How much we miss Nolen.

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minngg said:
Um, you are forgetting the Big Ten Tournament. We won 3 games including MSU (a final four team), Purdue (a sweet 16 team). When you add the 3-1 Big Ten Tourney record, we were 12-10 without Nolen and won some very huge games.

Looking at a few NC games to determine the worth of a p[layer. Especially one that hadn't played for the whole off-season and then a suspension is short-sighted at best.
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Devoe Joseph played what were in all likelihood the three best games of his basketball career during that three game stretch.
 


Swede said:
Do you know for certain that neither Cobbs's nor Joseph's departure were not Tubby related? And Al's injury isn't Tubby's fault, but not having another capable backup, even when Cobbs and Joseph were around, and Al's heavy minutes may have contributed to a Al's stress fracture.
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Yeah, we should probably just get 13 scholarship point guards just in case. And a walk-on...
 

bga1 said:
Nolen was an academic casualty last year and was no certainty to last through this year academically.
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The handling of Al Nolen's academics has always bothered me. Tubby floated the line that Al was battling supposed (and heretofore undisclosed) family problems first semester and attempted to get an academic waiver for him. What bothered me was that we were playing our usual cupcake OOC and Al's family problems and academics should have been a close 1/2, and basketball 3. I suspect if Al would have sat first semester or practiced minimally while playing games, that Tubby was concerned he wouldn't get his 20 wins without the OOC schedule. If these problems weren't true, shame on Tubby for floating the line.
 





Now I'll correct you...

Really? Al couldn't get to the rim? Yeah, he couldn't finish, but he could get there as easily at most BT pgs. He wasn't great at feeding the post from the perimeter but he certainly gave us easy buckets downlow.

"Many" 5+ TO games? Really? At least sound like you know what you're talking about. He's had 3, and 2 came as a freshman.

Wow. We didn't have a "dunk-fest" with Al in the lineup? Check again.

Al frequently made plays when we needed them. I'm not sure whoever claimed he was clutch or that we went to him for a bucket at the end of a game.

dboy said:
you are dreaming.

Al could play D.
Al could shoot FT's

Al could NOT shoot from the field, get to the rim, feed the low block,
Al was a good, not great ballhandler... there were many games he had 5+ TO's, many unforced.
Al was not a setup guy.. he had two of the highest flyers in college hoops on either wing.. if he was a good setup man, it would have been a dunk-fest.

it was Westbrook who we went to for a clutch shot the past few years... never Al.
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Friend Of Tubby said:
No - it means "and others" like Butler (NC runner-up last year), Tex A&M and various ACC teams.
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Tubby is 17-35 against Top 50 teams. 5-8 last year with 4 of the wins without Nolen. Our SOS is usually in the bottom third of Big Ten teams.
 


GophersInIowa said:
There are people on the other side of this too trying to blame everything on Tubby. He deserves criticism but not everything is his fault.
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Seriously. I can't for the life of me figure out why people have to find ONE source to put blame on for EVERYTHING that has occurred with this program the last couple seasons. It's asinine to think Tubby is the one figure at fault for the problems with this team right now, and it's also ridiculous to think Tubby isn't at fault at all. Reason, as usual, lies in the middle.
 

Monty519 said:
Seriously. I can't for the life of me figure out why people have to find ONE source to put blame on for EVERYTHING that has occurred with this program the last couple seasons. It's asinine to think Tubby is the one figure at fault for the problems with this team right now, and it's also ridiculous to think Tubby isn't at fault at all. Reason, as usual, lies in the middle.
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Of course Tubby is not totally at fault. Tubby has been and remains a good coach. He is having a bad year. For three years Tubby has taken all the praise for unspectacular but decent teams. Overall a pretty good remodeling job of a program in the tank. He's had some really good luck getting into the NCAAs twice with 9-9 records and from the bubble. Now he's had some bad luck and has not been able to adjust.

Unfortunately he is allowing blame on everyone but himself. His systems are of 30 year vintage, time proven and crafted. Never to change. It's this inflexibility that is alarming for the future.
 



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