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I'm scheduling some visits now.
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If Iowa goes to the NC, where will you check in for therapy?
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I will be sick to my stomach.......
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Where else?
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Every year at the halfway point people assume teams will win out. Rarely happens. I actually hope they do stay undefeated til we play them. Would love the chance to stomp on their dreams.
I would actually like to see them play Texas, USC, Florida, or Alabama. Normally I would cheer for the Big 10 team but I couldn't do it in this case. I know its bad for the conference rep but I don't care. I would thouroughly enjoy the ass kicking one of those teams would inflict on them.
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Even if they did make it into the NC game (massive, huge IF), it wouldn't be so bad. They would get CRUSHED. Hard and often by Alabama, Florida, whomever....Now if Alabama's or Florida's players all got h1n1, sars, bird flu and SIDS at once and Iowa won a NC game, then I would consider some counseling.
But what are those odds? I'll answer my own question. Bad. Bad odds.
But what are those odds? I'll answer my own question. Bad. Bad odds.
If they win out until we play them, they would have already clinched a Rose Bowl. Even if we beat them, we wouldn't exactly be stomping out their dreams. They'd still be Rose Bowling. Kind of like in 1990 when we beat them in the dome, but they still clinched the Rose Bowl.
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But we would take the NC game out of the picture if we won in "TCF Bank South". Okay, I know TCFBS is a stretch but come on, a guy can dream.
AKGopher, I am curious how you can respect K. Ferentz? I think his actions in the rape cover up are inexcusable and he should have been fired. It proves that Iowa cares more about football wins than this co-eds safety. Also he had 30 arrests of his playes with little discipline.
http://deadspin.com/5027393/university-of-iowa-athletic-staff-conspired-to-cover-up-a-sexual-assault
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My friend, I don't think you know Iowa fans very well. They've played in Rose Bowls each of the last 3 decades, it's a big deal, but not huge. Right now they can taste a MNC game. If they beat OSU on the road the week before they play us, they'll be salivating. An easy win at home over the gophers and we're in the nat'l title game. You don't think that would be the most crushing possible loss? Those fans are still pissed about losing the '85 Rose Bowl, and I know some who would literally love to kill Ronnie Harmon for fumbling that game away. Trust me. Nothing would be more crushing.
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Pasadena. Confront your demons.
I'll never forget the last time Iowa qualified for the Rose Bowl and the mayor of Pasadena was overheard saying, "When Iowa fans come to Pasadena, it's just like Puerto Rican Day in New York. Anybody with any sense flees the city."
Honestly, the comparison made me feel bad for Puerto Ricans.
Please tell, what were Kirk Ferentz's inexcusable actions in the "rape cover up"? That thing has been investigated and reinvestigated (by independent investigators), and there was no wrongdoing by Kirk Ferentz. He adhered to university policy to a T. He covered up nothing. There was no cover up. Period. The university policies were found to be inadequate and too rigid, but Ferentz didn't create the university policies. Per the independent investigations, I believe there were a lot of inaccurate assertions initially made by the understandably mad parents of the victim. The accused players were immediately suspended from the team, then kicked off.
As for 30 arrests with little discipline, tell that to the many players he has booted from the team for being arrested. I don't know about the "30" arrest assertion being some kind of an accurate count, but a large majority of those were public intoxication charges and underage drinking charges. So the man doesn't kick players permanently off the team for making a youthful mistake which results in a public intoxication or underage drinking "arrest" (many of those "arrests" were citations), that clearly makes him Jack the Ripper. You know nothing of the punishment he dishes out.
They hired an St. Louis (I think) law firm to investigate. The report found the University (not athletic department) procedures to suck (paraphrasing), but found absolutely no cover up or obstruction. The investigation did suggest that some university administrators failed to do their jobs, and they were subsequently fired. The players involved were booted from the team, and they moved away from Iowa City IIRC. Their trials in Iowa City have been delayed several times I believe.
While I don't want Iowa to win or even play for the National Title, along with akgopher, I can stomach their run and play this year. Ferentz is a good coach, maximizes his the talent and minimizes mistakes, things I am envious of right now. If you've ever been to Iowa City or know anyone who lived there, you would know the cops are more strict there than anywhere I have ever been.
Alright, too many Iowa compliments for me. Bring on the Spartans and getting win 5 on our way to 8!
Alright, too many Iowa compliments for me. Bring on the Spartans and getting win 5 on our way to 8!
here is an article that states 26 players arreseted/cited over a 26 month period. KF has an attitude that this trend is no big deal. His son was cited 2 times in less than 6 months and gets only suspended during the off season. If he cant control his own son, then why would the other players stay out of trouble. Iowa had to hire a director of player developement because of all the problems.
The cover up is that KF was in the 5 person panel that advised her not to go the formal route for this rape but to handle it within the university. Nothing was done for 5 weeks until the mother went to the police. Also KF transfered the players to the same dorm, just down the hall. If he didnt cover up the rape he should have immediately suspended the players. He didnt do that until it went public. That is why he is in my opinion a loser of a person.
http://m.desmoinesregister.com/news.jsp?key=479461&rc=sp
Thanks for the link, just the example I was trying to make. So Kyle Calloway, a 5th year senior with an exemplary record at Iowa, makes a mistake and drives his moped with a a blood-alcohol level of .106. Yes, I know its illegal in Iowa to drive with a a blood-alcohol level above .08, and he deserves whatever punishment the law prescribes. However, its not exactly like the guy is a hardened criminal. You would think that "counseling and educational requirements, extensive community service obligations and game suspension prior to returning to the field," which is what Ferentz handed out, with be sufficient additional discipline wouldn't you?
By the way, the article says "he is at least the 26th Hawkeye football player known to have been charged or ticketed by police since April 2007." Note the subtle distinction between "arrested" and "ticketed". Under age drinking, the kind that the Gopher hockey team was shown on Fox 9 (hack reporting if you ask me) to engage in, gets you a PAULA citation, not an arrest. If that is the sign of an out of control program, so be it, but its not like the 26 arrests were all rape and robbery. More serious offenses have been met with permanent dismissal from the team.
As for his son, his first offense was a PAULA citation. He wasn't drunk, but rather had possession of a can of beer when he was under the age of 21. Did you ever commit that crime? For that, he was suspended for the season. Not just redshirted, suspended so he couldn't participate in team workouts, activities, etc. That is pretty harsh, but his timing stunk as his dad was fed up with these problems. His second offense was public intox--not very bright James Ferentz, not very bright. He was suspended from spring practices (which hurts his development a lot having missed fall practices), and a crapload of other discipline. Should we hang him also?
As for Ferentz being part of a panel that advised the victim not to go the formal route for rape, I don't think that is an accurate depiction. Ferentz has stated he wanted nothing to do with being a part of the Universities' handling of the matter. I think it was stated that the victim wanted to keep it quieter, which probably isn't out of the norm for a victim of a rape crime like this, and that she wanted Ferentz involved. Isn't Ferentz supposed to advocate for his players? Asking him to be involved in the handling of an allegation (one that I believe, but still an allegation not a conviction) puts Ferentz in an unfair position with a conflict of interest. Your assertion that he didn't immediately suspend the players is false. He didn't publicly announce the suspensions until the matter became public. They were immediately suspended, and later kicked off the team for good. Believe it or not, even accused rapist probably have some rights. What is Ferentz to do, personally change the locks on their dorm rooms leaving them homeless without any trial, hearing or investigation? Kirk Ferentz probably doesn't handle dorm assignments, and he definitely didn't transfer the players to a different dorm room.
The independent investigation reportedly had zippo to say negatively about Ferentz. It was a university problem.
By the way, since suspensions don't seem to be enough punishment in your eyes AV Gopher for underage drinking and other non-violent alcohol related offenses, how do you feel about the Gophers not even suspending Gary Tinsley for the same offense?
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I agree, Iowa does not bother me like Wisconsin does. Ferentz is a great coach. Now having said that I would love to be the team to give them their first loss of the season!
p.s. Regarding the comment that Ferentz can't control his own son is one of the sillier things I've seen. I don't have any kids, but I'm smart enough to know that kids will make foolish decisions on their own. What do you expect him to do, lock his kids in the basement?
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A Big Ten team in the NC that is not named Ohio State or Michigan would be huge for the Conference. Their fans are delusional d-bags but I will enjoy the recruiting and other boosts Minnesota can get by the increased profile of the Big Ten.
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Iowa doesn't bother me. They earned my respect (for the moment) by following up their win last year by stomping the Gamecocks in a manner that ESPN had to work very hard to burry and ignore. IMO, at then end of the season, Iowa had improved to become the best team in the country -- similar to Georgia the prior year.
Ferentz and iowa are deserving of a shot at the SEC Champion if they win-out. Unfortunately, I don't think there is anyone else in the Big XII is going to give Texas any sort of challenge at all.
Ferentz and iowa are deserving of a shot at the SEC Champion if they win-out. Unfortunately, I don't think there is anyone else in the Big XII is going to give Texas any sort of challenge at all.
[B]If Gary Tinsley did indeed do what the paper stated, I do believe that he should be suspended for some games. I do think that OWI, assault, sexual assault, credit card fraud, drug charges are all things that should all be dealt with from being kicked off the team to suspensions (OWI) and the PAULA as internal disiplines, although a large pattern of PAULAs especially the coaches kid should cause a coach to set an example to the team that this crap needs to stop and that we wont tolerate it. Altough missing spring practice time doesnt help but a larger penalty to a repeat offender should have been suspension of a game or two. I think that you would have stopped all the problems if you have to miss games, Not games as in Arkansas State, but a real game. Opps I guess if that would of happened maybe you would have lost.[/B]
By the way, the article says "he is at least the 26th Hawkeye football player known to have been charged or ticketed by police since April 2007." Note the subtle distinction between "arrested" and "ticketed". Under age drinking, the kind that the Gopher hockey team was shown on Fox 9 (hack reporting if you ask me) to engage in, gets you a PAULA citation, not an arrest. If that is the sign of an out of control program, so be it, but its not like the 26 arrests were all rape and robbery. More serious offenses have been met with permanent dismissal from the team.
Well I do agree that all are not big offenses as rapes, assaults, ect., but having numerous PAULAs with other citations involved is the problem. As for the Gopher hockey team, they were in the wrong for under age drinking but there were no citations as the police were not involved. You don't go hire a director of player developement if there isn't a big problem. The Gopher hockey team was disciplined as they should have been.
As for his son, his first offense was a PAULA citation. He wasn't drunk, but rather had possession of a can of beer when he was under the age of 21. Did you ever commit that crime? For that, he was suspended for the season. Not just redshirted, suspended so he couldn't participate in team workouts, activities, etc. That is pretty harsh, but his timing stunk as his dad was fed up with these problems. His second offense was public intox--not very bright James Ferentz, not very bright. He was suspended from spring practices (which hurts his development a lot having missed fall practices), and a crapload of other discipline. Should we hang him also?
Actually I have never committed a crime, speeding yes but I didnt drink until I was 19 which was the legal drinking age. Also maybe James Ferentz should be held to a higher level of behavior. Once you take care of the problem and suspend from games, obviously the punishment was not a deterant for him to do it again within 6 months.
As for Ferentz being part of a panel that advised the victim not to go the formal route for rape, I don't think that is an accurate depiction. Ferentz has stated he wanted nothing to do with being a part of the Universities' handling of the matter. I think it was stated that the victim wanted to keep it quieter, which probably isn't out of the norm for a victim of a rape crime like this, and that she wanted Ferentz involved. Isn't Ferentz supposed to advocate for his players? Asking him to be involved in the handling of an allegation (one that I believe, but still an allegation not a conviction) puts Ferentz in an unfair position with a conflict of interest. Your assertion that he didn't immediately suspend the players is false. He didn't publicly announce the suspensions until the matter became public. They were immediately suspended, and later kicked off the team for good. Believe it or not, even accused rapist probably have some rights. What is Ferentz to do, personally change the locks on their dorm rooms leaving them homeless without any trial, hearing or investigation? Kirk Ferentz probably doesn't handle dorm assignments, and he definitely didn't transfer the players to a different dorm room.
The independent investigation reportedly had zippo to say negatively about Ferentz. It was a university problem.
Well I guess we have a different opinion on whats right and wrong. If I were the coach, I would have suspended the players immediately and made sure that the process didnt take 5 weeks, kept the victims parents informed to what I was doing to correct the situation. Keep a close eye on the players, and make sure that any decisions to affect the players had to be approved by me. I would have known that they were switching dorm room. I think that Iowa had a big problem over that 2 year time and it all was because of the leadership of KF. All schools have problems as we know the Gophers have had theirs also. We had 3 players kicked off the team for violating the student code of conduct in the Dominick Jones case, no criminal charges and they were kicked off the team.
Ferentz also told players to clean up the dorm room where the rape occurred. Throw out evidence like used condoms, bloody mattress, etc. THAT is a crime in most jurisdictions, but I guess not Johnson County, Iowa.
"As for Ferentz being part of a panel that advised the victim not to go the formal route for rape, I don't think that is an accurate depiction. Ferentz has stated he wanted nothing to do with being a part of the Universities' handling of the matter. I think it was stated that the victim wanted to keep it quieter, which probably isn't out of the norm for a victim of a rape crime like this, and that she wanted Ferentz involved. Isn't Ferentz supposed to advocate for his players? Asking him to be involved in the handling of an allegation (one that I believe, but still an allegation not a conviction) puts Ferentz in an unfair position with a conflict of interest. Your assertion that he didn't immediately suspend the players is false. He didn't publicly announce the suspensions until the matter became public. They were immediately suspended, and later kicked off the team for good. Believe it or not, even accused rapist probably have some rights. What is Ferentz to do, personally change the locks on their dorm rooms leaving them homeless without any trial, hearing or investigation? Kirk Ferentz probably doesn't handle dorm assignments, and he definitely didn't transfer the players to a different dorm room."
This is completely unture. Read the letters sent to the Board of Regents and the University President. Ferentz encouraged the girl NOT to go to the authorities and that they would handle everything "in-house." So according to Ferentz, either rape is not a criminal offense at the University of Iowa or his word reigns above the law on campus.
This is completely unture. Read the letters sent to the Board of Regents and the University President. Ferentz encouraged the girl NOT to go to the authorities and that they would handle everything "in-house." So according to Ferentz, either rape is not a criminal offense at the University of Iowa or his word reigns above the law on campus.