How can the Gophers reduce their TURNOVERS?

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At this point in the season, we pretty much are who we are. John Stockton's not walking through the door. The turnover buggaboo is our biggest weakness. In our 3 losses, we've averaged 17 turnovers a game. Some of the problems are related to Andre not being a "true" PG who was born and bred to play the position. But it's not just Dre...The problem is widesspread from the starters right down to the 12th man.

So, how can Tubby get the Gophers to improve this weakness and still get the most out of this team?

Tubby can't start benching players because we'd be down to Kendell Shell in about 10 minutes of action. This problem is deep and widespread. So, how does Tubby improve things?

I think it starts in practice and I think it has to be harped on daily, hourly, every 15 minutes...Every possession. I think Tubby has to start holding players accountable in practice. The culture MUST change. I'm making an assumption now, but I think its pretty clear that Tubby hasn't addressed this enough in the first 3 months of the season.
 

In my elementary school basketball program we had to point at whoever we were about to pass to.

I think that would help.
 

Give them all a basketball to dribble at all times and don't let anyone take it away. A lot of turnover woes comes from the fact that our offense is pretty bad and ends in someone forcing it - Joe or Rodney and getting stripped of the ball by 3 people closing in on them. IF Austin didn't go off in that game we would have been blown out on our home court.
 

"How can the Gophers reduce their TURNOVERS?"

Ask all GopherHolers to come to Williams Arena for practice so we could show them how it's done.
 

I guess first you have to classify the cause of our turnovers.

What is the biggest problem?
 


We average 15 tpg for the year, so those 2 extra turnovers don't explain the loss. One thing is that lots of players are below average ball handlers for their positions. Andre, Austin, Coleman. Rodney and Trevor are probably average for a 4 and 5 spot. Another issues especially with Coleman and Rodney is driving when you are given the shot. We rebound almost 50% of our misses. I'd rather see them shoot a wide open 20+ shot then force things against a set defense. We also commit lots of turnovers passing in the lane. We throw the post pass to the side the defender is on and he deflects it. Or we get to the rim on a drive and try to pass it. EE did this last night. He was 10 inches from the rim and still tried to pass it to trevor.

Moses87 said:
At this point in the season, we pretty much are who we are. John Stockton's not walking through the door. The turnover buggaboo is our biggest weakness. In our 3 losses, we've averaged 17 turnovers a game. Some of the problems are related to Andre not being a "true" PG who was born and bred to play the position. But it's not just Dre...The problem is widesspread from the starters right down to the 12th man.
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Moses87 said:
At this point in the season, we pretty much are who we are. John Stockton's not walking through the door. The turnover buggaboo is our biggest weakness. In our 3 losses, we've averaged 17 turnovers a game. Some of the problems are related to Andre not being a "true" PG who was born and bred to play the position. But it's not just Dre...The problem is widesspread from the starters right down to the 12th man.

So, how can Tubby get the Gophers to improve this weakness and still get the most out of this team?

Tubby can't start benching players because we'd be down to Kendell Shell in about 10 minutes of action. This problem is deep and widespread. So, how does Tubby improve things?

I think it starts in practice and I think it has to be harped on daily, hourly, every 15 minutes...Every possession. I think Tubby has to start holding players accountable in practice. The culture MUST change. I'm making an assumption now, but I think its pretty clear that Tubby hasn't addressed this enough in the first 3 months of the season.
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It's funny cause he talks about it all the time, so I'm not so sure he hasn't addressed it enough, or if it's like you say holding them accountable more. Maybe it takes a loss like this for reality to set in and bring more focus in that aspect since IMO that was the single biggest problem that truly cost us both those games. But it's not like we're stocked with elite level ball handlers here, it may just be one of those things we suck at. I think it's been shown though that it's not something that can prevent us from winning a ton of games and making a little noise in the tournament. They just need to avoid the streaks they'll go in where they just can't hold onto the ball for like minutes at a time it feels like.
 

Part of the answer is to be more aware of where the opposition is on the floor. Guys seem to get pick pocketed by defenders they didn't realize were in the neighborhood. Another part is to not overcomplicate things by making unnecessary passes in traffic or by trying overly flashy moves when simple might do.
 

It appears the biggest problem is collectively the team as a whole has a low basketball IQ. Doesn't matter which players are on the court together. Dumb plays are made all over the place.
 



Dr.Don said:
"How can the Gophers reduce their TURNOVERS?"

Ask all GopherHolers to come to Williams Arena for practice so we could show them how it's done.
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I'd limit it to people that pay to see the games.
 

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John Stockton has the 2nd-most turnovers in NBA history.
 




Gold Vision said:
John Stockton played in 1,504 NBA games and has the most assists in NBA history by far.
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Also true. But it seems bizarre to reference him in the context of trying to reduce turnovers. It'd be like starting a thread talking about how our QB throws too many INTs and saying "Brett Favre's not walking through that door".
 

dpodoll68 said:
Also true. But it seems bizarre to reference him in the context of trying to reduce turnovers. It'd be like starting a thread talking about how our QB throws too many INTs and saying "Brett Favre's not walking through that door".
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Well played.
 

dpodoll68 said:
Also true. But it seems bizarre to reference him in the context of trying to reduce turnovers. It'd be like starting a thread talking about how our QB throws too many INTs and saying "Brett Favre's not walking through that door".
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NM, my numbers are kind of off. I still think Stockton's a solid PG to model after though :)
 

have more than 1 competent ball handler on your roster (dre is all we have)
 

Let Austin handle the ball more. He's the only player on the roster in the top 500 in turnover avoidance.
 

dpodoll68 said:
Also true. But it seems bizarre to reference him in the context of trying to reduce turnovers. It'd be like starting a thread talking about how our QB throws too many INTs and saying "Brett Favre's not walking through that door".
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He also probably attempted the most passes in NBA history making it more likely that he would also have the most turnovers.

Per ESPN: Stockton averaged (career) 10.5 assists per game and 2.8 turnovers = 3.75 assist/turnover ratio - BTW better than Magic, he averaged 11.2 Assists and 3.9 turnovers = 2.87 Assist to turnover ration!!

IMO Stockton is as good as any to offer advice.
 




Dr.Don said:
So the guy catching the pass was ready for it and the ball would not bonk him in the nose.
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I think it would be better to force everyone without the ball on offense to have their hands up in a catching position at all times.
 

I think there were two main causes of turnovers. First, our halfcourt offense is an absolute gong show. As mentioned earlier on this thread, we get stuck in the half court and end up having to/trying to force something. Second, it is focus. More than a few turnovers this year have been stupid, lazy passes. There was one pass that Mav halfheartedly lobbed a pass on top of the key that got picked off and lead to two Michigan points that I think was a perfect example of this problem. I would say about 25% of the crowd could have ran on to the court from their seats and intercepted the ball before it got to its target. It seems like in wins and losses alike, our team is susceptible to more big runs by the opponent more so than other teams, and in those stretches, everyone seems to simultaneously lose focus.
 

From the Barn said:
Let Austin handle the ball more. He's the only player on the roster in the top 500 in turnover avoidance.
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But then who would come off screens and hit 3's? He can't do it all....We need his 3 point shooting too much to ask him to handle the ball more. Interesting that a coach's son leads us in turnover avoidance, though. Nice find.
 

brucekaupa said:
I'd limit it to people that pay to see the games.
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I would go with that, on one condition...that being the only people who can post on GopherHole are those that donate to the Site. (Hint Hint)
 

Dr.Don said:
So the guy catching the pass was ready for it and the ball would not bonk him in the nose.
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Don when you played did the guy catch the pass, turn and take his underhand set shot toward a peach basket?
 



Moses87 said:
At this point in the season, we pretty much are who we are. John Stockton's not walking through the door. The turnover buggaboo is our biggest weakness. In our 3 losses, we've averaged 17 turnovers a game. Some of the problems are related to Andre not being a "true" PG who was born and bred to play the position. But it's not just Dre...The problem is widesspread from the starters right down to the 12th man.

So, how can Tubby get the Gophers to improve this weakness and still get the most out of this team?

Tubby can't start benching players because we'd be down to Kendell Shell in about 10 minutes of action. This problem is deep and widespread. So, how does Tubby improve things?

I think it starts in practice and I think it has to be harped on daily, hourly, every 15 minutes...Every possession. I think Tubby has to start holding players accountable in practice. The culture MUST change. I'm making an assumption now, but I think its pretty clear that Tubby hasn't addressed this enough in the first 3 months of the season.
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John Wooden said it best.

“Be quick, but don't hurry.”
 

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