If Chryst and Bostad go to Texas...

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gopherbadgerman said:
Ok I will re-word it then, my apologies for that.

Wisconsin is a top 20 college football school. They are not on the level of OSU, Texas, USC, Alabama, or Florida.

I guess it depends what you consider a top level school. I see your point.
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Timeframe? This year, yes; all time, no. I think ESPN ranked them #32 when they did their all-time ranking last year.
 

grunkiejr said:
Timeframe? This year, yes; all time, no. I think ESPN ranked them #32 when they did their all-time ranking last year.
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How about the last 20 years, that seems like a decent time frame...

They are an easy top 20 program over the past 20 years, behind OSU, Michigan, and MAYBE PSU in B10.
 

gopherbadgerman said:
How about the last 20 years, that seems like a decent time frame...

They are an easy top 20 program over the past 20 years, behind OSU, Michigan, and MAYBE PSU in B10.
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Frankly, I don't give a damn. Rankings mean nothing.
 

gopherbadgerman said:
How about the last 20 years, that seems like a decent time frame...

They are an easy top 20 program over the past 20 years, behind OSU, Michigan, and MAYBE PSU in B10.
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It probably isn't a coincidence that you said 20 instead of 10 considering how much better the 90's (3 Big Ten Titles) were for Wisconsin than the 00's (1). It also isn't a coincidence you avoided the 80's.

Like I said, it is all about timeframe. If you go from 1936 (Beginning of the AP Poll/ESPN's choice) Wisconsin was either 32 or 33.
 

grunkiejr said:
Like I said, it is all about timeframe. If you go from 1936 (Beginning of the AP Poll/ESPN's choice) Wisconsin was either 32 or 33.
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Actually, the BADgers were 34th in those rankings...one behind the Gophers, at 33. And the only reason Minnesota is that low is because recent accomplishments are weighted so heavily. If each year were weighted equally, Minnesota would be top 15.
 


Sweet Jesus

gopherbadgerman said:
How about the last 20 years, that seems like a decent time frame...

They are an easy top 20 program over the past 20 years, behind OSU, Michigan, and MAYBE PSU in B10.
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Not the arbitrary 20 yr time frame again.
 

Silvio said:
When this happens its won't be the death blow to Wisconsin that many of you are hoping for. Teams at the top level of college football tend to have fairly high turnover at the coordinator positions. Sure it can set them back for a year or two, but they usually rebound nicely. This is especially true for schools who know who they are and what they want to do.
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Smoke 'em if you got 'em. :rolleyes:
 


dpodoll68 said:
You're right, but there are two options with the new hires: they either run the same system or they don't. If they don't, it's obvious there will be some growing pains. If they do, what are the chances they will be immediately as good at their jobs as Chryst, Doeren, Bostad, etc. were after being in the system for 5-6 years? Slim to none. Either way, there has to be a drop-off. There just has to be.
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Good grief, could this be any more of a soap opera?

Now it looks like Chryst "could" have worked his way out of both the positions he was sniffing around; Texas OC and the Pitt Head Coaching gig.

Mack Brown sounds like he's moving on with pursuing the Boise State OC (Harsin?) because of Chryst's courting of the Pittsburgh job. Only it seems that the Penn State DC is the front-runner for the Pitt job.

Sooooooo, there's a decent chance Chryst and the O-line coach Bostad are back in Madison next year? What a mess....
 



The UW athletic department board has historically proven itself unwilling or unable to increase salaries without an external FMV comparison (see Alvarez, Barry and Bielema, Bret). There is some speculation, admittedly wishful thinking on our part, that the Chryst courtships are to give Barry the ammunition needed to increase the salaries substantially. If Chryst goes to Pitt, I would expect he might take Joe Rudolph with him, because of Rudolph's recruiting prowess and ties to that part of the country.

I still think an NFL OC job would suit him better, when the time is right.
 

wait!what? said:
Not the arbitrary 20 yr time frame again.
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This is going to be tough to follow, so pay attention.

There is nothing arbitrary about 20 years. Kids that you recruit are 15-18 years old, which means for their entire lives, Wisconsin has had a top 20 football program. 4 Rose Bowls in 17 years, the only Big Ten team to win back to back Rose Bowls, etc. These kids don't care about who won the mythical national title in 1938. They care about what they know and they know that Wisconsin has had a ton of success. They have no clue about the bad years.

It is pretty simple.

If recruiting 80 year olds was important, the Gophers would be dominant.
 

GVBadger said:
This is going to be tough to follow, so pay attention.

There is nothing arbitrary about 20 years. Kids that you recruit are 15-18 years old, which means for their entire lives, Wisconsin has had a top 20 football program. 4 Rose Bowls in 17 years, the only Big Ten team to win back to back Rose Bowls, etc. These kids don't care about who won the mythical national title in 1938. They care about what they know and they know that Wisconsin has had a ton of success. They have no clue about the bad years.

It is pretty simple.

If recruiting 80 year olds was important, the Gophers would be dominant.
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Well said.
 

gopherbadgerman said:
Well said.
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Why don't the two of you go give each other back rubs on another board?

I really can't imagine the loser mentality it takes coupled with so much insecurity in your program that you have spent this much time on another team's board.
 



GVBadger said:
This is going to be tough to follow, so pay attention.

There is nothing arbitrary about 20 years. Kids that you recruit are 15-18 years old, which means for their entire lives, Wisconsin has had a top 20 football program. 4 Rose Bowls in 17 years, the only Big Ten team to win back to back Rose Bowls, etc. These kids don't care about who won the mythical national title in 1938. They care about what they know and they know that Wisconsin has had a ton of success. They have no clue about the bad years.

It is pretty simple.

If recruiting 80 year olds was important, the Gophers would be dominant.
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But it is arbitrary. How many games do you remember when you were less than 5 years old? Then why isn't it an arbitrary 15 year rule?
 

How about in recent history the Badgers are a top 20 program?
 


Unregistered User said:
Why don't the two of you go give each other back rubs on another board?

I really can't imagine the loser mentality it takes coupled with so much insecurity in your program that you have spent this much time on another team's board.
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The gophers are my team as much as they are yours. I have given thousands of dollars to their athletic department since 1998 and have as much of a right to be here as you. I have no insecurity in "my" program (whoever that is). Its people like you that get so bent out of shape and are hell bound to prove someone incorrect that does not agree with you that has the "loser mentality" you speak of.

Sweet dreams.
 

I'll believe Chryst has the stones to take and HC position when I see it.
 

I do know that WI is pretty tight fisted with the UW so raises can be hard fought.
Oh, for the days when Butch would bring in his awesome New Glarus meats for the Bologna Bash. Although, now I am a Hoesly man.
 

TAW said:
The UW athletic department board has historically proven itself unwilling or unable to increase salaries without an external FMV comparison (see Alvarez, Barry and Bielema, Bret). There is some speculation, admittedly wishful thinking on our part, that the Chryst courtships are to give Barry the ammunition needed to increase the salaries substantially. If Chryst goes to Pitt, I would expect he might take Joe Rudolph with him, because of Rudolph's recruiting prowess and ties to that part of the country.

I still think an NFL OC job would suit him better, when the time is right.
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Now it looks like this may have just been a ploy on Chryst's part (and perhaps others) to try to wangle a raise out of the Madison athletic department. Sounds like Texas is going with Harsin from Boise State and Major Applewhite as co-Offensive Coordinators so Chryst is all but done with things there. And he appears out of the running (if he ever had a chance) for the Pitt job, according to ESPN this morning.

There's no way Chryst could have been so stupid and incompetent to hose this up without an alterior motive. He knew full well even sniffing the Pitt job after having the Texas OC job if he wanted it would cause Mack Brown to move in a different direction. He also likely knew full well that he had no chance at the Pitt job.

Let's see if it works out the way he wanted it to. Care to place odds on a revised contract for Chryst and his O-line coach in the coming weeks?
 



dpodoll68 said:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6008507

IALTO.
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Yeah, ummmmm... what I meant to say was... until the ink is dry, nothing's official.

Dang entrenched Madison-loving daughters and former Pitt coaches that can't not beat a woman.

:mad:

But yeah, there's been talk of Harsin being an option for months now. I think Chryst was plan A and Harsin was plan B. Texas just couldn't keep an offer on the table for a candidate trying to land a head coaching gig.

I'm pleased with Harsin though. It should be fun to see what he can do with that scheme and Texas talent.

But yes, the post you quoted was 100% wrong, and I apologize to the readers of this board for leading them to believe something to be true when it was not. It was not my intention to deceive anyone.
 

[censored] said:
Yeah, ummmmm... what I meant to say was... until the ink is dry, nothing's official.

Dang entrenched Madison-loving daughters and former Pitt coaches that can't not beat a woman.

:mad:

But yes, the post you quoted was 100% wrong, and I apologize to the readers of this board for leading them to believe something to be true when it was not. It was not my intention to deceive anyone.
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I have less of an issue with whether you were right or wrong than I did with letting myself get my hopes up about something that would have likely led to BB being revealed to be the complete buffoon that he is.
 

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