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Bruininks said in his interview we have won more than anyone in America...NOT TRUE. If you go back to the beginning, Harvard and Yale and Princeton have way more...but some of those were 1 win seasons...if you go back to the AP and Coaches polls...what I consider modern football polls, and the new bcs...here are your winners. NO Iowa or Wiscy on this list!

National poll championships (1936–present)
The following table contains the National Championships that have been recognized by the AP or Coaches' Poll. The BCS champion is automatically awarded the Coaches' Poll championship. Of the current 120 Football Bowl Subdivision (FBS, formerly I-A Division) schools, only 30 have won at least a share of a national title. Of these 30 teams, only 18 teams have won multiple titles. Of the 18 teams, only seven have won five or more national titles: Alabama, Notre Dame, Oklahoma, USC, Nebraska, Miami, and Ohio State. The years listed in the table below indicate a national championship selection by the AP or Coaches' Poll. The selections are noted with (AP) or (Coaches) when a national champion selection differed between the two polls for that particular season, which has occurred in eleven different seasons since the polls first came to coexist in 1950.

School Championships Seasons
Alabama 8 1961, 1964, 1965 (AP), 1973 (Coaches), 1978 (AP), 1979, 1992, 2009
Notre Dame 8 1943, 1946, 1947, 1949, 1966, 1973 (AP), 1977, 1988
Oklahoma 7 1950, 1955, 1956, 1974 (AP), 1975, 1985, 2000
USC 7 1962, 1967, 1972, 1974 (Coaches), 1978 (Coaches), 2003 (AP), 2004
Miami 5 1983, 1987, 1989, 1991 (AP), 2001
Nebraska 5 1970 (AP), 1971, 1994, 1995, 1997 (Coaches)
Ohio State 5 1942, 1954 (AP), 1957 (Coaches), 1968, 2002
Minnesota 4 1936, 1940, 1941, 1960
Texas 4 1963, 1969, 1970 (Coaches), 2005
Florida 3 1996, 2006, 2008
LSU 3 1958, 2003 (Coaches), 2007
Army 2 1944, 1945
Florida State 2 1993, 1999
Michigan 2 1948, 1997 (AP)
Michigan State 2 1952, 1965 (Coaches)
Penn State 2 1982, 1986
Pittsburgh 2 1937, 1976
Tennessee 2 1951, 1998
Colorado 1 1990 (AP)
Georgia Tech 1 1990 (Coaches)
BYU 1 1984
Clemson 1 1981
Georgia 1 1980
Auburn 1 1957 (AP)
UCLA 1 1954 (Coaches)
Maryland 1 1953
Syracuse 1 1959
Texas A&M 1 1939
TCU 1 1938
Washington 1 1991 (Coaches)
 

GopherinPhilly said:
Bruininks said in his interview we have won more than anyone in America...NOT TRUE. If you go back to the beginning, Harvard and Yale and Princeton have way more...but some of those were 1 win seasons...if you go back to the AP and Coaches polls...what I consider modern football polls, and the new bcs...here are your winners. NO Iowa or Wiscy on this list!

National poll championships (1936–present)
The following table contains the National Championships that have been recognized by the AP or Coaches' Poll. The BCS champion is automatically awarded the Coaches' Poll championship. Of the current 120 Football Bowl Subdivision (FBS, formerly I-A Division) schools, only 30 have won at least a share of a national title. Of these 30 teams, only 18 teams have won multiple titles. Of the 18 teams, only seven have won five or more national titles: Alabama, Notre Dame, Oklahoma, USC, Nebraska, Miami, and Ohio State. The years listed in the table below indicate a national championship selection by the AP or Coaches' Poll. The selections are noted with (AP) or (Coaches) when a national champion selection differed between the two polls for that particular season, which has occurred in eleven different seasons since the polls first came to coexist in 1950.

School Championships Seasons
Alabama 8 1961, 1964, 1965 (AP), 1973 (Coaches), 1978 (AP), 1979, 1992, 2009
Notre Dame 8 1943, 1946, 1947, 1949, 1966, 1973 (AP), 1977, 1988
Oklahoma 7 1950, 1955, 1956, 1974 (AP), 1975, 1985, 2000
USC 7 1962, 1967, 1972, 1974 (Coaches), 1978 (Coaches), 2003 (AP), 2004
Miami 5 1983, 1987, 1989, 1991 (AP), 2001
Nebraska 5 1970 (AP), 1971, 1994, 1995, 1997 (Coaches)
Ohio State 5 1942, 1954 (AP), 1957 (Coaches), 1968, 2002
Minnesota 4 1936, 1940, 1941, 1960
Texas 4 1963, 1969, 1970 (Coaches), 2005
Florida 3 1996, 2006, 2008
LSU 3 1958, 2003 (Coaches), 2007
Army 2 1944, 1945
Florida State 2 1993, 1999
Michigan 2 1948, 1997 (AP)
Michigan State 2 1952, 1965 (Coaches)
Penn State 2 1982, 1986
Pittsburgh 2 1937, 1976
Tennessee 2 1951, 1998
Colorado 1 1990 (AP)
Georgia Tech 1 1990 (Coaches)
BYU 1 1984
Clemson 1 1981
Georgia 1 1980
Auburn 1 1957 (AP)
UCLA 1 1954 (Coaches)
Maryland 1 1953
Syracuse 1 1959
Texas A&M 1 1939
TCU 1 1938
Washington 1 1991 (Coaches)
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He screwed up. Happens.
 

It's an old strategy. Everyone assumes that it is false that Minnesota has ever won a NC. The thought has become crazy enough that it forces people to want to investigate.

Ultimately, people find that Alabama has the most undisputed NCs, but that Minnesota is not very far-down on the list. They also usually stumble upon the absolute dominance that was Gopher football in pre-WWII America, and also the peculiarity of the 1960-61 season.

Its a valuable and interesting sports history lesson. And besides, obviously Bruininks was talking about undisputed NCs ......

(and only those that were won between the signing of the Treaty of Versailles and the inauguration of JFK).:)
 

per wikipedia source of all knowledge

1934 Bernie Bierman Billingsley, Boand, Dickinson, Football Research, Helms, Litkenhous, National Championship Foundation 8-0

1935 Bernie Bierman Billingsley, Boand, Football Research, Helms, Litkenhous, National Championship Foundation, Poling 8-0

1936 Bernie Bierman AP, Billingsley, Dickinson, Dunkel, Helms, Litkenhous, National Championship Foundation, Poling 7-1

1940 Bernie Bierman AP, Berryman, Billingsley, Boand, DeVold, Dickinson, Football Research, Houlgate, Litkenhous, National Championship Foundation 8-0

1941 Bernie Bierman AP, Billingsley, Boand, DeVold, Dunkel, Football Research, Helms, Litkenhous, National Championship Foundation, Poling 8-0

1960 Murray Warmath AP, FB News, NFF, UPI 8-2 Lost Rose
National championships claimed 6
 

GopherinPhilly said:
Bruininks said in his interview we have won more than anyone in America...NOT TRUE. If you go back to the beginning, Harvard and Yale and Princeton have way more...but some of those were 1 win seasons...if you go back to the AP and Coaches polls...what I consider modern football polls, and the new bcs...here are your winners. NO Iowa or Wiscy on this list!

National poll championships (1936–present)
The following table contains the National Championships that have been recognized by the AP or Coaches' Poll. The BCS champion is automatically awarded the Coaches' Poll championship. Of the current 120 Football Bowl Subdivision (FBS, formerly I-A Division) schools, only 30 have won at least a share of a national title. Of these 30 teams, only 18 teams have won multiple titles. Of the 18 teams, only seven have won five or more national titles: Alabama, Notre Dame, Oklahoma, USC, Nebraska, Miami, and Ohio State. The years listed in the table below indicate a national championship selection by the AP or Coaches' Poll. The selections are noted with (AP) or (Coaches) when a national champion selection differed between the two polls for that particular season, which has occurred in eleven different seasons since the polls first came to coexist in 1950.

School Championships Seasons
Alabama 8 1961, 1964, 1965 (AP), 1973 (Coaches), 1978 (AP), 1979, 1992, 2009
Notre Dame 8 1943, 1946, 1947, 1949, 1966, 1973 (AP), 1977, 1988
Oklahoma 7 1950, 1955, 1956, 1974 (AP), 1975, 1985, 2000
USC 7 1962, 1967, 1972, 1974 (Coaches), 1978 (Coaches), 2003 (AP), 2004
Miami 5 1983, 1987, 1989, 1991 (AP), 2001
Nebraska 5 1970 (AP), 1971, 1994, 1995, 1997 (Coaches)
Ohio State 5 1942, 1954 (AP), 1957 (Coaches), 1968, 2002
Minnesota 4 1936, 1940, 1941, 1960
Texas 4 1963, 1969, 1970 (Coaches), 2005
Florida 3 1996, 2006, 2008
LSU 3 1958, 2003 (Coaches), 2007
Army 2 1944, 1945
Florida State 2 1993, 1999
Michigan 2 1948, 1997 (AP)
Michigan State 2 1952, 1965 (Coaches)
Penn State 2 1982, 1986
Pittsburgh 2 1937, 1976
Tennessee 2 1951, 1998
Colorado 1 1990 (AP)
Georgia Tech 1 1990 (Coaches)
BYU 1 1984
Clemson 1 1981
Georgia 1 1980
Auburn 1 1957 (AP)
UCLA 1 1954 (Coaches)
Maryland 1 1953
Syracuse 1 1959
Texas A&M 1 1939
TCU 1 1938
Washington 1 1991 (Coaches)
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I agree with Maximus. He's human, and he made a slip-up. Don't take it as Gospel.
 


As one of the above replies points out, National Championship actually did exist prior to
the AP Poll in 1936. You had Helms, Dickinson, and many others.
 

Goldmember said:
It's an old strategy. Everyone assumes that it is false that Minnesota has ever won a NC. The thought has become crazy enough that it forces people to want to investigate.

Ultimately, people find that Alabama has the most undisputed NCs, but that Minnesota is not very far-down on the list. They also usually stumble upon the absolute dominance that was Gopher football in pre-WWII America, and also the peculiarity of the 1960-61 season.

Its a valuable and interesting sports history lesson. And besides, obviously Bruininks was talking about undisputed NCs ......

(and only those that were won between the signing of the Treaty of Versailles and the inauguration of JFK).:)
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If you are talking about all time...here is the list and MN isn't near the top of this one either...and we have 7 not 6.

Total championship selections from major selectors by school
The national title count listed below is a culmination of all championship awarded since 1869, regardless of consensus or non-consensus status, as listed in the table above according to the selectors deemed to be major as listed in the Official NCAA Division I Football Records Book (minus the Harris Interactive poll, 2005–present, that is listed but does not conduct a final poll or award a championship).[7]

The totals can be said to be disputed. Individual schools may claim national championships not accounted for by the NCAA Records Book or may not claim national championship selections that do appear in the NCAA Records Book (see National championship claims by school below). For an alternative independent view of national championship totals for each team, please see the College Football Data Warehouse recognized national champions or Poll era (1936-present) selections in the tables below.

School Championships
Princeton 28
Yale 27
Michigan 22
Notre Dame 21
Alabama 17
Oklahoma 17
USC 17
Texas 14
Ohio State 13
Harvard 12
Nebraska 11
Pittsburgh 11
Miami 9
Florida State 7
LSU 7
Minnesota 7
Penn State 7
Tennessee 7
Georgia Tech 6
Michigan State 6
Penn 6
Army 5
Florida 5
Georgia 5
California 5
Cornell 5
Illinois 5
Auburn 4
Iowa 4
Washington 4
Lafayette 3
Mississippi 3
SMU 3
Texas A&M 3
Arkansas 2
Arizona State 2
Chicago 2
Maryland 2
Missouri 2
Stanford 2
TCU 2
BYU 1
Centre 1
Clemson 1
Colgate 1
Colorado 1
Columbia 1
Dartmouth 1
Detroit 1
Kentucky 1
Navy 1
Purdue 1
Rutgers 1
Syracuse 1
UCLA 1
Utah 1
Wisconsin 1
Washington & Jefferson 1
 

buddylee853 said:
I agree with Maximus. He's human, and he made a slip-up. Don't take it as Gospel.
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Made a slip up? He was talking out his ass...the only list we are #1 on is most championships among teams from Minnesota...in D1 of course...
 

This does not offend me. What constitutes a NC in D1-FBS football was highly subjective prior to the BCS. And, some argue, it still is.

Might as well throw it out there and see who starts sh!tting bricks. Good fun for all involved.
 



GopherinPhilly said:
Made a slip up? He was talking out his ass...the only list we are #1 on is most championships among teams from Minnesota...in D1 of course...
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Nooo, pretty sure a guy who's been with the University for 3 or 4 DECADES would know that there are numerous programs with more titles than us, especially a guy so focused on athletics. Is is possible to make a slip-up when we speak from time to time? Yes.

The only person who seems to be talking out of his ass is YOU. You're making a big deal out of absolutely nothing.
 

NCAA does recognize championships before the polls began in 1936, with the Gophers official for '34 and '35. they also have a legit claim to 1904. Some of the modern ones are suspect because one poll waited until after the bowl games and the other didn't, as in '73, when Alabama, number one at the end of the season in both polls, lost an epic Sugar Bowl game to Notre Dame, which became the new champion in one poll, while Alabama remained champ in the other. Fact is, the Irish beat them in a great game pitting coach Parseghian against Bear Bryant.
 


Great Plains Gopher said:
NCAA does recognize championships before the polls began in 1936, with the Gophers official for '34 and '35. they also have a legit claim to 1904. Some of the modern ones are suspect because one poll waited until after the bowl games and the other didn't, as in '73, when Alabama, number one at the end of the season in both polls, lost an epic Sugar Bowl game to Notre Dame, which became the new champion in one poll, while Alabama remained champ in the other. Fact is, the Irish beat them in a great game pitting coach Parseghian against Bear Bryant.
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There's no such thing as an "official" national championship in college football. There has never been one. What we're talking about are mythical national championships. And there's no official definition of what those are. The most common definition (pre-BCS) is the #1 ranking in the last AP and/or coaches poll. By that measure, the Gophers have 4 national championships, all of them undisputed. The number we generally claim is 6, which includes 1934 and 1935 in addition to our poll wins in 1936, 1940, 1941 and 1960.

There are dozens of groups who have selected national champions for various seasons. For the most part, from 1936 on, only the polls are considered valid. Before that, many seasons probably had 5-10 teams who were selected as the champion by someone. A lot of those selectors are retroactive - somebody picked the champion many years after the season actually happened. For example, using 1935 as an example:

http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/national_championships/yearly_results.php?year=1935

According to that page, there were 24 people/groups who picked the Gophers as the champs, 1 who picked LSU, 7 who picked Princeton, 7 who picked SMU, 2 who picked Stanford and 2 who picked TCU. Many of them are actually just mathematical models (the Sagarin ratings for example) put together in recent times.

So, when you get right down to it, it's a real mess trying to talk about titles before 1936.
 



1934, not 1936, was actually the first year of the AP poll. Lucky for us, 1934 just happened to be the first of our titles.
 


buddylee853 said:
Nooo, pretty sure a guy who's been with the University for 3 or 4 DECADES would know that there are numerous programs with more titles than us, especially a guy so focused on athletics. Is is possible to make a slip-up when we speak from time to time? Yes.

The only person who seems to be talking out of his ass is YOU. You're making a big deal out of absolutely nothing.
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Hey Buddy...you sleeping with Prexy B? He was pretty clear in what he said...and it was way off...and a guy that's been doing interviews for 4 decades should know not to say such a foolish thing...this guy has been the Pres during the worst time in Gopher football history...so it doesn't surprise me he doesn't know the history.
 

1936 was the first year for the AP poll, but the AP football writer (forget his name) chose three co-champions for 1935: Minnesota, Princeton (then coached by former Gopher coach, Fritz Creisler) and Southern Methodist (Professor Dickenson's pick). The NCAA does recognize pre-1936 champions, dubbing them, "national poll champions." Gophers are champs for '34 and '35, giving Bierman the only triple run in modern (post 1920) football history. Most football historians consider either 1920 or 1924 (first year for Dickenson's picks) as the beginning of the rankings era. Before that, going back to the 1880s, you have mostly Ivy League schools, but Michigan was a big presence in the early 1900s and one historian has chosen Minnesota as 1904 champ.
 

Arguing about poll results from 75 years ago like it has any meaning (or has for 50 years) today, haha.
 

GopherinPhilly said:
Hey Buddy...you sleeping with Prexy B? He was pretty clear in what he said...and it was way off...and a guy that's been doing interviews for 4 decades should know not to say such a foolish thing...this guy has been the Pres during the worst time in Gopher football history...so it doesn't surprise me he doesn't know the history.
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Here's a question for you... who the f*ck cares??? Whether you think our president either just screwed up or is as dumb as rocks, the only person who knows whether or not he believed in what he said is Bruininks himself! This is such a boring, pointless message board thread that I'm in disbelief someone would take so much time to point out such a comment.

I had a feeling someone would make a light comment in passing about the screw-up, but WOW did you ever take the cake.

And no, not sleeping with "Prexy" B.
 

GopherinPhilly said:
Hey Buddy...you sleeping with Prexy B? He was pretty clear in what he said...and it was way off...and a guy that's been doing interviews for 4 decades should know not to say such a foolish thing...this guy has been the Pres during the worst time in Gopher football history...so it doesn't surprise me he doesn't know the history.
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this injustice shall not stand
 

Claiming 1960 as a real national championship is absurd. The Gophers lost the Rose Bowl, lost 2 of their last 3 games, and lost both games that they played when ranked # 1. Everyone that picked a national champion after the bowl games picked someone other than Minnesota. The fact that the final polls were voted before the Rose Bowl does not a national champion make. I believe it is accurate to say that there is no other 2-loss "national champion" that lost its bowl game. There is an obvious reason for this.

Washington, which beat Minnesota in the Rose Bowl and ended with 1 loss, Ole Miss and Missouri have much stronger claims to the 1960 national championship.

In contrast, Minnesota's earlier national championships are more than legit. The Gophers of the 1930s and early 1940s were truly great.
 


GopherinPhilly said:
Hey Buddy...you sleeping with Prexy B? He was pretty clear in what he said...and it was way off...and a guy that's been doing interviews for 4 decades should know not to say such a foolish thing...this guy has been the Pres during the worst time in Gopher football history...so it doesn't surprise me he doesn't know the history.
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You sound like you use to sleep with him, but he dumped you. You can make a mountain out of a molehill, but that doesn't mean climbing it is a great expedition.
 

A lot of us have slept with Bruininks. We feel no shame.
 

No, it is not absurd to claim 1960 as a real national championship. By any honest measure, Minnesota won a national championship in 1960. You have to understand the changing nature of bowls. Back then, bowl games were glorified exhibition games. This changed afterwards, when national champions were selected after the bowl games. This reflected a change in status of bowls, not an indication that the 1960 National Championship wasn't legitimate.
 


The coaches and players didn't regard the Rose Bowl as a glorified exhibition game, and neither did the fans, the media, nor the organizations like the FWAA that picked a more accruate national champion after the bowl game. The Minneapolis papers didn't report the Rose Bowl as the loss of a meaningless exhibition game. It was a crushing loss. Likewise, when the Gophers won the Rose Bowl the next year, it was a huge deal, their first Rose Bowl victory, far more important at the time than the vote of the pollsters in 1960. It is mostly in hindsight that people claim the '60 "national championship" as a big deal. Losing the Rose Bowl was the real big deal, especially since all the top teams from 1960 except Iowa (Ole Miss, Missouri, Navy, Washington, Minnesota) played in bowl games that year (unlike some other years). Ole Miss and Washington have far more legit claims to the 1960 national championship than Minnesota.
 

For bowl games to be glorified exhibition games doesn't mean players and fans didn't care about them. The weren't considered when national championships were awarded. The pollsters were aware, of course, that a team that won the national championship could lose a bowl game. The Rose Bowl was originally just an added attraction for the Tournament of Roses, rather than the reverse which it became. It used to be that stats from bowl games didn't even count for season stats.

The bottom line is that Minnesota won the 1960 National Championship under the criteria which existed at the time. Period. No one else has any greater claim to it.
 

RodentRampage said:
The bottom line is that Minnesota won the 1960 National Championship under the criteria which existed at the time. Period. No one else has any greater claim to it.
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That is the key right there. You can't look at how we crown champions now and try to force that method on the game at that time. The AP and coaches poll were the standard by which the national champion was picked at the time. Both chose the Gophers as the champions. They did the selection before the bowl game, so by definition, they considered it to be an exhibition game. In 1964, the same thing happened to Alabama and in 1965, Michigan State was #1 in the coaches poll despite losing its bowl game. These losses led to the polls eventually deciding to move the final poll until after the bowl game was played. That doesn't mean that those titles get taken away - they were won according to the rules at the time.

And the idea that our 1960 national championship is "mostly in hindsight" is absurd! Trying to take the title away is 100% retroactive manipulation. We won the 1960 undisputed national title. End of story.
 

2727Gopher said:
That is the key right there. You can't look at how we crown champions now and try to force that method on the game at that time. The AP and coaches poll were the standard by which the national champion was picked at the time. Both chose the Gophers as the champions. They did the selection before the bowl game, so by definition, they considered it to be an exhibition game. In 1964, the same thing happened to Alabama and in 1965, Michigan State was #1 in the coaches poll despite losing its bowl game. These losses led to the polls eventually deciding to move the final poll until after the bowl game was played. That doesn't mean that those titles get taken away - they were won according to the rules at the time.

And the idea that our 1960 national championship is "mostly in hindsight" is absurd! Trying to take the title away is 100% retroactive manipulation. We won the 1960 undisputed national title. End of story.
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I wasn't aware of that. People only talk about the 1960 championship. The difference is that Minnesota had been a 1-loss team when awarded the national championship, while Alabama and Michigan State had been undefeated.

That this wasn't changed for YEARS indicates that people didn't consider it that big a deal. I had been under the impression that the pollsters had immediately changed the polling to make the final vote after the bowl games, but it took them years to change it. It's only in hindsight that people try to downplay the 1960 national championship, it's absurd to claim that the 1960 NC wasn't a big deal at the time. Bowl games were considered somewhat disreputable for a time, the Big Ten had a policy of only allowing the Big Ten champ to go to a bowl game, and in the case of a shared title, only the team whose turn it was to go to the Rose Bowl got to go.
 

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