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Brewster just lost to USD...I think that is point enough.
 


loki said:
Brewster just lost to USD...I think that is point enough.
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Ignorant, you mean.

You pick ONE thing and ignore everything else. Congrats. Mason is clearly the better X's and O's coach. No one is disputing this. But Brewster is far better at recruiting than Mase ever was. Both have resulted in pretty much the same results.. Nothing to mediocre.
 

Formo said:
Ignorant, you mean.

You pick ONE thing and ignore everything else. Congrats. Mason is clearly the better X's and O's coach. No one is disputing this. But Brewster is far better at recruiting than Mase ever was. Both have resulted in pretty much the same results.. Nothing to mediocre.
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I don't disagree...Brewster and Mason apples and oranges...but Brewster was suppose to be an upgrade and he is not.
 

Mulligan said:
Ya, a coach taking his team to a bowl game will quit and come to Minnesota because we're just like Notre Dame. Or wait, there's always Tony Dungy. The frickin delusion on this board amazes me.
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We should support Brewster to the hilt until season ends. If they are willing to pay big, big money for a game changing coach then yes, we should change coaches. Otherwise, I would prefer to stay with Brew. He's got great passion for the program and he is recruiting better athletes and that's always a huge issue here. Local coaches seem to like him - yes? Face it folks this job is a coach killer- since Warmath everyone has failed, even Holtz only got so far in his brief stay. But a Holtz type hire is the way to go otherwise you will just continue to see a coaching merry-go-round.
 


Schnoodler said:
Just remember, any coach worth a damn can't be hired until their season is over. Don't expect a new face until January if Maturi makes a move. What happens early is the coaches removal, not the hire.
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Brian Kelly was hired Dec. 11 last year.
Butch Jones was hired to replace Kelly Dec. 16.
Turner gill was hired Dec. 13 last year.
Houston Nutt was hired Nov. 27 a few years ago.
 

CentralGopher said:
I think most people on this board are either calling for Brewter to either be fired now or at least think he deserves to be fired. I have been a Brewster backer up until yesterday and think that ultimately he does deserve to go. I honestly don't have any idea how you can coach those kids up for USC after this terrible loss. Their confidence has to be entirely gone if they can't even beat USD. I really don't think I need to see a 5th year of Brewster after seeing the regression of the program this year. I think most people knew Brewsters seat was getting warm this year and he would have to show some progress. That clearly is not happening. My question is at what point do you think he will be gone. I think he will be gone after the Illinois game but before Iowa comes calling. Another year of winning 0 trophies will be the final nail in the coffin for him. I think Maturi will see that he has no shot of beating Iowa and pull the plug. When do you think he will be gone?
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He'll be fired once it is clear he won't be retained. Right now, you don't fire him yet because he could still go 11-1 and no one will ever commit with no named HC. Granted, no one will commit now either that is any good because the writing is already on the wall. This is clearly going to be a "lame duck" season. On the bright side, we've got 4 months to think about who we might get.
 

bga1 said:
We should support Brewster to the hilt until season ends. If they are willing to pay big, big money for a game changing coach then yes, we should change coaches. Otherwise, I would prefer to stay with Brew. He's got great passion for the program and he is recruiting better athletes and that's always a huge issue here. Local coaches seem to like him - yes? Face it folks this job is a coach killer- since Warmath everyone has failed, even Holtz only got so far in his brief stay. But a Holtz type hire is the way to go otherwise you will just continue to see a coaching merry-go-round.
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Holtz would have taken us to the Rose Bowl, and then it would have been taken away for violations. He had a lot of John Calipari and Rick Pitino in him. We were on pace for a top 5 recruiting class the year he left (and many of those kids followed him to ND). At this point, we might as well admit that we had it as good as we can with Mase. Not sure who's going to take us further than he did...
 

Schnoodler said:
Mason had ten seasons. If you want to slog through ten seasons of Brewster I'm sure he'll have a handful of wins over those same schools. Your point means nothing.
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But Mason beat PSU and Iowa X 2 in his first three seasons, and each again his 4th season, I think thats what the poster above was talking about.

Either way though - Mason was ready to leave and Brew is ready to leave as well. A hire by Maturi that did not work out and I agree that making a splash with a name coach is the way to go, otherwise its one step forward, two back...
 



I think the powers-that-be will monitor the team's progress very closely over the next month. If improvement is shown, it may (and I stress the word "may") give Brewster a bit of a breather, even if he loses the games to USC and Northwestern. The big problem here is that he hasn't given a QB other than Weber an appreciable number of snaps over the past three seasons, making the chance for improvement for next year's squad a dicey proposition as well.

Like some here, I like Brewster and wanted nothing more than to see him succeed. Yeah, the Wacker-esque ranting goes over-the-top, but that's who the guy is. After yesterday, I think he's pretty much done. He beats Northern Illinois and goes 0-and-whatever in the Big 10 and it's all over.

As for the timing, a lot will depend on Bruiniks retirement and what happens with Maturi. I think Maturi has done a good job overall in the athletic department, but his failure to improve the football situation is a very visible sore thumb.
 

Not that I want Mason back but he was better at coaching talent up and coaching in general than Brewster. I was happy with the switch at the time but I don't see anything to suggest the remainder of the season will be pleasant at all. Just more yelling, screaming and throwing stuff at the tv. Most reports gave the gophers 1-2 wins this year so I guess they met those expectations but most people posting on this board knew we had some talent on this team and it should not be very hard to do better than that. Now that it is apparent we won't be any better I really don't see any way Brew can save his job.
 

loki said:
You guys have bad memories....Mason routed teams like this USD usally...further, he beat OSU, PSU (numerous times), Wisconsin, Iowa and Michigan. Who has Brewster beat? Bad memories???? The reason we got Brewster was to upgrade from avg instead we downgraded.
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This really isn't that hard. Brewster has been 3-5 in the Big Ten the past two years. In Mason's TEN years he averaged 3-5 in the Big Ten. The results have been identical. He was the worst coach in the HISTORY of the program against Iowa and Wisconsin. He set an F'ing record by losing to Iowa 5 times in a row.

I just hope Brewster isn't given ten years to "rebuild" like Mason was.
 

Good Grief!

Schnoodler said:
Nobody is happy today. But you're kind of just wrong. Brewster has done pretty much what Mason did, and mason never had a recruiting season as good as Brewsters worst.

We can't hire a coach without a strong recruiting background in Minnesota. That eliminates most coaches from smaller schools. It's a big buck guy, a guy from a recruiting hot bed area like Florida, or we will continue to be a bottom dweller.
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Schnoolder:

You are absolutely full of sh$t. Brewster has not "pretty much done what Mason did". Mason took a terrible program and made it respectable, beating the likes of Penn State, Ohio State and Michigan. Brewster took a respectable program and got beat by South Dakota, for god's sake.
Mason probably maxed out his stay, but there is no comparison between the two.
Keep blabbering on about recruiting, but the proof is on Saturdays and all bozo the Brewster proves on Saturdays is that he will be overmatched in the coaching deparment by whomever is on the opposite sideline.
Maturi waited too long to gas Monson, and he made the same mistake at the end of last season, extending the used car salesman instead of admitting his hiring screw-up and moving on.
 




This really isn't that hard. Brewster has been 3-5 in the Big Ten the past two years. In Mason's TEN years he averaged 3-5 in the Big Ten. The results have been identical. He was the worst coach in the HISTORY of the program against Iowa and Wisconsin. He set an F'ing record by losing to Iowa 5 times in a row.

I just hope Brewster isn't given ten years to "rebuild" like Mason was.
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Since Tim has lost every trophy game and has not beat a ranked team I see the comparison.

Glen did win 8 games in his third season and beat #2 Penn state, but who cares right?

Glen won 6 games in his 4th season, (Brew will be extremely lucky to win 5) and beat Penn St., won at Ohio State (first time in 50+ years and beat Iowa at home.

But why get the facts in the way.
 

gopherweirdo said:
Since Tim has lost every trophy game and has not beat a ranked team I see the comparison.

Glen did win 8 games in his third season and beat #2 Penn state, but who cares right?

Glen won 6 games in his 4th season, (Brew will be extremely lucky to win 5) and beat Penn St., won at Ohio State (first time in 50+ years and beat Iowa at home.

But why get the facts in the way.
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This.

What is the biggest win of Brewster's tenure?
 

if you want Mason back you are ok with being average to below average.


For some fans going to the toilet bowl every year is good enough, other fans like me wanted to see us take a chance to see if we could become like Wisc (which is an above average team every year with at least a chance to get to a bcs bowl)
 


hudson14 said:
Schnoolder:

You are absolutely full of sh$t. Brewster has not "pretty much done what Mason did". Mason took a terrible program and made it respectable, beating the likes of Penn State, Ohio State and Michigan. Brewster took a respectable program and got beat by South Dakota, for god's sake.
Mason probably maxed out his stay, but there is no comparison between the two.
Keep blabbering on about recruiting, but the proof is on Saturdays and all bozo the Brewster proves on Saturdays is that he will be overmatched in the coaching deparment by whomever is on the opposite sideline.
Maturi waited too long to gas Monson, and he made the same mistake at the end of last season, extending the used car salesman instead of admitting his hiring screw-up and moving on.
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Exactly on point. We can argue how good or bad Mase was, but he won more big games than any coach since I've been alive. Brewster has not one signature win in 4 years (best wins MSU and Illinois). Brewster is .500 against FCS teams. Someone post Mason's record against FCS teams please. Pretty sure he never lost once. Brewster loses to one every two years, which is amazing as he only plays one a year. I don't need 6 more years to say Brewster broke the record for consecutive losses to Iowa. Time to admit he was a mistake, and try something else. If Mason and his success wasn't good enough, then Brewster is a train wreck.
 

EG#9 said:
This really isn't that hard. Brewster has been 3-5 in the Big Ten the past two years. In Mason's TEN years he averaged 3-5 in the Big Ten. The results have been identical. He was the worst coach in the HISTORY of the program against Iowa and Wisconsin. He set an F'ing record by losing to Iowa 5 times in a row.

I just hope Brewster isn't given ten years to "rebuild" like Mason was.
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By Mason's Fourth year, he had beaten Penn State twice (DEFEATING THE # 2 TEAM in the country on one of those occassions), Iowa twice, destoyed Iowa State and had one 8 win season barely losing to Oregon in the Sun Bowl (I know I was there). He had taken us from dismal to respectable in three seasons. Prior to Mason coming here we were terrible but by the begining of the fourth year year we were considered good. That was all while in the Metrodome by the way. What has Brewster done in 3 years? I will answer for you-very little. He has lost to all our rivals numerous times and lost both bowl games to inferior opponents. The purpose of bringing in Brewster was to upgrade Mason's program which seemed to have stagnated. Instead we have downgraded back to the years of Wacker.
 

Schnoodler said:
Nobody is happy today. But you're kind of just wrong. Brewster has done pretty much what Mason did, and mason never had a recruiting season as good as Brewsters worst.

We can't hire a coach without a strong recruiting background in Minnesota. That eliminates most coaches from smaller schools. It's a big buck guy, a guy from a recruiting hot bed area like Florida, or we will continue to be a bottom dweller.
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are you nuts!! name one of brews recruits as good as barber or maroney!!! among others in the nfl
 

A day later, thinking about it, and what this loss did was pretty much set the bar EXTREMELY high for Brewster this season. This season can go one of three ways. One is this could completely collapse the squad, where the team basically gets pounded on by USC, and loses to NIU. At this juncture, I could easily see him getting canned prior to the season finale.

Another way, is they continue to be average, losing respectably to USC (similar to Cal last year), while beating NIU, and then going 3-5 in the Big Ten once again. Prior to Saturday, this MAY have been enough for Brewster to survive another season, maybe if he stole one against a PSU or Iowa. Now? This will not work, not with another Dakota loss on his record. This will lead to a firing, and rightfully so.

Finally, this could be a bottoming out moment for this squad, followed by an inspired season. Beat USC, NIU, win 5 BT games to finish with 8 wins minimum. This would be pretty much minimum at this point for him to keep his job. The standard has been raised after Saturday. He's got some damage control to do, and the only way to undo it is to create some special moments this season. He's gotta find a way to get a few wins out of the USC, Wisconsin, OSU, PSU, and Iowa set, his job pretty much depends on it. Now obviously this is the far least likely of the set, but I'm just laying it out there.

If I were a betting man, I wouldn't put money down on Brewster being our favorite team's head coach come 2011.
 

Formo said:
Ignorant, you mean.

You pick ONE thing and ignore everything else. Congrats. Mason is clearly the better X's and O's coach. No one is disputing this. But Brewster is far better at recruiting than Mase ever was. Both have resulted in pretty much the same results.. Nothing to mediocre.
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Reminds me of an old joke: "Aside from that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
 


In spite of what everyone says, it still depends on how the team plays the rest of the way. Honestly, if they lost to both USC and N. IL and then went 5-3 in the Big Ten he'd be retained. Until it's clear that won't happen he won't be fired. To me that means the earliest he'd be fired is four games into the Big Ten season if they lost every game between now and then. More likely not until the last two games of the season.

I'd be thrilled if the 'real' Gophers were the MTSU gophers and if they show it in the next two weeks.
 

In 3 years Brewster has not won one game worthy of mentioning...
 

badgergopher said:
In spite of what everyone says, it still depends on how the team plays the rest of the way. Honestly, if they lost to both USC and N. IL and then went 5-3 in the Big Ten he'd be retained. Until it's clear that won't happen he won't be fired. To me that means the earliest he'd be fired is four games into the Big Ten season if they lost every game between now and then. More likely not until the last two games of the season.

I'd be thrilled if the 'real' Gophers were the MTSU gophers and if they show it in the next two weeks.
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Right. And if monkeys fly out of my butt, maybe they'll keep Brewster then too.
 

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