How do the Golden Gophers match up with the Hawkeyes?

[Some guy]

First of all, obviously I know you can find documentation and obviously I didn't intentionally lie.

For clarification:

I said:

"in 2019 we were down 20-3 early 2nd quarter so there were more passes. Passing brought us back to almost win the game.

There were fewer passes. This is literally false.

In 2020, we were down 14-0 at half, so more passes."

I didn’t mention that game and haven’t done an analysis. i don’t remember that game so you may be correct.

I didn't mean there were more passes than runs (that almost never happens with Minnesota).

This is literally incorrect that it almost never happens. It has happened 2 of the last 7 Iowa games and one was a tie.
Last year in 9 big ten games they threw more 5/9
Threw the same 1/9
Ran more 3/9

Clearly, as your well-researched post showed, Minnesota runs the ball a lot against Iowa. I was saying they got behind and threw more passes than the usual conservative approach against Iowa. And in 2019, it nearly brought us back. Tanner Morgan threw for 369 yards against a defense that didn't allow a lot of offense.

In the 2019 Iowa games the team threw a higher percentage of the time in the first quarter than the second half. You’re just flat wrong and doubling down for some reason. Go google the box score dude.

PJ is 1-8 against Iowa. He has been mostly conservative.

yeah he is a conservative coach.

I mean go ahead and keep doing in.

Anyone who follows Iowa football, that team almost never loses to teams who are run-first conservative outfits. But, if we want to keep banging our head against the wall, let's do it.

lol
You literally are in a different reality,

It’s fine. PJ is a conservative coach, I agree.
But you are just straight up making stuff up. And that’s fine.

 

[tjgopher]

There were fewer passes. This is literally false.

I didn’t mention that game and haven’t done an analysis. i don’t remember that game so you may be correct.

This is literally incorrect that it almost never happens. It has happened 2 of the last 7 Iowa games and one was a tie.
Last year in 9 big ten games they threw more 5/9
Threw the same 1/9
Ran more 3/9

In the 2019 Iowa games the team threw a higher percentage of the time in the first quarter than the second half. You’re just flat wrong and doubling down for some reason. Go google the box score dude.

yeah he is a conservative coach.

lol
You literally are in a different reality,

It’s fine. PJ is a conservative coach, I agree.
But you are just straight up making stuff up. And that’s fine.

Ok. I'm not arguing with you. You didn't read what I said. You are being obtuse and in a different universe. I'm not talking about passing more than running. I'm talking about passing more than they usually did against Iowa (as your research backs up, "dude"). And, I am talking about the Iowa series. Two of seven times is "almost never" to me. And, it was the two games I cited as different. But, go ahead and die on the hill.

Move along and talk to others. Leave me out of it.

 

[Some guy]

Ok. I'm not arguing with you. You didn't read what I said. You are being obtuse and in a different universe.

No. You doubled down and said they passed more later when they were down. Which is false. They threw a ball at a higher rate earlier in the game

I'm not talking about passing more than running. I'm talking about passing more than they usually did against Iowa (as your research backs up, "dude").

And, I am talking about the Iowa series. Two of seven times is "almost never" to me. And, it was the two games I cited as different. But, go ahead and die on the hill.

Move along and talk to others. Leave me out of it.

they threw the ball 13 of the first 21 plays 7 of the first 11

You’re right you aren’t arguing you’re having hallucinations. You should do a drug test. Someone might be spiking your stuff with acid or something

 

[tjgopher]

No. You doubled down and said they passed more later when they were down. Which is false. They threw a ball at a higher rate earlier in the game



they threw the ball 13 of the first 21 plays 7 of the first 11

You’re right you aren’t arguing you’re having hallucinations. You should do a drug test. Someone might be spiking your stuff with acid or something

One more time, I'm not talking about running more than passing or passing more later in the game. Never said that. Read this again. I was talking about the fact they passed the ball more in those two Iowa games (as you pointed out in the research) than they had in most of the other Iowa games. And, I wasn't trying to argue to be honest. I was just pointing out in your research that part of why the Gophers likely passed more against Iowa in those two games than they usually do against the Hawkeyes was likely because they were playing from behind. I NEVER said they passed more than they ran or passed more later than earlier in any game. Ever. I said playing from behind led to more passing than normal against Iowa (your numbers back that up, so not sure what you're fighting about).

In fact, I mostly agree with you, but you can't see it. You're too worried about winning some non-existent argument that I simply have never made. I never said anywhere that I believed Minnesota passed the ball more later in the 2019 game than earlier. I said they passed more in that game than most Iowa games and it likely due to being down by 17 points early in the second quarter. Good research you have. It shows exactly what I'm saying. I was trying add context to your numbers. But, you read it differently than I intended and you have been emotionally fighting and name-calling and accusing me of using drugs ever since. LOL

But, it doesn't change my mind that PJ needs to be more aggressive against Iowa. But, so be it. We'll both survive.

 

[RememberMurray]

PJ is 1-8 against Iowa.

As Gopher coach he's 1-7 vs. Iowa.

 

[Some guy]

One more time, I'm not talking about running more than passing or passing more later in the game. Never said that. Read this again. I was talking about the fact they passed the ball more in those two Iowa games (as you pointed out in the research) than they had in most of the other Iowa games. And, I wasn't trying to argue to be honest. I was just pointing out in your research that part of why the Gophers likely passed more against Iowa in those two games than they usually do against the Hawkeyes was likely because they were playing from behind. I NEVER said they passed more than they ran or passed more later than earlier in any game. Ever. I said playing from behind led to more passing than normal against Iowa (your numbers back that up, so not sure what you're fighting about).

In fact, I mostly agree with you, but you can't see it. You're too worried about winning some non-existent argument that I simply have never made. I never said anywhere that I believed Minnesota passed the ball more later in the 2019 game than earlier. I said they passed more in that game than most Iowa games and it likely due to being down by 17 points early in the second quarter. Good research you have. It shows exactly what I'm saying. I was trying add context to your numbers. But, you read it differently than I intended and you have been emotionally fighting and name-calling and accusing me of using drugs ever since. LOL

But, it doesn't change my mind that PJ needs to be more aggressive against Iowa. But, so be it. We'll both survive.

You still don’t understand why this is insane

They literally threw the ball more when down less than 17 than when down 17

So you make this 3 paragraph deal about how they threw more than usual because they were down 17…but within the one game they threw the ball LESS once they were down 17

I know that your feelings don’t care about the facts so I guess we are done here. But making shit up is really strange.

You can continue to make up stuff.
I wish I could live in an alternate reality. I wouldn’t pick one where the gophers lost like you though

 

[tjgopher]

You still don’t understand why this is insane

They literally threw the ball more when down less than 17 than when down 17

So you make this 3 paragraph deal about how they threw more than usual because they were down 17…but within the one game they threw the ball LESS once they were down 17

I know that your feelings don’t care about the facts so I guess we are done here. But making shit up is really strange.

You can continue to make up stuff.
I wish I could live in an alternate reality. I wouldn’t pick one where the gophers lost like you though

I'm not talking about within one game. Never have been. I'm talking about the entire series against Iowa during PJ's time here. Your research literally backs what I'm saying. My goodness.

You said: "The gophers threw the ball 36 times not counting sacks in 2019 vs 23 non sack runs"

That is a 61% pass rate. That is a higher pass rate than almost every other game of the series during PJ's time (according to numbers you yourself posted right in this very thread).

My suggestion is they threw the ball 61% of the time in that game (more than most PJ Iowa games, and in some cases way more) because they trailed by 17 points at one point. I was simply trying to add context that maybe how that game was unfolding was why it led to more passing than usual against Iowa.

It isn't that hard to grasp, but you can't quite seem to get there.

 

[Some guy]

I'm not talking about within one game. Never have been. I'm talking about the entire series against Iowa during PJ's time here. Your research literally backs what I'm saying. My goodness.

You said: "The gophers threw the ball 36 times not counting sacks in 2019 vs 23 non sack runs"

That is a 61% pass rate. That is a higher pass rate than almost every other game of the series during PJ's time (according to numbers you yourself posted right in this very thread).

My suggestion is they threw the ball 61% of the time in that game (more than most PJ games, and in some cases way higher) because they trailed by 17 points at one point. That possibly, the way the game unfolded led to more passing than usual against Iowa.

It isn't that hard to grasp, but you can't quite seem to get there.

It’s not hard to grasp at all
If you make up things you will be right

Good strategy

 

[tjgopher]

It’s not hard to grasp at all
If you make up things you will be right

Good strategy

I literally haven't claimed anything to make up. I'm using your facts that you posted.

Are you trying to contradict your facts? Are you suggesting that Minnesota threw the ball less in the 2019 game than most other Iowa games during PJ's time? I'm saying they passed more, your numbers suggest that, as well. My thought is that might be due to trailing 20-3 early in the 2nd quarter.

That's my only claim in this entire ordeal, but you have yourself doing handstands trying to create some other argument. And, certainly an argument I never made. Not once.

 

[Some guy]

I literally haven't claimed anything to make up. I'm using your facts that you posted.

Are you trying to contradict your facts? Are you suggestingt hat Minnesota threw the ball less in the 2019 game than most other Iowa games during PJ's time? I'm saying they passed more, your numbers suggest that, as well.

No I am not claiming that. In fact I told you exactly the amount of pass calls vs run calls since 2019?

That's my only claim in this entire ordeal, but you have yourself doing handstands trying to create some other argument. And, certainly an argument I never made. Not once.

You said they threw more because they’re behind. The further behind they fell the less they threw in 2019





You’re either on product or your IQ is about 6

Iowa 23-19 Minnesota (Nov 16, 2019) Final Score - ESPN

Game summary of the Iowa Hawkeyes vs. Minnesota Golden Gophers NCAAF game, final score 23-19, from November 16, 2019 on ESPN.

www.espn.com

The box score speaks for itself
Maybe you have PTSD, that can cloud memory

 

[tjgopher]

No I am not claiming that. In fact I told you exactly the amount of pass calls vs run calls since 2019?

You said they threw more because they’re behind. The further behind they fell the less they threw





You’re either on product or your IQ is about 6

No, that's not what I said. Not once.

I said they threw more passes in that game than most other games in the Iowa series because they were behind. Go read it again. I NEVER said anything other than that.

In other words, had they been ahead by 17 points, they certainly weren't passing 61% of the time in that game, right? They threw more passes than they usually do against Iowa because they were behind. That's the only thing I have claimed and that's what your own numbers suggest is true. Again, unless you posted faulty numbers.

Name-calling and accusing someone who has never done drugs of doing drugs isn't very cool. I think I'll simply go with you're a freaking idiot.

 

[MNVCGUY]

The gophers threw the ball 36 times not counting sacks in 2019 vs 23 non sack runs

In 2020 the gophers threw 33 and non Morgan runs were 33 (I am not breaking down how many of the Morgan runs were called passes vs runs…but feel free, there were 7 for one yard).

In 2021 there were 33 passes and 47 non QB runs (4 QB runs and not sure which were called and which were called passes)

In 2022 there were 15 passes and 44 non QB runs

In 2023 there were 25 passes and 37 non QB runs

In 2024 there were 37 passes and 17 non QB runs


I am going to be honest.
We haven’t been that conservative vs Iowa and when we have been it’s gone BETTER

Since 2019 there has really been 2 blowout losses. In both games it was 50/50 or more called passes.

Since 2019 averaging 33.5 runs per matchup and 29.8 passes vs Iowa. And this is counting sacks as nothing rather than counting them as passes. This is 53% running.

Cracks me up that there are still people hanging onto the ultra conservative narrative.

We won’t ever be mistaken for for an air raid team but we are far from the service academy offense some love to pretend we run.

 

[Some guy]

Cracks me up that there are still people hanging onto the ultra conservative narrative.

We won’t ever be mistaken for for an air raid team but we are far from the service academy offense some love to pretend we run.

I just don’t get it
Why would you go online? (I guess that’s me)
I also don’t get
Why would you go online and say stuff that’s false? (I’m sure I do sometimes by misremembering)
I also don’t get
Why would you say stuff that’s false that’s easily checkable within the thread!


If I ever say something patently false and someone calls me on it, I hope I’m like…holy crap yeah I am wrong



But that’s the problem with the whole society.


People’s feelings don’t care about the facts

 

[btowngopher]

We pretty handily outplayed them at least half the time under Fleck. I don’t think the coaching has been a major issue. How about the players just stop making giant mistakes in crucial moments? Iowa made one of those mistakes that cost them a game, we have made several.

 

[PMWinSTP]

 

[WoodburyTim]

Iowa's defenses are always really, really good at creating turnovers. It's how Iowa manages to win many of their games, despite the fact that their offense has often been pretty bad.

To mindlessly throw the ball against the Hawkeyes, just for the sake of throwing, is not a good plan.

It does seem odd that people on here are advocating to “mindlessly” throw the ball.
Seems like a better idea to do it in a planned reasonable fashion.

 

[Some guy]

We pretty handily outplayed them at least half the time under Fleck. I don’t think the coaching has been a major issue. How about the players just stop making giant mistakes in crucial moments? Iowa made one of those mistakes that cost them a game, we have made several.

We maybe have been too conservative

But at other moments maybe too aggressive





I hope we win

 

[Some guy]

It does seem odd that people on here are advocating to “mindlessly” throw the ball.
Seems like a better idea to do it in a planned reasonable fashion.

We can mindlessly run or throw.
I like the right balance where we go 7-1 instead of 1-7


Regardless
You can’t just make shit up about what already happened!

 

[RememberMurray]

We can mindlessly run or throw.
I like the right balance where we go 7-1 instead of 1-7


Regardless
You can’t just make shit up about what already happened!

You know all the plays they run that don't work?

They should call different plays. Call the plays that do work. It's pretty simple, really.

 

[btowngopher]

You know all the plays they run that don't work?

They should call different plays. Call the plays that do work. It's pretty simple, really.

So never run up the middle and always jet sweep?

 

[MNVCGUY]

We pretty handily outplayed them at least half the time under Fleck. I don’t think the coaching has been a major issue. How about the players just stop making giant mistakes in crucial moments? Iowa made one of those mistakes that cost them a game, we have made several.

Bingo....many of the games against Iowa under Fleck easily could have gone the other way and unfortunately we have made more mistakes than they have in those crucial moments.

If you only focus on W/L record.....Fleck has not done well against Iowa at all. But that record does not reflect the razor thin margin between the two teams and how competitive the games have been most years.

Iowa is one of the best teams in the country when it comes to winning those tight ugly games. 5 of the 8 matchups have been one score games and unfortunately those tend to be the games Iowa finds a way to win.....and not just against us.