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You know, the world is full of negative people.

Okay, so the Gophers aren't having such a great season, but that's no reason to boo and say bad things about them.

You know, I don't know where I heard it, but I thought you were supposed to root, root, root for the home team.

So the next time you're at the Bank, if you can't yell something nice, don't yell anything at all.

This has been just one guy's opinion.
 

MNVCGUY said:
You know full well though that there are a number of posters on this board that view any sort of criticism as a sky is falling meltdown. I guarantee the coaches are thrilled we won but very disappointed in the way the offense played on Saturday, not sure why fans are not allowed to feel the same way. You always have extremes on both sides but there are way too many posters that get bent out of shape anytime someone has anything even slightly negative to say about players or the program after a game.
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Exactly, Jerry is probably going to spend the better part of the week tearing the offense apart yet we're suppose to kiss his feet, appreciate everything he and his staff do for us and create a Paterno complex around him? No other coach has had the a portion of the masses so mesmerized, we are sitting here at Mason level and you would've thought Bear Bryant was walking the halls of Nagurski.
 

Ole said:
I think it's a underrepresented part of this game. For all the bad plays, bad throws, bad blocks, bad gameplans, and bad execution of said bad gameplans, this team and the coaches found a way to win.
I went down and congratulated the players after the game, the whole team rounded the stadium to give out high fives and thank the fans for coming.
Included in this were a very glossy eyed Lingen, a beet red faced and disheveled Leidner, a green shoulder helmet painted Richardson, a super pumped up defense, and a very gracious and humble coach kill. Those guys fought through all the crap and awfulness to win in the end.
Every game will not play out like this one. Gameplans will be better, passing will be up and down, players will get healthy or injured. However, the gut check they took and overcame yesterday shouldn't be discounted or diminished, and the character the show every day is something that needs to count too.
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This +1000. The coaches & players found a way to win on the road against a quality opponent when many things weren't clicking. I'm more encouraged by the resolve than I am discouraged by the inconsistency.
 

GopherWeatherGuy said:
You outlined the very problem right now with your second sentence. The coaching staff has had 4 years of Leidner to change this. No one doubts that the coaching staff can turn around a program or that the players are playing their hearts out. The QB and WRs in this offense have not improved in 5 years under this coaching staff. That is a problem they need to correct.
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Really? So, Leidner is no better than he was 2 years ago? Wolitarsky, Maye are no better? Maxx Williams never improved (I guess people forget we lost him to the NFL after only 2 years)? We are completely healthy at TE and WR, so there is no reason for the struggles?
 

One take away that I will have from this game is that Kill and Staff definitely have faith in their entire squad. Seeing Nick Hart get two critical targets in this game, almost catching a touchdown, and converting a critical late 4th down. That's amazing considering he was option #3 or #4 at TE coming into this game and option #5 or #6 before injuries took out a few guys. Given our struggles at WR we really need someone at TE to step up. Nobody expects another Maxx, but we need catches from this position not just blocks.
 


goldengophers said:
Exactly, Jerry is probably going to spend the better part of the week tearing the offense apart yet we're suppose to kiss his feet, appreciate everything he and his staff do for us and create a Paterno complex around him? No other coach has had the a portion of the masses so mesmerized, we are sitting here at Mason level and you would've thought Bear Bryant was walking the halls of Bierman.
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Oh for Christ sakes, very few are mesmerized or want to erect a statue. It's the bashing of a college player; the dumb ass suggestions like we need to replace Limegrover with Mason; the predictions that the Gophers won't win a BIG game this season; and the people that post on the board only to whine and bitch that gets people "bent out of shape." It's not the "slightly negative" stuff, but use hyperbole and exaggeration to defend those who are acting like they've been personally violated.

Ya, the offense was awful for much of Saturday, and I'll bet those of us who "kiss his feet" swore as much as anybody when Mitch missed that short, wide open pass or Limegrover kept trying to pound the ball. Difference is, we know enough to realize it ain't always pretty but they found a way to win; that this stuff knows what it's doing; and that it's all of two games into the season so maybe being patient instead of throwing hissy fits is better.
 

goldy93 said:
Really? So, Leidner is no better than he was 2 years ago? Wolitarsky, Maye are no better? Maxx Williams never improved (I guess people forget we lost him to the NFL after only 2 years)? We are completely healthy at TE and WR, so there is no reason for the struggles?
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No Leidner has not improved through the first two games of this year. I'm not necessarily talking about individual players, but the position groups and the offense as a whole. Brewster didn't have a NFL WR and TE??
 

GopherWeatherGuy said:
No Leidner has not improved through the first two games of this year. I'm not necessarily talking about individual players, but the position groups and the offense as a whole. Brewster didn't have a NFL WR and TE??
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We just played 2 teams that are better than most (in case of TCU, all) teams in the B1G West and one of those games was on the road. Did people expect us to light it up against 2 solid defenses? It is not like we lost to Toledo at home.
 

GopherWeatherGuy said:
No Leidner has not improved through the first two games of this year. I'm not necessarily talking about individual players, but the position groups and the offense as a whole. Brewster didn't have a NFL WR and TE??
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Go watch the TCU game from last year again and then watch this year's game against TCU. He's gotten better. Not what we all had hoped for but he is better.
 



GophersInIowa said:
Go watch the TCU game from last year again and then watch this year's game against TCU. He's gotten better. Not what we all had hoped for but he is better.
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TCU was missing how many players off of last year's D? I'm also not sold CSU is more than a 6 win team this year.

I'm not trying to pile on Leidner, I was as hopeful as anyone for him this year. The fact that he still can't throw short passes is very disheartening to me.
 

GopherWeatherGuy said:
TCU was missing how many players off of last year's D? I'm also not sold CSU is more than a 6 win team this year.

I'm not trying to pile on Leidner, I was as hopeful as anyone for him this year. The fact that he still can't throw short passes is very disheartening to me.
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I still think he is better. Not good, but better. We'll see though.

He did struggle early last year against bad defenses (Eastern Illinois and Middle TN St.). We'll see what happens the next two weeks I guess.
 

I think Leidner is better this year as well. At times vs CSU he made some very good throws. I think he still struggles if the opponent negates our running game (like CSU did in the first half). Of the ~45 passes he threw on Saturday, I am going to estimate that ~5 were poor throws and none of them were to a defender.
 

goldy93 said:
We just played 2 teams that are better than most (in case of TCU, all) teams in the B1G West[/B] and one of those games was on the road. Did people expect us to light it up against 2 solid defenses? It is not like we lost to Toledo at home.
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Colorado St is not better than most if any teams in the B1G West.
 



Not a coaching staff I would rather have at Minnesota. Just don't agree with sticking with a TE and QB. Or having RB/HB as your backup strevler. Our 3a 3b guys are QB. So give them some plays now not next year. NOW
 

Friend of the U said:
I have noticed all of the complaining that takes place on this board and I'm not saying that we don't have room for improvement. But I see a QB that has been converted from a TE playing his heart out and trying his very best. There are players playing through injuries such as KJ Maye and many of the DBs and OL. I have never witnessed one player loafing and not giving it their all. IMHO we have one of the best coaching staffs that we have had here in Minnesota in a long long time. It's gotten so bad that we have a thread devoted to bashing our QB who is giving it his all. IMHO this thread should be removed. We have one sports writer "who doesn't have a clue" calling for us to throw a true freshman that needs to develop into his role into the lion's den.

I know this is not going to be popular but how many of you have tried playing through an injury? How many of you have been put in as QB when the position you were recruited to play was not QB? How many of you have set in front of game film night after night trying to develop a successful game plan around injuries and other factors unknown to the general fan? I know that this is not going to be received well be some and I will be ridiculed for this post but I for one want to express my thanks to the coaches, staff and players for their efforts and the grit they showed in an adverse environment which I believe will prove out to be a very good Colorado State football team.
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Right there with 'ya.

Good to have the squawking after a win though...

Discussing the matters on Gopherhole where there are many knowledgeable, long times members and fans of the program beats the hell our of trying to make a point in the commentary board on the Star Tribune....
 


GhostofBronko said:
2014 QBR - 59.7
2015 QBR - 28.4
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Where is that from?
I've never seen a quarterback rating I understand or can easily compare apples to apples in college football. Numbers are numbers. Who's to say that Army's Qb has the same responsibilities as washington state's.
2014-QBIRS$%KL22fortyI-147.90
2015-QBIRS$%KL22fortyI-164.30
:rolleyes:
 

Thanks for posting. I'm not gonna bitch one bit after what they did in the final few minutes and overtime to win that game. Appreciate the gutty, tough performance and the fact they WON the game! They won! Take the win and move forward. It's a hell of a difficult way to start the season, TCU and at CSU. They easily could have lost, but they didn't.


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scools12 said:
Colorado St is not better than most if any teams in the B1G West.
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Maybe, maybe not. I do not see much separation. How about Purdue? Illinois? Iowa? NU? My guess is that CSU would beat many of those teams in its own house.
 

Ole said:
Where is that from?
I've never seen a quarterback rating I understand or can easily compare apples to apples in college football. Numbers are numbers. Who's to say that Army's Qb has the same responsibilities as washington state's.
2014-QBIRS$%KL22fortyI-147.90
2015-QBIRS$%KL22fortyI-164.30
:rolleyes:
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ESPN

QBR Explained
 


Mulligan said:
Oh for Christ sakes, very few are mesmerized or want to erect a statue. It's the bashing of a college player; the dumb ass suggestions like we need to replace Limegrover with Mason; the predictions that the Gophers won't win a BIG game this season; and the people that post on the board only to whine and bitch that gets people "bent out of shape." It's not the "slightly negative" stuff, but use hyperbole and exaggeration to defend those who are acting like they've been personally violated.

Ya, the offense was awful for much of Saturday, and I'll bet those of us who "kiss his feet" swore as much as anybody when Mitch missed that short, wide open pass or Limegrover kept trying to pound the ball. Difference is, we know enough to realize it ain't always pretty but they found a way to win; that this stuff knows what it's doing; and that it's all of two games into the season so maybe being patient instead of throwing hissy fits is better.
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+1 Thank you for being the voice of reason!
 

It's really a matter of tone. I maintain there is a big difference between
- Leidner did not play well on Saturday, and needs to improve.........
and
Leidner couldn't play at a D-2 school. there are HS kids would could do a better job at QB.

Both statements are expressing roughly the same sentiment - but one is more measured, and the other is the type of rant that some of us don't like.

yes, this is a message board, and everyone should be free to express opinions. Let's just try to disagree in a civil fashion. Again, big difference between:
"I don't agree with you,"............. and .........."You're an idiot."
 

The only complaint I've ever had about Kill is his inability to develop a QB here. It's the only thing holding us back. I think he'll get it figured out though.


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Ole said:
Just read through that. Sorry that is an awful way to "rank" QB play.
Basically it gives credit or takes it away based on some ESPN video nerd's opinion on what was supposed to happen on a particular play.
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Yeah, that's not what it does.

Simply put, it weights the stats in favor of plays that have a meaningful outcome for the game and discounts plays that don't (i.e. garbage time). It has nothing to do with anyone's "opinion on what was supposed to happen." Strictly speaking, it doesn't measure how good a passer your QB is, but how much your QB contributed to a win through his passing. The stat is highly correlated to winning percentage, much more so than the traditional passer efficiency rating. It makes sense if you think about it, but if your system is working for you, then don't worry your pretty little head.

The NFL version is more carefully analyzed, and attempts to apportion credit for a pass play between QB, the OL and the receiver. They only do that for college after the season because of the manpower required.
 

Strictly speaking, it doesn't measure how good a passer your QB is, but how much your QB contributed to a win through his passing.

So if Mitch doesn't throw the ball 45 times a game his rating goes up?
 

short ornery norwegian said:
It's really a matter of tone. I maintain there is a big difference between
- Leidner did not play well on Saturday, and needs to improve.........
and
Leidner couldn't play at a D-2 school. there are HS kids would could do a better job at QB.

Both statements are expressing roughly the same sentiment - but one is more measured, and the other is the type of rant that some of us don't like.

yes, this is a message board, and everyone should be free to express opinions. Let's just try to disagree in a civil fashion. Again, big difference between:
"I don't agree with you,"............. and .........."You're an idiot."
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You definitely hit the mark Shorty with your posting.:clap:
 

So, how about a "quarterback coach rating?" Or how about an offensive line coach rating? Or maybe a wide receiver coach/recruiting ranking?
So many of these things impact and affect the qb performance. And how well are the quarterback's coaches doing with game planning, development of players, teaching, motivating and everything else?

Finally, how about a quarterback's FANS rating? Or a quarterback's bashing by fans rating?

There are just SO many ways to look at this...evaluate this...and there are SO many places, people and things to point that nasty finger of blame at.. Now that I think about it: I'd have to say that you, me, Mitch, Jerry, EVERYBODY has some blame in this situation. Maybe we ALL just have to do our best...play through our rough edges...find ways to win ugly if needed and be VERY grateful for EVERY win! And, maybe none of this is as simple as it may seem.

I say let's dance with the one we "brung" to the dance. I think Mitch gives the Gopher the best chance to defend the defence and beat the teams the Gopher should beat and win some games the Gopher maybe shouldn't have any business winning. What the hey:
shake it off...shake it off...
 

GhostofBronko said:
2014 QBR - 59.7
2015 QBR - 28.4
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It's an okay stat to use but it certainly has its flaws. His raw QBR from last year's game against Wisconsin where he went 5 of 18 was 55.2. His QBR against TCU this year was 18.5. That is ridiculous.

Also, my guess is that his lack of rushing yards, attempts, and TDs this year has affected this as well.
 

killme said:
Can't speak for the OP, but from my perspective it's about trust and loyalty, mostly. Pompous Elitist would have us believe that just because someone played catch in their back yard, they know as much as our coaches. And, you trying to justify bad behavior by saying other teams' fans are worse is a big part of what's wrong with our declining society. Right and wrong are still right and wrong.
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Okay Coach. Just to set the record straight on backyard football, some of the most fiercely played games happen with no pads between friends. And, the play calling is as creative as any ever chalked. So, before you cut down the truest amateurs out there...
 

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