History, Expectations and Patience

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dpodoll68 said:
We beat 3 bowl teams this year. Care to guess the last time that's happened?

2005.

Wanna know the last time before that when it happened (at least by modern bowl standards)?

1977.
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Umm... We beat 4 bowl teams in 2003 (Tulsa, Northwestern, Wisconsin & Oregon)

Check your facts next time :) (since you LOVE to correct others so much)
 

Go Gophers Rah said:
Umm... We beat 4 bowl teams in 2003 (Tulsa, Northwestern, Wisconsin & Oregon)

Check your facts next time :) (since you LOVE to correct others so much)
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I was speaking regarding the regular season. But you are right, we did beat 3 bowl teams during the regular season that year. My mistake.

The point still stands. This is only the 3rd time we've done that in 32 years.
 

dpodoll,
Despite my picking on you, you make a very good point.

Mason's W-L record over nonwinning programs made his overall record look a lot better than it really was.
In his 1st 3 years, Mason's teams only beat 3 Division 1-A teams with a .500 or better record (of course one of them had a #2 ranking).
In Brewster's 1st 3 years, his teams have beat 5 FBS teams with a .500 or better record and will have a shot at a 6th in December.

The more I really look at Brewster's numbers, the more I conclude that he is doing a fair job and deserves more time. What he really needs is a "signature win" and/or a trophy game win. A bowl victory would also be good.
 

"What he really needs is a "signature win" and/or a trophy game win. A bowl victory would also be good."

This.

All the stats about wins over bowl-eligible teams (6-6 gets you into a bowl) are meaningless unless you're reaching for anything that makes Brewster look like he's got the program on the right track.

I think Brewster's plan is sound: Improve recruiting and bring in more talent. I just don't think he can execute it. He's not a talented head football coach. He won't be able to maximize the talent he brings in. That's the problem. 3 years as a HC here and he's still a very poor gameday coach.
 

I believe there should be two standards at the U:

Years 1-4
- No significant backsliding
- Average 6 wins a year
- Average 3 B10 wins a year

Beyond year 4
- Average 8 wins a year
- Average 5 B10 wins a year

The second standard is consistent with Iowa and Wisconsin, and assumes you'll win 7 conference games and have a shot at the title perhaps once every five years.
 


badgergopher said:
I believe there should be two standards at the U:

Years 1-4
- No significant backsliding
- Average 6 wins a year
- Average 3 B10 wins a year

Beyond year 4
- Average 8 wins a year
- Average 5 B10 wins a year

The second standard is consistent with Iowa and Wisconsin, and assumes you'll win 7 conference games and have a shot at the title perhaps once every five years.
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Yep, this is about where I'm at. +1
 

I think over the previous twenty seasons our average big ten wins were 2.9

Mason's were 3.2

It's a building phase. The only thing that matters is whether the program is moving in the right direction. Some metrics say yes such as recruiting, some are neutral such as this win comparison, some are negative such as offensive stats. You need to look at the whole picture. The least important in a building phase are stats, escpecially in the early part. The most important is recruiting. Once the program is established, wins and losses become the most important factor. Thus Masons results weren't good enough for him to keep his job, while Brewster having the same results has little meaning in the analysis.
 

I don't think the win/loss record is that bad under Brewster. The current year was about what was expected. What was not expected was the level of play of the offense. That is what has turned most people against Brewster. The same record with an offense that competes and you would not be getting these complaints.
 

Again stats are meaningless in this phase of the rebuilding process. unpleasant and no fun, yeah you bet.
 



dpodoll68 said:
I was speaking regarding the regular season. But you are right, we did beat 3 bowl teams during the regular season that year. My mistake.

The point still stands. This is only the 3rd time we've done that in 32 years.
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It's a nice stat but how many bowls were there in the 1970s and how many are there today? 35? 40? Beating teams with a winning record might be a more accurate gauge from decades past considering you don't even need a winning record to get in a bowl these days.
 

MNCH said:
It's a nice stat but how many bowls were there in the 1970s and how many are there today? 35? 40? Beating teams with a winning record might be a more accurate gauge from decades past considering you don't even need a winning record to get in a bowl these days.
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Like I said earlier, by modern standards. I didn't look up whether those teams actually went to a bowl or not. So, most accurately, it would be stated "beating 3 teams who finished the regular season 6-6 or better."

And it goes 2009, 2005, 2003...1977.

Do the research yourself if you don't believe me.
 

dpodoll68 said:
Like I said earlier, by modern standards. I didn't look up whether those teams actually went to a bowl or not. So, most accurately, it would be stated "beating 3 teams who finished the regular season 6-6 or better."

And it goes 2009, 2005, 2003...1977.

Do the research yourself if you don't believe me.
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I'm not doubting any of your information. My post was to point out the fact at very average teams today make bowl games and the term "bowl-bound team" isn't quite as impressive as it once was.
 

dpodoll68 said:
We beat 3 bowl teams this year. Care to guess the last time that's happened?
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Anyone that beat Minnesota in 1987 (6-5, 3-5), 1989 (6-5, 4-4) and 1990 (6-5, 5-3) wouldn't get credit for beating a bowl team.
 



Maximus said:
Anyone that beat Minnesota in 1987 (6-5, 3-5), 1989 (6-5, 4-4) and 1990 (6-5, 5-3) wouldn't get credit for beating a bowl team.
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To add, in his 7-year tenure, Cal Stoll took the Gophers to one bowl game (1977, 7-5, 4-4). Yet he had seasons of (7-4, 6-2), (6-5, 3-5) and (6-5, 4-4) when he did NOT make a bowl. Can you imagine going 6-2 in the Big 10 and not making a bowl?
 

Maximus said:
Anyone that beat Minnesota in 1987 (6-5, 3-5), 1989 (6-5, 4-4) and 1990 (6-5, 5-3) wouldn't get credit for beating a bowl team.
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Jiminy Christmas.

Like I've already said (twice now), BY MODERN STANDARDS.

And I've already amended it to say, "teams who finished the regular season 6-6 or better". Either way, the point remains the same.

Do I need to photoshop a huge glowing neon sign and post it here in order for you to get it?
 

Given the Gophers 6 National Championships, I think University of Minnesota Golden Gophers head football coach Tim Brewster is underachieving. With that tradition, the Gophers should be in a BCS bowl every second or third year.
 

GVBadger said:
Given the Gophers 6 National Championships, I think University of Minnesota Golden Gophers head football coach Tim Brewster is underachieving. With that tradition, the Gophers should be in a BCS bowl every second or third year.
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The Gophers are underachieving, the badgers are over achieving. Brewsters here to change our situation, belima is there to change yours. :clap:
 

Schnoodler said:
The Gophers are underachieving, the badgers are over achieving. Brewsters here to change our situation, belima is there to change yours. :clap:
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"Good night everybody; be sure and tip your waitress!" :)

No don't tell me that you and GVB didn't work that out!:cool:
 

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