't stop anybody.

Give us a good defense and people all of a sudden would have a much better opinion of Weber - even with all his inconsistency.
 

This is what I would call a "Year 2 Loss." The problem is it's Year 4.

I ache when I see McKnight is a junior. He should have been red-shirted. And I can say that about three or four other guys who were forced into action too early for whatever reason.
 

Marooned said:
Give us a good defense and people all of a sudden would have a much better opinion of Weber - even with all his inconsistency.
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Agree.

I guess it was Adam's fault that McKnight dropped a first half screen, and it was his fault that Gray dropped a td pass right in his hands, and it was his fault that Lair gave up on a pass up the middle. The McKnight td's were great throws by Weber, but I'm sure most of you guys will disagree. Weber didn't play well enough to overcome a terrible defense, but he wasn't terrible himself.
 



Unregistered User said:
You call it garbage time, but it was still against the starting D that knows the Gophers will be passing. Rip on him for rippable offenses, not that.
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The starting D was on the field only because Bulemia is a dickhead. In his defence, maybe that's what his coaching card told him to do? Based on the score at that point Wisconsin should have had the pissboy in there playing CB.

And it was a garbage time TD. Regardless of who was lined up on D, there was no way that 2nd TD to McKnight was going to affect the game's outcome. Maybe if Weber had made some more of his throws earlier (or if Gray had caught that one TD), then #6's 2nd score would have been meaningful. Woulda, coulda, shoulda
 

Its amusing to see some of you rip on Adam non-stop. The passing game has been much better than the running game, yet I don't hear you ripping on the running backs or the lineman. Adam doesn't play defense either and I don't see the same animosity shown against defense. Adam does his job better than most on the team and he's put up some pretty lofty numbers too. I can't say Adam's great, but he doesn't deserve all the criticism he's getting on this board.
 

tikited said:
Agree.

I guess it was Adam's fault that McKnight dropped a first half screen, and it was his fault that Gray dropped a td pass right in his hands, and it was his fault that Lair gave up on a pass up the middle. The McKnight td's were great throws by Weber, but I'm sure most of you guys will disagree. Weber didn't play well enough to overcome a terrible defense, but he wasn't terrible himself.
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How about when he threw it over Hoese's head in the end zone? How about when he had to burn a timeout at the end of the first half because he spent so much time bitching at Bryant Allen? How about throwing it over McKnight's head on a key third-down bubble screen?
 

tikited said:
I guess it was Adam's fault that McKnight dropped a first half screen, and it was his fault that Gray dropped a td pass right in his hands, and it was his fault that Lair gave up on a pass up the middle. The McKnight td's were great throws by Weber, but I'm sure most of you guys will disagree. Weber didn't play well enough to overcome a terrible defense, but he wasn't terrible himself.
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Are you referring to the first half WR screen that was thrown so high that Manute Bol couldn't catch it?
 



How about when he didn't tackle John Clay? Or stop James White? Or when he didn't sack Tolzien?

There's a lot to be desired about Weber - but those plays were insignificant in the entire scheme of things during the game. It's our defense that's losing these games.
 

Maroon said:
How about when he threw it over Hoese's head in the end zone? How about when he had to burn a timeout at the end of the first half because he spent so much time bitching at Bryant Allen? How about throwing it over McKnight's head on a key third-down bubble screen?
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Yep, those things happened. (Bryant Allen ran the wrong way again by the way-seems to be a thing with this receiving group.) Like I wrote, he didn't play well enough, but he wasn't anywhere near as bad as you think he was.
 

tikited said:
Agree.

I guess it was Adam's fault that McKnight dropped a first half screen, and it was his fault that Gray dropped a td pass right in his hands, and it was his fault that Lair gave up on a pass up the middle. The McKnight td's were great throws by Weber, but I'm sure most of you guys will disagree. Weber didn't play well enough to overcome a terrible defense, but he wasn't terrible himself.
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Unlike some other posters in this thread, it appears tikited actually watched the Gopher/Badger game. ;)
 

FireCosgroveGuy said:
Are you referring to the first half WR screen that was thrown so high that Manute Bol couldn't catch it?
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No, I was referring to the ball that went right through his hands. He barely had to leave the ground. Not a tough catch to make if you have shown you can make circus catches.
 

I don't think most people are saying that he is the only reason, but he is part of the reason the offense struggles. His accuracy falls apart sometimes and its real ugly. Those 15 foot passes and worm burners adds up.

The defense is terrible, which is why I dislike Cosgrove, to say the least. Really, I think all the coordinator stink. Run,Run,Pass isn't creative and when the defense knows its coming its not hard to send a LB up the middle to meet the RB in the hole. Its the main reason why this team always has the time of possession advantage but fails miserably when it comes to scoring points. The IDEOLOGY of running it can't take precedence over mixing it up and getting explosive plays.

I'm also a big NFL fan and coaches always talk about how one of the big keys to the game, beyond turnovers and whatnot, is EXPLOSIVE plays, which I believe are defined as 20+ yards. This team rarely seems to get those until its garbage time, largely because 75% of the time (or more) its going to come out of the passing game.
 

FireCosgroveGuy said:
The defense is terrible, which is why I dislike Cosgrove, to say the least. Really, I think all the coordinator stink. Run,Run,Pass isn't creative and when the defense knows its coming its not hard to send a LB up the middle to meet the RB in the hole. Its the main reason why this team always has the time of possession advantage but fails miserably when it comes to scoring points. The IDEOLOGY of running it can't take precedence over mixing it up and getting explosive plays.

I'm also a big NFL fan and coaches always talk about how one of the big keys to the game, beyond turnovers and whatnot, is EXPLOSIVE plays, which I believe are defined as 20+ yards. This team rarely seems to get those until its garbage time, largely because 75% of the time (or more) its going to come out of the passing game.
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We are damned if we do and damned if we don't. We NEED to keep the defense off of the field because they are so bad, but we can't score enough points by being a "pound the rock" team. We are obviously a better passing team than a running team, but with the combination of a bad play by Weber now and then and boneheaded plays by our receivers...the defense will see more action. Now add a terrible kicking game...:confused:
 

tikited said:
We are damned if we do and damned if we don't. We NEED to keep the defense off of the field because they are so bad, but we can't score enough points by being a "pound the rock" team. We are obviously a better passing team than a running team, but with the combination of a bad play by Weber now and then and boneheaded plays by our receivers...the defense will see more action. Now add a terrible kicking game...:confused:
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They need to run the ball, but passing on early downs is essential. If you run it on 1st down 90% of the time, it'll get stuffed. Its really not that hard to have better balance and its not that hard to change it up and throw on 1st or 2nd down.
 

FireCosgroveGuy said:
They need to run the ball, but passing on early downs is essential. If you run it on 1st down 90% of the time, it'll get stuffed. Its really not that hard to have better balance and its not that hard to change it up and throw on 1st or 2nd down.
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I thought they threw the ball effectively on first down (the times they did). I was paying attention to this, and I'm pretty sure that they did not throw the ball on 2nd down until late in the 3rd quarter when they pretty much had to throw every time.

Those were the ones that turned a bunch of 2 and 6's into 3rd and 9, or worse.
 

tikited said:
Yep, those things happened. (Bryant Allen ran the wrong way again by the way-seems to be a thing with this receiving group.) Like I wrote, he didn't play well enough, but he wasn't anywhere near as bad as you think he was.
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How would you know how bad I think he was? He failed miserably in some very key situations when the game was actually still within reach. But if anyone brings that up, you want to talk about the defense. Well, sure, the defense sucks too. That doesn't mean Weber doesn't. There's enough ineptitude to fill up a locker room right now.
 

Unregistered User said:
I thought they threw the ball effectively on first down (the times they did). I was paying attention to this, and I'm pretty sure that they did not throw the ball on 2nd down until late in the 3rd quarter when they pretty much had to throw every time.

Those were the ones that turned a bunch of 2 and 6's into 3rd and 9, or worse.
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That is the problem I have. If you only throw it when you have to, and occasionally on 1st down, you are screwed. Its way too predictable and teams are just going to jam up the box.

Brewster acts like he is a genius with this power run crap and its so f-ing simple that the defense has no problem shutting it down.
 

Maroon said:
How about when he threw it over Hoese's head in the end zone? How about when he had to burn a timeout at the end of the first half because he spent so much time bitching at Bryant Allen? How about throwing it over McKnight's head on a key third-down bubble screen?
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How about when you start giving the pump shotgun head?
 

Weber needs to remain the starter so he can show off his skills to the NFL scouts.
 

Marooned said:
You guys are consistent at least - there are a lot of reasons why the Gophers are losing this year. One of which is the lack of consistency from #8. But, you can't win if you can't stop anybody - and we can't stop anybody.

Give us a good defense and people all of a sudden would have a much better opinion of Weber - even with all his inconsistency.
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Clearly the defense is a disaster and the O-line hasn't been much better, and I can't speak for everyone but my problem with Weber is through 4 years as a starter he still makes poor desicions and has seemed to regress. I just think playing Gray or Alipate is what is best for the program at this point because to me it doesn't seem as Weber is the reason we will win games this year and certanly won't be the reason we win next year, but Gray or Alipate could be.
 

So, you say you are a pro football fan?

Here is a clue, the Gophers are a struggling college team. Just forget about what some pro "mouth" says. It really doesn't apply too much to struggling college teams.

We have the "recruitnicks" who think "recruiting ranking stars" are the only thing that matters. Then we have the "hang on every word the pro mouth talking heads" say about pro football and try to convert it to average and below average college quarterbacks.

Weber is a man and every time they hand him the ball, he goes out there and does the best he can with what little help he gets. He plays hurt. He puts up with the little hyper-critics that write on the blogs trying to say anyone else on the team who may have a quarterbacks number would be better than him. But, after all these years, the man that matrui hired to coach the Gophers and the third offensive coordinator keep handing the ball to Weber.

IF you people don't like it, start protesting Brewster...Maturi...prexy b, you know the people who put Brewster in charge. But, just back off the attempts to bash Weber. He has always tried to do his best in spite of everything...in spite of you people...in spite of all of the coaching changes...in spite of all of the offense changes...in spite of EVERYTHING.

I respect Weber a LOT. I wish this program had a LOT more players who are as coachable, have great attitudes and are blind enough and deaf enough to not have to be "cut to the very core" by all of the needless and incredibly biased hyper-criticism that spews from the peanut gallery toward this young man after every game.

You people have NOT gotten your way and I have a hunch you will NOT get your way, unless Weber gets hurt. I shudder to think what things would look like then...Thanks for hanging in there Mr. Weber! Go beat Purdue next Saturday!
 

imthewalrus said:
I respect Weber a LOT. I wish this program had a LOT more players who are as coachable, have great attitudes and are blind enough and deaf enough to not have to be "cut to the very core" by all of the needless and incredibly biased hyper-criticism that spews from the peanut gallery toward this young man after every game.QUOTE]

Exactly!
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imthewalrus said:
Here is a clue, the Gophers are a struggling college team. Just forget about what some pro "mouth" says. It really doesn't apply too much to struggling college teams.

We have the "recruitnicks" who think "recruiting ranking stars" are the only thing that matters. Then we have the "hang on every word the pro mouth talking heads" say about pro football and try to convert it to average and below average college quarterbacks.

Weber is a man and every time they hand him the ball, he goes out there and does the best he can with what little help he gets. He plays hurt. He puts up with the little hyper-critics that write on the blogs trying to say anyone else on the team who may have a quarterbacks number would be better than him. But, after all these years, the man that matrui hired to coach the Gophers and the third offensive coordinator keep handing the ball to Weber.

IF you people don't like it, start protesting Brewster...Maturi...prexy b, you know the people who put Brewster in charge. But, just back off the attempts to bash Weber. He has always tried to do his best in spite of everything...in spite of you people...in spite of all of the coaching changes...in spite of all of the offense changes...in spite of EVERYTHING.

I respect Weber a LOT. I wish this program had a LOT more players who are as coachable, have great attitudes and are blind enough and deaf enough to not have to be "cut to the very core" by all of the needless and incredibly biased hyper-criticism that spews from the peanut gallery toward this young man after every game.

You people have NOT gotten your way and I have a hunch you will NOT get your way, unless Weber gets hurt. I shudder to think what things would look like then...Thanks for hanging in there Mr. Weber! Go beat Purdue next Saturday!
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Thanks for the post Mr. Weber
 

I'm convinced that people who defend Weber started watching football in 2007...
 

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