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I don't know firsthand, but I have heard that the Hutchinson football program has a strong bias against the U and in favor of the Nebraska Cornlovers. Recruiting history seems to confirm this.

I am told that the Hutch coaches advise their kids to avoid the U; that Minnesota is where football players go to get screwed.

Does anyone know about this?
 

damn, so the once a decade when that town kicks out someone worthy of a D1 scholarship we won't have a chance?
 


I believe it is because of how Lyndon Murtha's visit went, strip club and all. My sources told me it was Murtha that wanted to go and when it came out, he and his family got pissed. Anyway, who cares about Hutch anyways. If their coaching staff is that bitter, then screw them.
 



Brick House said:
I believe it is because of how Lyndon Murtha's visit went, strip club and all. My sources told me it was Murtha that wanted to go and when it came out, he and his family got pissed. Anyway, who cares about Hutch anyways. If their coaching staff is that bitter, then screw them.
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I don't know anything about this. But I know the attitude predates Murtha.
 


Other than C-DH...

KingKong'sbrother said:
It's not just hutchison.
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Anybody who matters?
Honestly, there are D.B.'s in any profession, why would anybody be surprised?
These are guys who mostly in it to teach and help young men better themselves. The idea that someone goes Craig T. Nelson on it, doesn't stun me. There are bad eggs everywhere.
 

Who cares?

Hutchinson football is about as relevant as Fridley or Brooklyn Center football(there best players all go to TG) these day's when it come's to producing D1 talent. Nobody outside of Hutch cares about there football program anymore.
 



Many hs coaches don't like the U because they get offended that they treat there best players like the sisters of the poor. When a HS coach tells the U that hey "I got this kid that has D1 talent" and the U of M consistently take the sisters of the poor from down south that rarely turn into anything, I would pretty offended myself. Then when that same HS coach gets a no brainer recruit, the come knocking and there is no affinity what so ever.

Perfect Example, taking the olineman commit from Florida over a home state like Joe Bjorkland from rosemount.
 

I would be willing to bet the U is the bottom in the country in terms of relationships and respect with there in state high school football programs.
 

KingKong'sbrother said:
Many hs coaches don't like the U because they get offended that they treat there best players like the sisters of the poor. When a HS coach tells the U that hey "I got this kid that has D1 talent" and the U of M consistently take the sisters of the poor from down south that rarely turn into anything, I would pretty offended myself. Then when that same HS coach gets a no brainer recruit, the come knocking and there is no affinity what so ever.

Perfect Example, taking the olineman commit from Florida over a home state like Joe Bjorkland from rosemount.
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But Bjorkland is not getting BSC offers. So you want the U to take inferior kids just to please a HS coach that may produce D1 players a few times a decade. Some of these coaches need to check their ego at the door. I guess they feel that they are producing talent and that they need a pat on the back to validate them. I am sure this happens in every state as the U has had a lot of players from Arrowhead HS in Wis.
 

If your going to deny the mn kids you better at least beat them on the field. This is why the U of M looks like such a second rate program.
 



Are people seriously this mad that we didn't take Bjorklund when we have so many OL players?
 

KingKong'sbrother said:
Many hs coaches don't like the U because they get offended that they treat there best players like the sisters of the poor. When a HS coach tells the U that hey "I got this kid that has D1 talent" and the U of M consistently take the sisters of the poor from down south that rarely turn into anything, I would pretty offended myself. Then when that same HS coach gets a no brainer recruit, the come knocking and there is no affinity what so ever.

Perfect Example, taking the olineman commit from Florida over a home state like Joe Bjorkland from rosemount.
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This is spot on. We say we want to develop relationships with places like Florida at the expense of reconnecting to our great state. This is how absurd and backwards our recruiting has been over the last several decades. We produce more D1 talent than is currently assumed. It is statistically impossible not to produce less than 10 and is more likely 12 -15 each year, if not more! The problem with this is entrance requirements are getting more difficult to reach and not all of these players will qualify. However, we have somehow allowed less than qualified athletes in from Florida and Texas and that does not seem to bother the administration. There appears to be a double standard for our in state athletes. That needs to be rectified. Maybe this is just a perception of mine, but it seems coaches have been more willing to push for the entrance of out of state recruits than local recruits.
 

I think Brewster attempted to correct this relationship "problem" whether real or perceived and then did not do a good job of following up on the connections. Lets give Coach Kill and his staff the benefit of the doubt before we condemn them to make the same errors again. It is quite possible that Coach Kill will be the kind of guy/coach that will relate to the high school coaches and make them feel better about themselves.
 


My point is we've been going after the second rate kids from texas florida for how long and they rarely pan out or make us a good football team. Why not take our top mn kids. Why not? There less developed. They typically go some where else and beat us or compete with us. On top of that, they don't have the pride for Minnesota like an MN kid does. Some people say if Tom Olson didn't commit to MN he'd have all these offers, I don't believe that for a second. His dad and brother helps this a lot. If Bjorklands Dad and brother were already apart of the U, Bjorkland would have been offered when Tom Olson was offered. Watch there damn films, there is not much difference and Bjorkland plays much better competition.
 

I agree gopher1more. I think Kill might be the perfect guy to see this issue and correct it.
 

I don't think you should let local high school coaches dictate who and how you recruit. I wonder how many high school coaches in the state think they have a hidden gem on their team that deserves a full ride to the U.
 

KingKong'sbrother said:
My point is we've been going after the second rate kids from texas florida for how long and they rarely pan out or make us a good football team. Why not take our top mn kids. Why not? There less developed. They typically go some where else and beat us or compete with us. On top of that, they don't have the pride for Minnesota like an MN kid does. Some people say if Tom Olson didn't commit to MN he'd have all these offers, I don't believe that for a second. His dad and brother helps this a lot. If Bjorklands Dad and brother were already apart of the U, Bjorkland would have been offered when Tom Olson was offered. Watch there damn films, there is not much difference and Bjorkland plays much better competition.
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So you think Bjorklund is better than Tommy Olson?

I really don't get the point you are trying to make. First, you are arguing that Tommy OLson isn't the stud (wouldn't get other offers) because he doesn't have any other offers. Then you argue that U should have taken Bjorklund over the Florida kid (Haughten-James) who has gotten other BCS offers? By your theory, wouldn't Haughten-James be better than Olson AND Bjorklund based on quality of offers? He got offered here without having any connection to the U that I know of.

In almost everyone's eyes, Haughten-James is considered a better prospect than Bjorklund. If you are going to be annoyed by anyone, be annoyed by Foster Bush (who had a similar list of offers to Bjorklund).


To the original point, I have no idea with Hutch. I will say that the U's relationship with Cretin is much improved. Their relationship was absolutely in the garbage in the Mason years. Mason repeatidly blew off coaches opinions (situations where the coach would call and say, "hey, so and so is a kid you might want to look at in a walk on type role or whatever". Supposedly, in the Mason years, that fell on deaf ears. The last fews, even when the kids weren't offerred (Marcus Binns, and more), the U at least took the consideration and evaluated. The relationship improved significantly just because they were given respect. Notre Dame is always going to be a pipeline to Notre Dame, it's simply in the DNA of the kids. Cretin kids, in general, end up at private catholic schools on regular basis (St. Thomas, St. Johns etc.) and if they are good enough Notre Dame. That will never change. However, since Joe Schafer, the U hasn't lost a single Cretin kid to Sconny or Iowa. Furthermore, the U was put into the final 5 of Michael Floyd and Henderson (Floyd's was more ceremonial, he was always going to Notre Dame, but Henderson did genuinely consider the U) because an improved relationship between the U and Cretin. In previous years, guys like Ryan Harris, R. Powers-Neal, and countless others, didn't even give the U the time of day. Heck, even Joe Mauer didn't give his ceremonial letter of intent to the U (like Lebron committed to Akron).
 

ludlaw - I'm saying the typical coaching staff the U has never takes a consistent approach. Bjorkland should be viewed as a kid that needs to stay home. Offers or not this is an MN kid that needs to be here. that is my point
 

Hutch football is nowhere near what it used to be, that's for sure. But it's funny seeing how bitter people seem to be towards that town's program. I guess that is what 37 winning seasons in a row (streak ended this year, I believe) will do.
 

And GSL's program would be nowhere near what it is today without Hutchinson - if you don't believe that, ask their head coach.
 

KingKong'sbrother said:
ludlaw - I'm saying the typical coaching staff the U has never takes a consistent approach. Bjorkland should be viewed as a kid that needs to stay home. Offers or not this is an MN kid that needs to be here. that is my point
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And your expertise in evaluating talent over Jerry Kill and staff on Bjorklund? on Olsen? Every service, and HS coache I've talked with, think the world of Olsen.

Bjorklund has no other decent offers. Why take a flier on him if you have what you believe are better players?

The problem in the past was that Mason's staff didn't give coaches an ear and give their kids a look. Brewster's staff gave an ear but didn't follow through. Most HS coaches, if they feel heard and think their kid gets an honest eval, accept no offer. The problem is when suggestions fall on deaf ears and they don't get any kind of look.

For example, Bjorklund may be a decent player, there just isn't room. If he ends up at a MAC school you know it's not a no-brainer that he should be at the U. Give the staff some time.
 

Kill is already on it as far as I understand. One of his first statements was about letting MN talent get away. Even Brew worked really hard to repair the breach there. I honestly do not know anything about Bjorklund, but kinda got to see how this all works out. It may well be that Bjorklund is a legend on this board, but Olson has the ratings. Maybe Kill and his staff are working on him or just maybe there are a few things this board is not privy to...no idea.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
So you think Bjorklund is better than Tommy Olson?

I really don't get the point you are trying to make. First, you are arguing that Tommy OLson isn't the stud (wouldn't get other offers) because he doesn't have any other offers. Then you argue that U should have taken Bjorklund over the Florida kid (Haughten-James) who has gotten other BCS offers? By your theory, wouldn't Haughten-James be better than Olson AND Bjorklund based on quality of offers? He got offered here without having any connection to the U that I know of.

In almost everyone's eyes, Haughten-James is considered a better prospect than Bjorklund. If you are going to be annoyed by anyone, be annoyed by Foster Bush (who had a similar list of offers to Bjorklund).


To the original point, I have no idea with Hutch. I will say that the U's relationship with Cretin is much improved. Their relationship was absolutely in the garbage in the Mason years. Mason repeatidly blew off coaches opinions (situations where the coach would call and say, "hey, so and so is a kid you might want to look at in a walk on type role or whatever". Supposedly, in the Mason years, that fell on deaf ears. The last fews, even when the kids weren't offerred (Marcus Binns, and more), the U at least took the consideration and evaluated. The relationship improved significantly just because they were given respect. Notre Dame is always going to be a pipeline to Notre Dame, it's simply in the DNA of the kids. Cretin kids, in general, end up at private catholic schools on regular basis (St. Thomas, St. Johns etc.) and if they are good enough Notre Dame. That will never change. However, since Joe Schafer, the U hasn't lost a single Cretin kid to Sconny or Iowa. Furthermore, the U was put into the final 5 of Michael Floyd and Henderson (Floyd's was more ceremonial, he was always going to Notre Dame, but Henderson did genuinely consider the U) because an improved relationship between the U and Cretin. In previous years, guys like Ryan Harris, R. Powers-Neal, and countless others, didn't even give the U the time of day. Heck, even Joe Mauer didn't give his ceremonial letter of intent to the U (like Lebron committed to Akron).
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What the coaches need to do is if a HS coach calls about a player, look at the available info and if they are not interested, give a legit reason why. I can appreciate the U coaches not wanted to give out scholies to satisfy a HS coaches pride, and they have limited scholies. At the same time, a legit explanation does help some.
 

Ozzy&Ray, I don't disagree with the fact that the coaches think the world of Tommy Olson, but if he didn't have a Dad and an older Bro already playing D1, I bet he would face similar questions Bjorkland faces. At the same time if the recrutiing services thought the world like he was "that good" he wouldn't be a 3* on rivals or a low 4 star on Espn. You can talk about Tom Olson, but it's much easier when yr apart of somthing already branded such as the "Olson" name.

You have BJorkland playing in a top conference against the best talent in the state and he's dominanting and the cornerstone of a prolific HS offense. You have a college team that typically sucks and makes mistakes on this front time and again.

Are you struggling with my opinion that I think Bjorklund should have a full ride from the U? I'm not downing the coaching staff bonehead.
 

calminnfan said:
What the coaches need to do is if a HS coach calls about a player, look at the available info and if they are not interested, give a legit reason why. I can appreciate the U coaches not wanted to give out scholies to satisfy a HS coaches pride, and they have limited scholies. At the same time, a legit explanation does help some.
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That's exactly it and the only thing these HS coaches seek. I know that the Cretin coaches respect the U's judgment on which players should get offered scholarships and everything, I think they just would have appreciated if the Mason staff had taken a peak at the kids available info and whatever. I know the Cretin staff wasn't at all annoyed or anything that the U wasn't interested in Marcus Binns.

At the same time, the U was pretty unaware of Zach Mottla until the Cretin coaches expressed that they thought he could play Division 1 college football under the right circumstances, Brew agreed and offered him a preferred walk on. Zach Mottla will be fighting for PT next season as a SO.

It comes down to giving these programs (who have a good idea what a Division 1 athlete looks like) the respect when they say "hey, take a look at this kid". Offering a scholarship isn't what those coaches are seeking.
 

I for one think he should defintely have an offer, but that is not Kill's problem, it is Brewster's problem. The spot that should have been Bjorklund's went to Foster, a kid Kill was recruiting for over a year and sees something in.

There is still time for Bjorklund to get an offer, I believe the U staff is probably still in the process of getting to know him and in the end if there isn't a spot that is filled by a position in need, he will be offered.
 

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