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...is it possible Tyler Martz might reconsider an offer from us?
 

I would think an OL would have to decommit or encouraged to look around (wink, wink) for the Gophers to take another OL.
 

You can now remove the "If" portion of the title of the this thread. Chryst and Bostad are reportedly in the bag. They just have to break the news to their players this morning. Expect something official very soon.

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Kill called Tyler his first day recruiting for MN. He is working hard on this kid.
 

Marz would be a great kid to get. We'd be extremely heavy in offensive line recruits for this year, but that can even out over the years. Kids this big with this much upside don't come around that often.
 


50PoundHead said:
Marz would be a great kid to get. We'd be extremely heavy in offensive line recruits for this year, but that can even out over the years. Kids this big with this much upside don't come around that often.
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Bush mentioned that he would probably be playing TE here. Martz certainly is a physical specimen and taking him away from the badgers would be great.
 


Also, there has been some speculation that the smaller McAvoy (Luke) might be moved to DT.

Regardless, you have to take Marz if you can get him.
 

Interesting if Chryst and the oline coach go. That puts whisky in need of a new DC (dude left for Northern Illinois, kill shot!) and OC, and however many position coaches. Let's see if ButtB can right the ship....

Let me be the first to make some suggestions: Cosgrove, Fisch, Brewster...
 



gophergrad said:
Interesting if Chryst and the oline coach go.
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Like I said before. There's no more need of the use of "if" when talking about Chryst and Bostad to Texas. It's a done deal.

Fangio is supposed to be flying in from Stanford today as well. As bad as the 5-7 season was, I'll trade Greg Davis and Will Muschamp for a Chryst/Bostad and Fangio combination any day.

The time is now for Kill and Minnesota to make a move for Marz. He's probably finding out about the Chryst/Bostad departure from Wisconsin as we type.
 


I won't be "right" until it's officially official, but it sure looks that way.

And check the talk about Fangio. As is turns out, Manny Diaz (DC for Mississippi State) is in Austin this morning. I'd be happy with either Diaz or Fangio. But I'm most excited about getting Chryst and Bostad. Talk about two huge hires to help with Texas' offensive struggles.
 

[censored] said:
I won't be "right" until it's officially official, but it sure looks that way.

And check the talk about Fangio. As is turns out, Manny Diaz (DC for Mississippi State) is in Austin this morning. I'd be happy with either Diaz or Fangio. But I'm most excited about getting Chryst and Bostad. Talk about two huge hires to help with Texas' offensive struggles.
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Not to mention that the real brains behind the Wisconsin juggenaught are leaving. :clap:
 



Just think of all the people that will call for the AD's head when they try to hire someone with Wisconsin ties.
 

[censored] said:
Like I said before. There's no more need of the use of "if" when talking about Chryst and Bostad to Texas. It's a done deal.
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I'm not saying it's not going to happen by any means but I'm having a hard time getting excited about this before I see anything official. This is the latest from ESPN:

>>"Wisconsin offensive coordinator Paul Chryst and Mississippi State defensive coordinator Manny Diaz were both in Austin on Tuesday to interview for the same jobs on Mack Brown's staff, and Bobby Burton of Hookem.com appears to report (the bulk of the item is behind a pay wall) that the duo are expected to be announced as Texas' new coordinators by the end of the week.

Multiple outlets in Texas say that Wisconsin OL coach Bob Bostad is expected to come to Austin with Chryst, but Wisconsin outlets are saying that Bostad does not have an offer yet. (Though if Chryst takes the job, presumably he would extend an offer to Bostad.) Chryst is said to not want to uproot his family, but the lure of a significant raise (he made $360,000 this season and could be in line for a seven-figure payday) may be too much.."<<


If this comes to fruition, make no mistake, this is a huge blow for Wisky. To lose the OC (and O-line coach) and the DC in the span of a few weeks is monumental. Did the DC take any of the defensive staff at Wisky with him to Northern Illinois?

I sure hope you're right...
 

When this happens its won't be the death blow to Wisconsin that many of you are hoping for. Teams at the top level of college football tend to have fairly high turnover at the coordinator positions. Sure it can set them back for a year or two, but they usually rebound nicely. This is especially true for schools who know who they are and what they want to do.
 

Silvio said:
When this happens its won't be the death blow to Wisconsin that many of you are hoping for. Teams at the top level of college football tend to have fairly high turnover at the coordinator positions. Sure it can set them back for a year or two, but they usually rebound nicely. This is especially true for schools who know who they are and what they want to do.
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I agree, Wisconsin can either promote from within or use their contacts to go outside to fill the positions. Bielema has a good and obviously committed resource in Alvarez to help find replacements. As an aside, could Bevell replace Chryst?
 

Silvio said:
When this happens its won't be the death blow to Wisconsin that many of you are hoping for. Teams at the top level of college football tend to have fairly high turnover at the coordinator positions. Sure it can set them back for a year or two, but they usually rebound nicely. This is especially true for schools who know who they are and what they want to do.
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Top level? Wisconsin isn't exactly Alabama, Auburn, Texas or USC or even really Penn State or Ohio State for that matter.

"Death blow" may be a bit extreme, but I disagree this won't have significant impacts, at least initially. This isn't Austin, Columbus, or southern California we're talking about. Wisky had a really nice season but they aren't at the level where an elite coordinator is going to "lateral" into that position to Madison, Wisconsin. If that were the case, why would Chryst take a lateral "OUT" of Madison?

Yes, I would expect them to fill those positions with guys that are capable but from a continuity aspect, there will be some fall off. Either the DC or the OC in one year, along with a position coach or two, would have been much more manageable. Both within a couple of weeks? That could be tough.
 

Ogee Oglethorpe said:
Either the DC or the OC in one year, along with a position coach or two, would have been much more manageable. Both within a couple of weeks? That could be tough.
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Bingo.

You can't rip Brewster endlessly for "constantly" switching coordinators, then get to say "no big deal" if/when Butt loses both in the same offseason. It doesn't work that way.
 

dpodoll68 said:
Bingo.

You can't rip Brewster endlessly for "constantly" switching coordinators, then get to say "no big deal" if/when Butt loses both in the same offseason. It doesn't work that way.
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I agree with you but it should be noted that changing coordinators is not the same as changing systems. The transition would be easier if wi. hires from within but you could still expect some drop-off.
 

Ogee Oglethorpe said:
Top level? Wisconsin isn't exactly Alabama, Auburn, Texas or USC or even really Penn State or Ohio State for that matter.

"Death blow" may be a bit extreme, but I disagree this won't have significant impacts, at least initially. This isn't Austin, Columbus, or southern California we're talking about. Wisky had a really nice season but they aren't at the level where an elite coordinator is going to "lateral" into that position to Madison, Wisconsin. If that were the case, why would Chryst take a lateral "OUT" of Madison?

Yes, I would expect them to fill those positions with guys that are capable but from a continuity aspect, there will be some fall off. Either the DC or the OC in one year, along with a position coach or two, would have been much more manageable. Both within a couple of weeks? That could be tough.
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It will not be smooth, but I tihnk for Wisconsin the bigger challenge will be replacing the departing seniors rather than the coaches.
 

Silvio said:
It will not be smooth, but I tihnk for Wisconsin the bigger challenge will be replacing the departing seniors rather than the coaches.
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yep, this was the year for WI, and congrats to them, they took advantage of it. Now they have a rebuild on hand replacing seniors, those leaving early, and coaches. May not be a long rebuild, but this is probably reality for most B10 schools.
 

Clark W. Griswold said:
I agree with you but it should be noted that changing coordinators is not the same as changing systems. The transition would be easier if wi. hires from within but you could still expect some drop-off.
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You're right, but there are two options with the new hires: they either run the same system or they don't. If they don't, it's obvious there will be some growing pains. If they do, what are the chances they will be immediately as good at their jobs as Chryst, Doeren, Bostad, etc. were after being in the system for 5-6 years? Slim to none. Either way, there has to be a drop-off. There just has to be.
 

dpodoll68 said:
You're right, but there are two options with the new hires: they either run the same system or they don't. If they don't, it's obvious there will be some growing pains. If they do, what are the chances they will be immediately as good at their jobs as Chryst, Doeren, Bostad, etc. were after being in the system for 5-6 years? Slim to none. Either way, there has to be a drop-off. There just has to be.
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I think while their will be a drop-off it will be minimal. To me Wisconsin doesn't try to out scheme their foes with exotic looks etc. They try to out execute the other team rather than rely on some sort of "schematic advantage". Depending on what Clay does they should still have the best running attack in the conference, probably even without clay. Unfortunatley, depending what happens with the OSU five Wisconsin could be the favorite from that division. What luck for them.
 

Ogee Oglethorpe said:
"Death blow" may be a bit extreme, but I disagree this won't have significant impacts, at least initially. This isn't Austin, Columbus, or southern California we're talking about. Wisky had a really nice season but they aren't at the level where an elite coordinator is going to "lateral" into that position to Madison, Wisconsin. If that were the case, why would Chryst take a lateral "OUT" of Madison?
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He would be doubling his salary, especially when you consider the relative tax rates in the two states. Plus, if he wants to eventually be a head coach (you hear both sides of this, but it's an unusual young Coordinator who wouldn't want to be a head coach), UT is definitely a better stepping stone than Wisconsin.

I would like to keep Chryst, but feel he will be leaving within the next few years, anyway. Unless he thinks BB is leaving (doubtful, but there were rumors of Florida), he will have to go elsewhere to get a HC job.
 

Brrew not only changed coordinators, he changed systems which is the killer.
 

Ogee Oglethorpe said:
Top level? Wisconsin isn't exactly Alabama, Auburn, Texas or USC or even really Penn State or Ohio State for that matter.

"Death blow" may be a bit extreme, but I disagree this won't have significant impacts, at least initially. This isn't Austin, Columbus, or southern California we're talking about. Wisky had a really nice season but they aren't at the level where an elite coordinator is going to "lateral" into that position to Madison, Wisconsin. If that were the case, why would Chryst take a lateral "OUT" of Madison?

Yes, I would expect them to fill those positions with guys that are capable but from a continuity aspect, there will be some fall off. Either the DC or the OC in one year, along with a position coach or two, would have been much more manageable. Both within a couple of weeks? That could be tough.
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I agree this will hurt Wisky. I think you can make the argument that Wisconsin is a top level school in CFB. I agree not on a level with Alabama, OSU, Texas, Florida, or USC, they are within the next group in the top 20 programs in the country, at least.
 

ruralgopher said:
yep, this was the year for WI, and congrats to them, they took advantage of it. Now they have a rebuild on hand replacing seniors, those leaving early, and coaches. May not be a long rebuild, but this is probably reality for most B10 schools.
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Agree if Watt leaves too that hurts. But I think 8-9 wins and a Outback/Capitol One bowl game is within reach. Probably will only have to finish 2nd or 3rd in their division to get there.
 


dpodoll68 said:
These two statements are contradictory.
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Ok I will re-word it then, my apologies for that.

Wisconsin is a top 20 college football school. They are not on the level of OSU, Texas, USC, Alabama, or Florida.

I guess it depends what you consider a top level school. I see your point.
 

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