Has Punky lost his touch?

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I see the Gophers have the 44th rated recruiting class according to Rivals. Is that what you were looking for when Punky was brought in?

Or, have you finally figured out that recruiting rankings don't matter.
 

GVBadger said:
I see the Gophers have the 44th rated recruiting class according to Rivals. Is that what you were looking for when Punky was brought in?

Or, have you finally figured out that recruiting rankings don't matter.
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To answer you're question: I have no idea if Brewster has lost his touch.

A better question is if there is anything else your infinite level of Badger supported wisdom can give to us Gopher peasants....:rolleyes:
 

Maybe Bo and Brewster had the same Peanut Butter crackers.
 

It's not that rankings don't matter, it is that they can be overrated or misleading. Over a period of years rankings are a reflection of talent coming in to the program and they matter. But in any given year you have to look closer at the class to determine the underlying quality.

This is a smaller class than 2008 which hurts it in the class rankings. Rivals uses only the top 22 players when calculating the class ranking so it cut off the bottom of our class last year and we don't have that number this year which puts the class at a disadvantage. If you take the average RR (5.63) of the players in this class it is ranked higher than the average RR in the last class (5.58). Despite giving recruits both an RR and a star rating, the class rankings focus on the less precise measure (stars) and that was favorable to last year's class and unfavorable to this year's class.

The last month was tough because we were in on a 5* recruit (Richardson), a host of 4* recruits (Carter, Lewan, McNeal) and a couple 3* recruits (Edwards, Egaue) that we finished 2nd or 3rd for and we also had a 4* commit and not gain admittance to school (Paige). When the Gophers rescinded the offer to Paige and he fell off the commitment list we actually moved from 30 or 31 to 40 which demonstrates how sensitive the rankings are and how close #23 is to #44. Maybe finishing 2nd on those recruits is a sign that Brewster lost his magic touch but we don't know that yet and I have a hard time believing you can lose that skill over night. The class could be better but I'm not worried about the direction of the program or our recruiting.

I realize with Paige's decommitment that we moved behind Wisconsin in the rankings but I personally like our class more. Our 3 star players are rated higher than Wisconsin's and many of our 3* players narrowly missed being 4* players. (Hageman is the highest ranked 3* TE, Alipate is the 2nd highest ranked 3* QB, Garin is the 3rd highest ranked 3* DE, Lewis is the 4th highest ranked 3* CB, Greghory-McGhee is the 7th highest ranked 3* ATH). The rankings only look at 4 star vs. 3 star but if a few of those received a 4th star the class ranking would be very different with no change to the players in the class.

While clearly being lower ranked than 2008, this class still has a lot of quality within it. When you compare it to the 11 or 12 seniors that are leaving with only 3 starters among them the talent level of the program is still being raised.
 

I don't know if he has lost his touch but the sales pitch will only work for a year or two if you cannot follow it up with wins. At the end of the day these star athletes want to win and they want to play in BCS/new years day bowl games. The overall talent level of the program may be raising but if your big ten rivals who already had a talent advantage on us are raising at the same level then we are not really gaining any ground on them.
 


GVBadger said:
I see the Gophers have the 44th rated recruiting class according to Rivals. Is that what you were looking for when Punky was brought in?

Or, have you finally figured out that recruiting rankings don't matter.
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Nope, hasn't lost his touch. If you'll notice, the rankings are affected by quantity AND quality. Quality is still there (averaging 3 stars) but he has less scholarships to give this year. And dont' forget, next year's class will be bolstered by Badger transfer Kim Royston as well as ND transfer Matt Carufel and 3 of last year's who didn't make it due to medical and academic reasons.

Brewster's touch is just fine.
 

We only have 18 commits so far because we don't have a lot of scholarships to offer. There are a lot of teams with 22+ commits, even though we have a higher "star average."

We don't have a lot of "stud" recruits right now but overall it is very solid across the board if you ask me.
 

The intricacies of astrology and navel gazing. Such an exact science.
 

Forget the BS - GVBadger, don't worry about us, we'll be just fine. You've got your own problems in Mad-town.
 



grunkiejr said:
While clearly being lower ranked than 2008, this class still has a lot of quality within it. When you compare it to the 11 or 12 seniors that are leaving with only 3 starters among them the talent level of the program is still being raised.
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Thanks, Grunkiejr. Nicely said, and thanks for laying out how the rankings work.
 

NC 2 MN said:
Thanks, Grunkiejr. Nicely said, and thanks for laying out how the rankings work.
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It really comes back to focusing on getting high end players (the rating services reward you) vs. depth. Given our problems in 2007, we needed recruits in the 2008 class that could start from day 1 so we got guys like Green, Simmons, Brock, Lawrence, etc. In 2009 we are only losing 3 starters and the overall team was much better so we don't have as many holes that need to be filled immediately (P, OL, deep threat WR, Nickel back?, and maybe another TE that is capable of starting). However, if you look at 2010 we lose a lot of seniors so we need to recruit a lot players that will compete with the 2008 class for starting spots in 2010. To accompolish that we still went after some 4* & 5* guys but the focus was recruiting a deep class that will provide depth next year and can win some starting spots in 2010. This class definitely accomplished that goal.

When I look at the team and this class, the two JuCo transfers (Hayo Carpenter and Jeff Wills) and the punter (Orseske) are the only players that are going to be counted on to produce next season. If anybody else in the class contributes from day one then we either suffered injuries or somebody was really good and we'll be that much better. Otherwise, we add a capable back up at virtually every position and we have been sorely lacking for depth for years.
 

GVBadger said:
I see the Gophers have the 44th rated recruiting class according to Rivals. Is that what you were looking for when Punky was brought in?

Or, have you finally figured out that recruiting rankings don't matter.
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Where have you been? We've missed you so much!

Thanks for taking some time out of your busy schedule of whining about technicals on Bo and screaming that every ref is suddenly out to get UW to come back and troll. Any more guarantees you want to drop and us before you run and hide again? Bring on the knowledge.

I see that now you think you are a football expert, too. How cute.

Let's talk about more important topics related to Wisconsin. What kind of new arrangements does the Badger marching band have in store this year? Any new dances or chants? How about some new methods of improper hazing for the 200 lb coeds on the bus to road games? I'm so excited to see the new tubas!!11!!
 

TCF=UnitedWeStand said:
Forget the BS - GVBadger, don't worry about us, we'll be just fine. You've got your own problems in Mad-town.
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That is right. They need to worry about themselves first.

I suppose GVBadger just wanted to post this today because if we get Wingo this will change and they wouldn't be able to say it.
 



Looks as if Wisky(41) and the Gophers(45) will be battling it out to see who gets the #6 Rivals ranking. Neither team is making much hay compared to OSU (1), Michigan(6), MSU(14), PSU(24) & Illini(30).

But no one will really know how well these classes will be for at least two or three years.

The Gophers need to look better on the field in 08 or getting more talent on the road to Minnesota will be that much more difficult.
 

GVBadger said:
I see the Gophers have the 44th rated recruiting class according to Rivals. Is that what you were looking for when Punky was brought in?

Or, have you finally figured out that recruiting rankings don't matter.
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I would point out that Minnesota dropped over 400 points in Rivals' rankings when Taikwon Paige decommitted. That's right- Rivals assigned a value of over 400 points to a prep school kid who cannot qualify academically in the Big Ten. I think that speaks for itself.
 

Handsome Pete said:
I would point out that Minnesota dropped over 400 points in Rivals' rankings when Taikwon Paige decommitted. That's right- Rivals assigned a value of over 400 points to a prep school kid who cannot qualify academically in the Big Ten. I think that speaks for itself.
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Since when does Rivals care about, nor should they about academics.
 

Don't call him Punky!!!!!!!!!!This infuriates us. Oh, you Badgers and Hawkeyes will soon pay...
 

GVBadger...what happened? why the nastiness? Get back to being cool.

I'll buy you a cold one at the VB down on Glenway and MP.
 

GV ... Coach Brew hasn't lost his touch at all. Just ask your girlfriend!

Bring it on cheddar head.
 

That was a very well thought out response by grunkiejr and it is exactly why the ratings are so flawed. I certainly think the Gophers class is one of the deepest in memory and will probably be very good. The fact that it is rated 44 means absolutely nothing. People get far to hung up on the numbers. I just wanted to see if anyone was paying attention. The Badgers actually have their best class in years as well. Never know until they step on the field, but we are bringing in some very good players.

And by the way, just like Bielema, Punky brings most of the rips on himself. He just can't help it.

Some of you really need to lighten up. I was a Gopher for most of my youth, then I wised up.

How many of you can say that you watched Kent Kitzmann rush for 266 yards in 1977? It was the day after a blizzard also. I froze my ass off.

Carry on Punky. Bring the Gophers to the promised land!!!

See you at the barn soon. The place where the Gophers have never committed a foul. I will be the one in red.:)
 

Asking this question of Brew is like asking Bret B. if he has forgot where the bar is! ;)
 

what grunkiejr said!

I think a few people are getting a little too caught up in Rivals rankings, and whatever complicated kind of formula they may use. If you look strictly at who we have commited, and their own individual ratings, I think you'll see that this class is about on par with last year. Yes, last year we did have more 4* star-power type of recruits, but we also had several 2* lower rated guys that we do not have as many of this year. Instead, people just choose to see that we're ranked #44 and go and hit the panic button.

Like grunkiejr said, several of our 3* recruits are very close to being 4*'s, and if you move just two of those up from a 5.7 to a 5.8, then our team ranking goes way up. It just shows you that this system isn't perfect, and it's nothing worth getting worked up over.
 

cduff said:
what grunkiejr said!

I think a few people are getting a little too caught up in Rivals rankings, and whatever complicated kind of formula they may use. If you look strictly at who we have commited, and their own individual ratings, I think you'll see that this class is about on par with last year. Yes, last year we did have more 4* star-power type of recruits, but we also had several 2* lower rated guys that we do not have as many of this year. Instead, people just choose to see that we're ranked #44 and go and hit the panic button.

Like grunkiejr said, several of our 3* recruits are very close to being 4*'s, and if you move just two of those up from a 5.7 to a 5.8, then our team ranking goes way up. It just shows you that this system isn't perfect, and it's nothing worth getting worked up over.
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Tell it to Brewster, he is the one who has hung his hat on his recruiting rankings from day one.
 

Those same people that think our recruiting has lost it's "touch" should go to that same site where they are seeing a #44 class and look back to 2003-2006 and see what type of classes were coming here with Mason. A Mason type class this year and we're ranked in the 60-80 range...Now that's fantastic.
 

GVBadger said:
That was a very well thought out response by grunkiejr and it is exactly why the ratings are so flawed. I certainly think the Gophers class is one of the deepest in memory and will probably be very good. The fact that it is rated 44 means absolutely nothing. People get far to hung up on the numbers. I just wanted to see if anyone was paying attention. The Badgers actually have their best class in years as well. Never know until they step on the field, but we are bringing in some very good players.

And by the way, just like Bielema, Punky brings most of the rips on himself. He just can't help it.

Some of you really need to lighten up. I was a Gopher for most of my youth, then I wised up.

How many of you can say that you watched Kent Kitzmann rush for 266 yards in 1977? It was the day after a blizzard also. I froze my ass off.

Carry on Punky. Bring the Gophers to the promised land!!!

See you at the barn soon. The place where the Gophers have never committed a foul. I will be the one in red.:)
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Perhaps you should wisen up again and not start a post with the clear intention of flaming, and then complain that people are responding in kind.
 

FiveStarFan said:
Those same people that think our recruiting has lost it's "touch" should go to that same site where they are seeing a #44 class and look back to 2003-2006 and see what type of classes were coming here with Mason. A Mason type class this year and we're ranked in the 60-80 range...Now that's fantastic.
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it doesn't matter what the class is ranked if you are still not gaining ground on the other teams in the conference or in the case of Michigan State are being leap-frogged by them.
 

GVBadger said:
How many of you can say that you watched Kent Kitzmann rush for 266 yards in 1977? It was the day after a blizzard also. I froze my ass off.

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This is picky: Didn;t Kitzmann run for 266 at Illinois? I don't recall a blizzard before that game in Champaign.
 

denguegopher said:
This is picky: Didn;t Kitzmann run for 266 at Illinois? I don't recall a blizzard before that game in Champaign.
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Ok, that ruined a really good story. But I was at a game when a running back had a huge day after a blizzard in the 70's and now I have to go find it. Damn.:mad:
 

Iowa is ranked #66, do you think they are saying this about Ferentz? No
 


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