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A stark contrast is developing between the Gophers Men and Women basketball program. Both programs had recent, and necessary, coaching changes. Both teams needed a turnaround. The Men got an inexperienced, never been a head coach deemed to have potential. The Women got a proven, experienced head coach.

The Men have had tough sledding with poor depth as all the players left. Some issues this year due to injury, transfers, and portal activity. They are showing some modest improvement. Having another tough portal year.

The Women had some 1st year tough sledding with no depth as most of the players left, had a few transfers but did not lose anyone significant in the portal. Strong improvement this year until star player injury derailed the 2nd half. This off season has no significant transfers and the portal activity is substantial - multiple P4 players coming in. Depth has improved dramatically.

I see this as the deference between hiring a proven and an unproven coach. I hope Coyle is watching......
 



The girl from Nebraska is a 5th year reserve center who will help.. Woodson is a highly reguarded Freshman with potential but did go scoreless in 18 of the 32 games she played… so let’s wait and see.. they lost Johnson who IMO her strength and athleticism makes her more valuable than Stewart from Nebraska..
 

UST82Gopher said:
A stark contrast is developing between the Gophers Men and Women basketball program. Both programs had recent, and necessary, coaching changes. Both teams needed a turnaround. The Men got an inexperienced, never been a head coach deemed to have potential. The Women got a proven, experienced head coach.

The Men have had tough sledding with poor depth as all the players left. Some issues this year due to injury, transfers, and portal activity. They are showing some modest improvement. Having another tough portal year.

The Women had some 1st year tough sledding with no depth as most of the players left, had a few transfers but did not lose anyone significant in the portal. Strong improvement this year until star player injury derailed the 2nd half. This off season has no significant transfers and the portal activity is substantial - multiple P4 players coming in. Depth has improved dramatically.

I see this as the deference between hiring a proven and an unproven coach. I hope Coyle is watching......
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She's also pulling portal commitments from players from Michigan and Nebraska etc. Kind of upsets the "we suck, we have no NIL, the coach doesn't matter" narrative some are pushing.
 



howeda7 said:
She's also pulling portal commitments from players from Michigan and Nebraska etc. Kind of upsets the "we suck, we have no NIL, the coach doesn't matter" narrative some are pushing.
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I'm sure the backups who combined averaged 5 ppg at a women's program are pulling gigantic NIL deals.
 








UST82Gopher said:
A stark contrast is developing between the Gophers Men and Women basketball program. Both programs had recent, and necessary, coaching changes. Both teams needed a turnaround. The Men got an inexperienced, never been a head coach deemed to have potential. The Women got a proven, experienced head coach.

The Men have had tough sledding with poor depth as all the players left. Some issues this year due to injury, transfers, and portal activity. They are showing some modest improvement. Having another tough portal year.

The Women had some 1st year tough sledding with no depth as most of the players left, had a few transfers but did not lose anyone significant in the portal. Strong improvement this year until star player injury derailed the 2nd half. This off season has no significant transfers and the portal activity is substantial - multiple P4 players coming in. Depth has improved dramatically.

I see this as the deference between hiring a proven and an unproven coach. I hope Coyle is watching......
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Hilarious! You think the AD needs to be reminded to pay attention to his programs?

Comparing these 2 programs, the Men’s program and the Women’s is apples and oranges. Let’s not forget that Lindsey left Coach P with 4 highly touted recruits and that Sara Scalia left for Indiana.

The Ben bashing could at least be put on pause until we see how the upcoming season shakes out….
 





We’ll never know for sure to what extent Ben was Coyle’s guy. Some believe his hand was partially forced by our former president due to what had recently happened with George Floyd.

“OK, but then why not hire a Black coach .. with head coaching experience??”

Yep, you got me there.
 



UST82Gopher said:
A stark contrast is developing between the Gophers Men and Women basketball program. Both programs had recent, and necessary, coaching changes. Both teams needed a turnaround. The Men got an inexperienced, never been a head coach deemed to have potential. The Women got a proven, experienced head coach.

The Men have had tough sledding with poor depth as all the players left. Some issues this year due to injury, transfers, and portal activity. They are showing some modest improvement. Having another tough portal year.

The Women had some 1st year tough sledding with no depth as most of the players left, had a few transfers but did not lose anyone significant in the portal. Strong improvement this year until star player injury derailed the 2nd half. This off season has no significant transfers and the portal activity is substantial - multiple P4 players coming in. Depth has improved dramatically.

I see this as the deference between hiring a proven and an unproven coach. I hope Coyle is watching......
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You associate good-men's-player portal activity with coaching??

I usually don't like to speculate on why people are delusional. But in this case...guys are probably hurt and in denial about college sports being so sleazy. Like I still like the Gophers...but I really have to plug my nose about it. And I can't stand the other teams...I would never watch any other games.
 
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howeda7 said:
She's also pulling portal commitments from players from Michigan and Nebraska etc. Kind of upsets the "we suck, we have no NIL, the coach doesn't matter" narrative some are pushing.
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Or that women players don't demand $500K+ per year. That might have something to do with it.
 

UST82Gopher said:
A stark contrast is developing between the Gophers Men and Women basketball program. Both programs had recent, and necessary, coaching changes. Both teams needed a turnaround. The Men got an inexperienced, never been a head coach deemed to have potential. The Women got a proven, experienced head coach.

The Men have had tough sledding with poor depth as all the players left. Some issues this year due to injury, transfers, and portal activity. They are showing some modest improvement. Having another tough portal year.

The Women had some 1st year tough sledding with no depth as most of the players left, had a few transfers but did not lose anyone significant in the portal. Strong improvement this year until star player injury derailed the 2nd half. This off season has no significant transfers and the portal activity is substantial - multiple P4 players coming in. Depth has improved dramatically.

I see this as the deference between hiring a proven and an unproven coach. I hope Coyle is watching......
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your comparing apples and rocks. not even close to the same
 


The women’s team had a historically bad stretch this year. They barely had a winning record even after the “tournament” run. I don’t know how anyone can start this thread with a straight face.
 


TwistingMyMelon said:
I thought the same thing for a different reason. How could anyone start a new thread about something that has been argued continuously for the last three years and then tried to make it sound like an important new insight?
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Redundant threads are common around here. Never really understood why some posters don't look at the active threads before starting a new one sometimes.
 


I would say the more fair comparison is between Johnson and Whalen.

Johnson was/is a 1st-time D1 head coach. Whalen was a 1st-time D1 Head Coach. (Both hired by Coyle). Whalen coached 5 seasons at MN - 1 season shortened by covid - and was fired (or agreed to resign, depending on who you believe.) Whalen was replaced by someone with quite a bit of head-coaching experience.

Ben Johnson has coached three seasons at MN. If/when he is replaced, I would say the odds are pretty good that the new coach will have more head-coaching experience.

the point is that the Women's program has already replaced an inexperienced coach with an experienced coach. the Men's program is a step behind in the process - therefore not an apples-to-apples comparison.
 

Dave H said:
If you hate the thread so much why are you posting in it? Is there a gun to your head making you read it? You can just skip it.
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The whole purpose of Gopherhole is to complain, release some anxiety and tension even if your logic is puzzling.
And, of course there is the other group who feels obligated to blindly defend and champion our coaches no matter the reality.
And then there are the people who just always know better.
Free entertainment on a glitchy site...who has it better?
 

short ornery norwegian said:
the point is that the Women's program has already replaced an inexperienced coach with an experienced coach. the Men's program is a step behind in the process - therefore not an apples-to-apples comparison.
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Well why replace Johnson now that he has experience and the team is improving rapidly?

Unless you have a homerun-hire / big-fundraiser lined up.
 
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EasyThere Pilgrim said:
Well why replace Johnson now that he has experience and the team is improving rapidly?

Unless you have a homerun-hire / big-fundraiser lined up.
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If Whalen is the baseline…he’s got two more years to have a good year.
 

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