Ok, we are at 5-5 and most of us thought this would be like the first 2 CBJ years.
So how many more wins gets Ben off your hook?
+10 would be a 15-5 conference season!When his overall record is .500 he is no longer a disaster. This is a baseline achieved by all men's coaches who coached for more than 1 year since Carl Nordly in 1943-1944.
So +10 from today.
Shoot me for generalizing!Did you actually poll to come to this conclusion? I know I didn't feel that way and quite a few others around here didn't either. I think the majority of posters here thought this season would be better than last year to some degree. The disagreement was about how much better.
As far as your question, the answer depends upon who you ask. To some, Ben Johnson was, is, and always will be a disaster.
I didn't say it had to be this year. I assume he'll get another year to prove he's not the worst coach since the 40s.+10 would be a 15-5 conference season!
Which would be a pretty amazing record!
We haven't gone even .500 in the league since 2016-17, when we went 11-7 under Pitino.
Before that- Tubby went 9-9 in 2009-10.
Point being, we aren't exactly in a position to scoff at a .500 Big Ten record, regardless if people want to say the league is relatively weak this year.
Look at Musselman- He will be sub .500 3 out of 5 years in the SEC and people think he's amazing. He has finished in the bottom half of the league more than the top half. BUT he has had 3 nice tournament runs. Hovering around .500 should be the goal with nice tournament runs at times. 1 significant season per 5 is pretty good.We haven't gone even .500 in the league since 2016-17, when we went 11-7 under Pitino.
Before that- Tubby went 9-9 in 2009-10.
Point being, we aren't exactly in a position to scoff at a .500 Big Ten record, regardless if people want to say the league is relatively weak this year.
That's not a good approach. With each progress point reached - give credit. As long as the progress continues- then keep doing it. This particular season, while bumpy is not at the present time a disaster. Hypothetically in your view, if he goes 12-8 he would still be a disaster. For a coach and team that was predicted by nearly everyone to finish last- that's a borderline coach of the year performance.When his overall record is .500 he is no longer a disaster. This is a baseline achieved by all men's coaches who coached for more than 1 year since Carl Nordly in 1943-1944.
So +10 from today.
I think you’re unfairly comparing eras. Until recently the NIT was almost exclusively about the ability to sell tickets. Big schools with big arenas had a big advantage. That isn’t there anymore so to make that comparison is apples to oranges.He needs to make a postseason tournament.
The last coach to coach at least 3 seasons and not make at minimum the NIT once in those 3 years was John Kundla in the 1961-62 season. Even Dan Monson went to the NIT in years 2, 3, and 4.
If Ben fails to make the NIT this year, he is still a disaster.
If he gets a 4th season and fails to make the NCAA tournament next year, he will also still be a disaster, and go down as the worst coach in MN basketball history.
That's not a good metric- it was way easier to make the NIT in Monson's era than it is right now (he had teams with 5-11 Big Ten records make the NIT in 2001 and 2006).If Ben fails to make the NIT this year, he is still a disaster.
Hypothetically in your view, if he goes 12-8 he would still be a disaster. For a coach and team that was predicted by nearly everyone to finish last- that's a borderline coach of the year performance.
Well...one of those years was his first year at arkansas, and that was the covid year.Look at Musselman- He will be sub .500 3 out of 5 years in the SEC and people think he's amazing. He has finished in the bottom half of the league more than the top half. BUT he has had 3 nice tournament runs. Hovering around .500 should be the goal with nice tournament runs at times. 1 significant season per 5 is pretty good.
That's not a good metric- it was way easier to make the NIT in Monson's era than it is right now.
Back in those days, any power team going .500 overall was a borderline lock for the NIT. Which is obviously no longer the case these days.
You voted for a 10 game losing streak.I voted 0. He has the team playing better.... they are competing. seems all the faithful fans are on board for the most part.
.... and I know he will not go 0-10 on the last 10 games of the season..... Team is to good for that.
I’m not completely convinced that the NIT is a better idea than getting on the portal recruiting trail, either.
You voted for a 10 game losing streak.
There will always be critical needs. I'll list power forward as one that is almost automatic this off season.Likely, he'll hit the portal again but maybe not for any critical players this time. Fingers crossed.
There will always be critical needs. I'll list power forward as one that is almost automatic this off season.
I'll also go out on a limb and suggest we will lose at least one critical player with eligibility left, not including Garcia. That's the world we live in.
You have read through my current confidence in the lineup. And that includes my belief that Garcia won't be back. I don't see any of the guys you mention as being able to consistently eat up a lot of minutes effectively.Needing a PF is interesting. Right now we have Garcia, Fox, JOJ, Betts, Grove, Ihnen (should be a PF) and possibly even Keinys who are PF's.